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Texas school (and others) have armed teachers, administrators, reject "gun free" attitudes
Fort Worth Star Telegram ^ | 12/14/2012 | Bill Miller

Posted on 12/17/2012 8:57:38 AM PST by rstrahan

David Thweatt, superintendent of the tiny Harrold school district in northwest Texas, believes his staff is ready. Besides special locks and security cameras, an undisclosed number of staff members and teachers carry concealed handguns. Thweatt said the "guardian plan," which drew international attention when it was implemented in 2008, definitely enhances student safety. "Is that 100 percent? No," Thweatt said Friday in a telephone interview. "Nothing is 100 percent. But what we do know is that we've done all we can to protect our children."

(Excerpt) Read more at star-telegram.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: 2012; banglist; guncontrol; gunfreezone; guns; publicschools; schoolshooting; secondamendment

1 posted on 12/17/2012 8:57:43 AM PST by rstrahan
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To: rstrahan

good.
I say ban high capacity gun-free zones.


2 posted on 12/17/2012 8:58:49 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: rstrahan

Damn right.


3 posted on 12/17/2012 8:59:23 AM PST by Albion Wilde (The only way to stop a man with a gun is with a gun. --Daniel Greenfield)
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To: rstrahan

” “Nothing is 100 percent. But what we do know is that we’ve done all we can to protect our children.””

No, he’s right, but I will bet you that no one ever even tries anything at one of his schools, because they know they are not likely to be successful.


4 posted on 12/17/2012 9:04:07 AM PST by vette6387
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To: rstrahan

In rural Texas schools, where the nearest sheriff’s department is half an hour or more away, superintendents have had access to their own fire arms for many years. That is just using common sense, a short commodity in many parts of this country.


5 posted on 12/17/2012 9:07:52 AM PST by txrefugee
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To: rstrahan
Amen!
6 posted on 12/17/2012 9:08:07 AM PST by harpu ( "...it's better to be hated for who you are than loved for someone you're not!")
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These shooters know that shooting up schools with provide a very high bodycount. The kids sit all day in tiny areas with no way out.....like shooting ducks in a barrel. They also know shooting kids gets biggest headlines. the younger the kids the better. They also learned a movie theatre is a good target because people are enclosed in a small area with no way out also.

I’m shocked that terrorists haven’t taken advantage of the flismy security at schools. a skinny ugly looking male was able to kill almost 30 people in a few minutes. Imagine what a 6 or 7 islamic terrorist with a well planned operation could accomplish? they could probably wipe out the whole school and they wouldn’t need any bombs.


7 posted on 12/17/2012 9:09:33 AM PST by snowstorm12
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To: TurboZamboni

Wanna play the Blame Game? Okeydokey.

“It was the NRA.” “It was them redneck, no-good gun owners.” etc, etc,etc. You guys had three days to spew your crap, now it is my turn.

In 1993, the Federal Law Gun-Free Schools Act of 1993 (HR.987 of the 103 Congress) was introduced by Rep. George Miller (still seated for CA) and stated that:

To amend the Elementary and Secondary Education Act of 1965 to require each State, as a condition of receiving Federal assistance under such Act, to implement a gun control program in its schools, and to establish a program of grants to local educational agencies for purposes of purchasing crime prevention equipment and training security personnel.

As with all things in Congress, the last part was promptly dissolved into nothingness as proven by the the actions or Mr. Lanza. And the law basically created a hunting preserve for the criminally insane when the states promptly followed suit and enacted their local versions of Gun Free Schools.
So the reason why your kids might be right now in a building which will provide no protections in case of a deranged killer is the “Honorable” George Miller.

http://gunfreezone.net/wordpress/index.php/2012/12/17/wanna-play-the-blame-game-okeydokey/


8 posted on 12/17/2012 9:10:36 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: snowstorm12

Don’t give them any ideas.

seriously.


9 posted on 12/17/2012 9:11:04 AM PST by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: Albion Wilde; All
This type of protection by school administrators and staff needs to happen across America!

And in the meantime we must focus on the fact that parents ALWAYS know if they have a child who is a danger to himself/herself. Many parents are in denial and do not seek help until too late. AND when and if they DO seek help, there is very little help available to them through mental health coverage.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2969384/posts

10 posted on 12/17/2012 9:11:04 AM PST by seekthetruth (I want a Commander In Chief who honors and supports our Military!)
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To: rstrahan
How about banning government schools . where the heck did the idea come from that it is the responsibility of government to educate our kids, keep us safe etc. Ok carry a government bureaucrat with you liberals to protect and educate you morons.

