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County Police Chief Recommends Arming School Personnel
CBS St. Louis ^ | December 17, 2012

Posted on 12/17/2012 10:05:19 AM PST by grundle

ST. LOUIS COUNTY (KMOX) - St. Louis County Police Chief Tim Fitch says it is time to talk about arming civilian school personnel following Friday’s massacre in Newtown, Connecticut, comparing it to arming airline pilots after September 11, 2001.

“I see it no differently,” he said. “Pilots have been armed now for many many years, we’ve not had another hijacking and the issue is, for the bad guy, he doesn’t know which airplane he’s getting on, if the pilot is armed or not.”

Fitch said the killing will not be stopped by legislation or laws. “If there’s somebody that’s really hellbent on doing something like this, they’re not going to care what the law is.”

The chief is adamant about his plans but realizes his calls for arming school workers will be met with resistance.

“We touched on this issue with heroin problem with schools. When we first were talking about the heroin problem in St. Louis, many of the school officials ran and they just hid out, they said ‘nope, we don’t have a heroin problem in our schools,’” Fitch said.

“They started to find out some of the students were involved in this and some of the students were dying of heroin overdoses. It forced them to have this discussion and to take action, inviting us into their schools to talk about the heroin problem in St. Louis.”

Concerning the possibility of gun control, Fitch said “it’s just not going to happen,” and called for an increased focus on mental health instead.

“One of the first thing governments tend to cut back on in tight times are mental health services,” he said. “We know this individual has a mental health history in Connecticut, we’ve seen that in all the school shootings, and additional resources would be helpful.

But, last resort, somebody’s got to take action and they got to do it quickly.”


TOPICS: Front Page News; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: 2012; armedcitizen; banglist; gunfreezone; newtown; publicschools; sandyhook; schools

1 posted on 12/17/2012 10:05:31 AM PST by grundle
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To: grundle

leftists call for his firing in ...3,2,1


2 posted on 12/17/2012 10:06:58 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: grundle

Sensible people, actually trying to resolve a problem.

Not gleeful reporters and politicians using a tragedy to disarm us all first of our defenses, then of our liberty.


3 posted on 12/17/2012 10:08:55 AM PST by cotton1706
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To: grundle

Chief Fitch - thank God - is bucking St. Louis County’s political currents. I can guarantee you that his proposal will be greeted with fear and loathing by the elected official class (heavily Democrat, obsessed with “the rights of the transgendered and/or ‘questioning” hermaphrodites’; making it impossible for non-union companies to get government work; hiring as many black women as possible, etc.) Kudos to Tim Fitch. (This guy likes to think out of the box, as a general rule. After a recent spate of pizza delivery driver murders, he deployed a team of County Cops to work undercover as delivery men in the most-dangerous areas of St. Louis County. So far, no more murders.)


4 posted on 12/17/2012 10:18:04 AM PST by Basil Duke
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To: Basil Duke

Most line police officers and some admins are very pro 2nd. It is the arse-kissing, political, promotion seeking, Peter Principle lackies that spout gun control nonsense. Sadly most of those are Chiefs of Police, metro-area Sheriffs, and Fed agency directors because turds float.


5 posted on 12/17/2012 10:23:59 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: grundle

” St. Louis County Police Chief Tim Fitch says it is time to talk about arming civilian school personnel”

I just fell off my chair! Wow an intelligent solution coming from St Louis county.


6 posted on 12/17/2012 10:24:24 AM PST by foundedonpurpose (It's time for a fundamental restoration, of our country's principles!)
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To: grundle

I would sure vote in favor of that!

http://tinyurl.com/cnv2sbo


7 posted on 12/17/2012 10:28:48 AM PST by basil (Second Amendment Sisters.org)
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To: grundle

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ISRAEL TODAY



8 posted on 12/17/2012 10:29:47 AM PST by EdReform (Oath Keepers - Guardians of the Republic - Honor your oath - Join us: www.oathkeepers.org)
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To: grundle
Anyone remember about 40 years ago when it was thought that a chromosome component was causing these psycho problems?

I remember it was xxy or xyx or something like that which was dominant in skitzos at the time. They were bragging about how they could release people they did not consider a threat back into the general public.

9 posted on 12/17/2012 10:32:36 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Reopen the mental institutions! Damn the ACLU!)
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To: grundle

Guns isn’t the problem. LACK OF DISCIPLINE OF CHILDREN of the sort only MEN/FATHER FIGURES can provide, is the problem. No dads at home, no father figures in the schools, no father figures in daycare. Children need to have a respect and fear of adult authority, fear of God; DISCIPLINE, personal responsibility, self-respect NOT narcissism, etc.. DISCIPLINE children at a young age or it’s counter-productive. Disciplining them too late in life brings retaliation. Gotta start’em YOUNG. I had a teacher (female) in the 5th grade, who, if you didn’t say ‘excuse me’ when you walked by her SHE WOULD HOLD YOU IN DETENTION AFTER CLASS. We need to get BACK to that. Oddly, I respected her and she was the best teacher I ever had!