The media makes mass shooters household names in order so that more shooters will do it. Then the media can call for the taking away of more of our individual rights ( gun rights).

They want to take away our right to educate and defend our families with our own guns.

11 posted on 12/17/2012 9:16:28 AM PST by Democrat_media (media makes mass shooters household names to create more & take our guns)
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To: snowstorm12
Imagine what a 6 or 7 islamic terrorist with a well planned operation could accomplish?

I suspect they'll be watching with great interest as to what kind of security precautions tend to be laid out at schools as a result of what happened Friday. They'll make their adjustments, then stage attacks. I suspect there'll be several across the country.

12 posted on 12/17/2012 9:21:38 AM PST by ScottinVA (I've never been more disgusted with American voters.)
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To: rstrahan

God Bless Texas...


13 posted on 12/17/2012 9:21:44 AM PST by Gator113 (**WHO in the hell gave the damn order to NOT rescue our men in Benghazi?**)
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To: rstrahan; All

I posted this on another thread:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2969380/posts?page=97#97

The Israelis have guards at their schools, and teachers armed as well. They don’t have school shootings.

Every state here in the US has National Guard units.

Detach x number of personnel per month, on a rotating basis, for guard duty at schools, either in uniform, or undercover. There’s more than enough personnel to put at least one or two guards at all the schools in any given state. If folks get nervous about the guns near schools, then keep them concealed.

We have Air Marshalls since 9-11-01. Use the same idea for schools. That schools are left defenseless “gun free zones” is absolutely unforgivable.

Guys with training, kevlar, and a weapon to interdict a potential shooter - outside the school.

Arm the principle as well - mandatory handgun or longarm training if you hold that post. In ADDITION to the taser and mace scenario you outlined.

The only way to stop lethal force is with lethal force.

Much talk about the teachers “trying to protect the children by shielding them with their bodies” on the radio and TV broadcasts.

My question is this - how are you protecting ANYTHING if you are not armed? All you are is a dead shield and the person you try to “protect” is also dead.


14 posted on 12/17/2012 9:24:21 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: rstrahan

If the libs are to be believed, the US should be the safest nation in the world! In 1968, Lyndon Baynes Johnson signed the 1968 Gun Control Act into law! His statement at the time was...

“Today we make America safe by taking guns out of the hands of criminals!”-LBJ

How did those gun laws, passed in a panic, work out for you America.

Don’t let the SOBs fool you now!


15 posted on 12/17/2012 9:27:10 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (SAVE THE SUMATRAN RAT MONKEY!)
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To: snowstorm12

Your post reminded me of what I posted Saturday ..

Obviously we can all recognize that these shooting are happening at what are called, “gun free zones”, otherwise known as (very) soft targets. In the 90s, it was kids who were supposedly being bullied. Now it is people with so called mental disorders. There is another group that is furiously taking notes on all of this. There are people in this world, that have as their sole reason for living, having an opportunity to kill Americans. I guarantee that there are people, today, in Iran and other moslem countries that are looking very closely at what happened yesterday. They see how easy it was for one single shooter to massacre dozens of people, most of whom were children. Our children are the targets that moslem extremists want the most. I’m sure that they can just imagine that if one person can do this much, what a well trained squad of just 4 or 5 jihadists can do. I teach in an elementary school. There are several times during the year that the entire school of 800+ kids, not even counting all of the staff, are grouped together in the gym for assemblies. A gym that has 3 exits. I imagine that this is pretty standard in most schools. Imagine how easy it would be for terrorists, even a small group of only 4 or 5, to inflict carnage on an absolutely imaginable scale. There is not a gun control law in the world that would do any good in such a situation. At my school all doors are locked at all times, but they all have just a crash bar on the inside to allow exit. Kids are constantly letting in people through side doors. Not a day goes by that I don’t have to escort people to the office that have come in through the side doors. There just isn’t enough funding to make every school become Fort Knox. The Beslan School Massacre is exactly what jihadists want to bring to our shores. I fear that incidents like what happened yesterday will only serve to embolden those who wish to perpetrate that evil even more.


16 posted on 12/17/2012 9:27:20 AM PST by gop4lyf (Are we no longer in that awkward time? Or is it still too early?)
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To: rstrahan

This is the correct response to this particular threat:

1. It established the school as a very hard target rather than a soft target.
2. If push comes to shove, you can establish superior fire over the perp within a few seconds.
3. The problem with using security guards etc, is that they have to travel to the scene of the shootings. In general staff and teachers will already be there and can respond within seconds of the first shot or the sight of a threat.
4. The first counterfire will happen in under thirty seconds. Sixty seconds or several minutes is too long and most of the damage is done inside the first two minutes.
5. Immediate counterfire against a perp will slow down his rate of fire as he ducks and tries to protect himself from the bullets incoming. It is a natural reaction and most perps would not be able to override the biological imperative to protect themselves.

The Israelis have used armed teachers for years and it seems to work quite well.


17 posted on 12/17/2012 9:27:53 AM PST by buffaloguy
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To: rstrahan

Imagine if one of the teachers at newton had even had so much as a taser.


18 posted on 12/17/2012 9:30:05 AM PST by Trod Upon (Civilian disarmament is the precursor to democide.)
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To: Gator113
"God Bless Texas..."

Seconded.

19 posted on 12/17/2012 9:39:34 AM PST by Joe Brower (The "American People" are no longer capable of self-governance.)
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To: rstrahan

20 posted on 12/17/2012 9:39:45 AM PST by Flick Lives (We're going to be just like the old Soviet Union, but with free cell phones!)
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To: snowstorm12; cableguymn
See Beslan incident.
21 posted on 12/17/2012 9:40:42 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Joe Brower

“God Bless Texas...”

Seconded.

...and a third...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbH60wCO-Yw


22 posted on 12/17/2012 9:42:14 AM PST by Former MSM Viewer
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To: rstrahan
If I thought I could get it done ... would request this be moved to Breaking. I know this is not Breaking, yet with what The People are about to be fed, the truth needs to be briefly at the top of what has to be done to protect the children. To do less means the children are not going to be protected as best as should be protected. Liberals Hate Children being Protected, otherwise this would be policy and the law of the land. Not an agenda of Ban The Guns or limit capacity to three cartridges, as is the Government Solution at the Federal Level. Thank You for this thread. Shows what a locality, that is serious, can do to serve and protect.
23 posted on 12/17/2012 9:46:35 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: snowstorm12

“wouldn’t need any bombs”

But it would be easier with bombs, wouldn’t it? Our mass killers have a variety of killing methods available.


24 posted on 12/17/2012 9:47:23 AM PST by cymbeline
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To: rstrahan

My cousin, a crack shot and prizewinning marks-woman, teaches in Texas. And she ALWAYS carries.


25 posted on 12/17/2012 10:14:23 AM PST by left that other site (Worry is the Darkroom that Develops Negatives.)
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To: rstrahan

And for that reason (and others)....Texas will continue to be targeted by this administration. Texas is a threat to Obama’s agenda.

That’s a given.


26 posted on 12/17/2012 10:18:39 AM PST by XenaLee (The only good commie is a dead commie.)
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To: NFHale

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ISRAEL TODAY



27 posted on 12/17/2012 10:24:20 AM PST by EdReform (Oath Keepers - Guardians of the Republic - Honor your oath - Join us: www.oathkeepers.org)
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To: left that other site

Amen. We have that at our school. If someone like Lanza tried that - one, he’d not be able to get in. If he broke in with a gun, he’d be dead.


28 posted on 12/17/2012 10:29:11 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind. - John Steinbeck :))
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To: gop4lyf

When that days comes, leftists will excuse it as ‘workplace violence’ and we’ll f*** around for years awaiting trial due to their beard.


29 posted on 12/17/2012 10:32:13 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: rstrahan
A gun-free zone is a murder-zone.

When I see a gun-free sign this is what I hear: “Dear homicidal maniac, We certify there is no one inside this facility who can meet you with any real force. You have about ten minutes or so to kill as many people as you can. Signed, The Management.”

I talked with a man the other day and he said “Well, you can’t have security guards in every school.” I said ‘guards? You don’t need to employ guards. What’s wrong with all the other people in the school? The teachers, principals, vice-principals, janitors, lunch ladies, office workers, councilors, and others? These are grown men and women. If they choose to get a CCW they should be allowed to pack. There should be guidelines for carrying on the job in a school - not laws prohibiting it!