10 posted on 12/17/2012 10:43:41 AM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: grundle; xzins

Why don’t they make every public school a police station sub station and man it with one or two armed police officers? Just kick out one of the administrators and give the office to the police?

Also they have armed guards at banks to protect the money, but no armed guards at schools to protect our children.


11 posted on 12/17/2012 10:49:10 AM PST by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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To: grundle

Fitch is 100% right where the focus should be.
This is heartening news in light of where you just KNOW
this Administration is going to want to take the Newtown
tragedy.
I’d like to see trained LE professionals assigned to schools, ALL of them, not in police uniforms, but ARMED, and ready to serve
and protect. Unfortunately , this might begin to happen, in ADDITION to a new anti-gun mentality and intimidating gun-grabber laws, so it will muddy the issue, and Obama and his
team can claim credit for no more school shootings 2 or 3 years from now.See how it works?


12 posted on 12/17/2012 10:52:48 AM PST by supremedoctrine
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To: grundle

We already have Air Marshals...

Develop a School Marshal program for the school system.

Problem solved.


13 posted on 12/17/2012 10:56:56 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Resolute Conservative

From what I’ve seen of him (and as his stance on this issue indicates), Fitch appears to be a different animal. Every chief has to politick to a certain degree, but this fellow isn’t bashful about talking bluntly about problems and moving quickly to solve them. A couple of weeks ago, in response to a rash of broad daylight car burglaries - wherein windows were smashed and recently purchased presents were stolen - Fitch admonished the scolds who more or less blamed the car owners. “I think someone who wants to keep his property in his car in a public parking lot at 2 in the afternoon, should be able to do so. We SHOULD be focused on the criminals who’re doing the stealing.” And he then implemented a program of leaving gift-stuffed ‘bait’ cars in mall lots throughout the county. As an aside, he currently has a son serving in combat in Afghanistan.


14 posted on 12/17/2012 10:59:52 AM PST by Basil Duke
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To: supremedoctrine

Use National Guardsmen, either uniformed or plain clothes, on a rotating monthly basis. Two per school, front and back.

If plainclothes, nobody would even know they’re there until needed. Just another Teacher’s Aide.

Hell, screw that - they’re ARMED SECURITY to protect children, period.


15 posted on 12/17/2012 11:00:44 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: grundle

Nobody has to take action.

26 people out of 311,000,000 died.

Over 30,000 people die in auto accidents every year.

About 13,000 are murdered, including those being robbed, raped, etc.

About 3,000 actually die as a result of an argument.

The most dangerous place to be is in your car.

And even that has been making fantastic improvements.

The vehicular death rate is about 3 times better today than when it was at it’s worst, before WWII.

If fathers were not taken away in handcuffs for spanking their sons, this type of tragedy would happen EVEN LESS THAN IT DOES.


16 posted on 12/17/2012 11:04:33 AM PST by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: P-Marlowe; grundle

It isn’t hard to train someone to be proficient with a weapon. The military does it on a daily basis with thousands of young Americans.

A school teacher is an employee of the state, the same as the highway patrol, and I see no reason that part of the requirement for a teacher license should not be a requirement to attend relevant portions of that state patrol class.

In that scenario, every teacher is a trained guard.

And students won’t sass back so easily. :>)


17 posted on 12/17/2012 11:11:23 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

You are probably thinking about the Xyy men.

The link below is a fascinating article published earlier this month:

http://blogs.plos.org/dnascience/2012/12/06/xyy-men/

There have been rumors for decades that the CIA, KGB, MI6 and similiar agencies recruited Xyy guys to be their “licensed” to kill guys.


18 posted on 12/17/2012 11:14:50 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Tagline space for rent to pay for some of my extra taxes the next 4 years!)
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To: grundle

Been saying it since Columbine...the answer is mandatory carry by teachers. Make it a job requirement...training and mandatory carry.


19 posted on 12/17/2012 11:19:20 AM PST by 6ppc (It's torch and pitchfork time)
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To: EdReform

Hi old Friend:

Your photo below rang a few bells for me. We know this woman now in her 60’s, who is a progressive liberal jino.

After she finished college with a teaching certificate, she volunteered to go to Israel for a year to work. Her mother had done the same thing as a nurse.

This woman came back a lot sooner than she expected. The Israeli government assigned her to be a teacher’s asst or substitute teacher if needed in a rural town and school.

When they told her she had to be qualified to shoot a pistol if needed in class or a rifle outside if she was on recess duty, she refused and ask to be sent home.


20 posted on 12/17/2012 11:21:37 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Tagline space for rent to pay for some of my extra taxes the next 4 years!)
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To: grundle

Public school teachers are by design or wish completely irresponsible and incompetent. Asking them to learn how to shoot is out of the question for them. It already is out of the question for them to discipline school children, let alone protecting those they hate most to teach.

Also, I know of no Union infestated industry which promotes everyone as responsible for safety, quality and speed of production. This has to be handled by “specialists in the domain” who themselves have a special union “license” to promote their police powers over idiot leftists.

SO, there, in a nutshell, this is the mentality of the “government can be my nanny” mentality.

I don’t pay taxes so a cop can benefit a neighbor now and then. IT is not a free for all charity, but the elite loves that idea, and the poor and liberals think it is their salvation.’

GOod bye economy.


21 posted on 12/17/2012 11:23:35 AM PST by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: grundle
Parents need to ask themselves serious questions:

WHO is responsible for the safety of my child at school? Do they have the means to protect my child? Are they willing to go to extreme levels of violence to protect the children, as any parent rightfully would?

Most of the “precious” people have armed security - our leaders, celebrities, & sports stars. Aren't children precious?

Amusement parks have security guards. So do malls, banks, & airports. What precious things are they guarding, & why are they more precious than little children?

What is it about public schools, which contain some of the most precious, irreplaceable assets of this nation, that they should go unguarded?

When the subject of gun control comes up, reply, "That's fine, but what are we going to do to protect the children?" Keep asking it!

22 posted on 12/17/2012 11:24:16 AM PST by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: Grampa Dave

Man, my latest post just reflected your story. Feminist Unions are lazy by design and want the thug cop, they want the thug cop to do the deciding for them.


23 posted on 12/17/2012 11:26:29 AM PST by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: NFHale

Call your representatives in Congress and demand they modify the Gun-Free School Zones Act to allow school personnel and other lawful CCW holders to have firearms in the zones.

Do it for the children. Problem solved. Keep the feds out of the program other than modifying the law.


24 posted on 12/17/2012 11:35:36 AM PST by meatloaf (Support Senate S 1863 & House Bill 1380 to eliminate oil slavery.)
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To: grundle

Time to hold the putrid leftists responsible for these mass murders. Arrest the school administrators who set up these gun-free zones and charge them with murder.


25 posted on 12/17/2012 12:09:38 PM PST by sergeantdave (The FBI has declared war on the Marine Corps)
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To: TurboZamboni
-- leftists call for his firing in ...3,2,1 --

Yes. When the left clamors for a solution that is "void of political consideration," it means "their way, or the highway." When presented with a solution that will work, they reject it if the solution doesn't fit their political sense.

26 posted on 12/17/2012 12:12:56 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

1000% Agree


27 posted on 12/17/2012 12:51:47 PM PST by cdski34
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To: grundle
“If there’s somebody that’s really hellbent on doing something like this, they’re not going to care what the law is.”

This. The killer broke the law on murder, theft, possession of handguns without a pistol permit, weapons on school grounds and probably numerous other laws. If he didn't have access guns he would have found some other way to kill a bunch of kids.

28 posted on 12/17/2012 1:13:59 PM PST by matt04
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To: meatloaf

My rep is a liberal freak dem asshole, so that’s a non-starter.

“...Keep the feds out of the program...”

Understood...but my thoughts on it are thus; they force people to put the kids in school x number of hours, x number of days, then leave them at the mercy of whatever - it’s THEIR responsibility to make sure that place is inviolable.

Hell, even armed neighborhood volunteers would be a good start.

After 9-11-01, when the muzztrash were talking about hitting school buses and schools, the very FIRST thing that should have been done was arm folks up at the front and rear doors.

But we’re dealing with political psychos here who can’t WAIT for an event to happen...some might think it’s almost like they make these “gun-free zones” intentionally so something DOES happen and they have an excuse to enact more law... Some might think that...and do.


29 posted on 12/17/2012 2:21:41 PM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
They were bragging about how they could release people they did not consider a threat back into the general public.

Exactly! It was a huge LIBERAL effort to de-institutionalize all mental patients and to "mainstream" them. It is likely the prozac zombies who do so much of this horrible violence, as in Colorado-Columbine.

It makes the liberals feel really good about closing all those state hospitals where all these poor mental patients had been "warehoused".

A mass-murder here or there is just a bump in the road to them, and is the fault of, you guessed it - guns.

30 posted on 12/17/2012 2:31:49 PM PST by Huebolt (United Socialist States of Amerika. Thank you I.N.S. (Immigration - National Suicide))
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To: NFHale

Call them anyway. Spread the word. If nothing else you might get to see one of those 360 degree head spins.


31 posted on 12/17/2012 2:34:39 PM PST by meatloaf (Support Senate S 1863 & House Bill 1380 to eliminate oil slavery.)
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To: Grampa Dave

Good to see you, Dave! Hope all is well.

Great story - that is so typically liberal! May God save our children from this evil.


32 posted on 12/17/2012 3:44:59 PM PST by EdReform (Oath Keepers - Guardians of the Republic - Honor your oath - Join us: www.oathkeepers.org)
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