So many people want to live in The Shire where wolves are outlawed.

“No wolves here, Thank you. Why, we don’t even need to know how to repel a wolf attack. And anyway we have people to do that if it ever comes up.”

But wolves do not disappear just because people make it illegal to be a wolf.
And then, one day, a wolf is sniffing at your door…
30 posted on 12/17/2012 10:34:13 AM PST by servo1969
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To: snowstorm12

Agreed. I’ve wondered this. Especially our “yellow school buses”. Kids are sitting ducks and you don’t even need to be near a school. An easy simultaneous attack would be devastating...


31 posted on 12/17/2012 10:36:09 AM PST by fuzzylogic (welfare state = sharing consequences of poor moral choices among everybody)
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To: JCBreckenridge

“Gun-Free Zones” are invitations to these mental cases. The shooters show great displays of cowardice, and would never attempt to shoot up a place that had armed, trained people.

Even the Ft. Hood shooter KNEW that the soldiers would not be armed in the dining hall.


32 posted on 12/17/2012 10:48:48 AM PST by left that other site (Worry is the Darkroom that Develops Negatives.)
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To: EdReform

Teacher with an M1 Carbine slung on her back...

Those children are well-protected. She’s probably ex-mil too.

Gee...there’s a gun near children. Panic to ensue in 5...4...3..2..


33 posted on 12/17/2012 10:55:40 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: rstrahan

Yeah, but what kind of crap are the kids learning in their Social Studies classes?


34 posted on 12/17/2012 10:59:26 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: EdReform

Wow! Tell me more about this photo!


35 posted on 12/17/2012 11:01:55 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: rstrahan

This is too much common sense used for adapting to freedom, for the commies to handle.

Commies: Don’t like it? Ban it.


36 posted on 12/17/2012 11:06:26 AM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: EdReform
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37 posted on 12/17/2012 11:07:22 AM PST by MtnMan101
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To: rstrahan

If I can’t trust a firearms-trained teacher with a gun, why should I trust them with my child?


38 posted on 12/17/2012 12:44:12 PM PST by lgjhn23 (It's easy to be liberal when you're dumber than a box of rocks.)
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To: KeyLargo

Great Post.

But its also a fact that the federal legislation set up
live-kid shooting galleries for every whacko , and terrorist in the country.

Step right up whackos and have yer fun!/s That could not be any clearer. Liberal ideology just died there in Connecticut.

And kids are not quite as stupid as the liberals and leftists think:

http://www.break.com/index/little-kid-at-a-shooting-range.html


39 posted on 12/17/2012 1:09:17 PM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: txrefugee

This is the key to the sadness that comes following an unarmed school and the slaughter of small children because there were no guns in the school to protect those babies. It is very simple. You need a gun safe and 3 people have the combination and men teachers are certified to use them. This no gun policy is madness in today’s times. There are 60 million rifles here and we are not giving them up.They are our constitutional right and any attempt by politicians to touch them will cost them their office.


40 posted on 12/17/2012 2:16:12 PM PST by willowdean
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To: Mamzelle; MtnMan101

I saw it in a reply posted by FReeper MtnMan101, so he can tell you more about it.


41 posted on 12/17/2012 3:01:55 PM PST by EdReform (Oath Keepers - Guardians of the Republic - Honor your oath - Join us: www.oathkeepers.org)
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To: NFHale
American teachers should be armed, as well.

I read where the liberal idiots over at the DUmp were having fits of rage over the suggestion of arming American teachers.

Interesting times. Keep you powder dry and your eye on the horizon. May God and history favor us.


III

Audentis Fortuna Iuvat



42 posted on 12/17/2012 3:24:42 PM PST by EdReform (Oath Keepers - Guardians of the Republic - Honor your oath - Join us: www.oathkeepers.org)
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To: MtnMan101

I’ll choose door number 2 :)


43 posted on 12/17/2012 3:25:55 PM PST by EdReform (Oath Keepers - Guardians of the Republic - Honor your oath - Join us: www.oathkeepers.org)
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To: snowstorm12

remember chechnya ?


45 posted on 12/17/2012 8:33:52 PM PST by onona (Twenty Nine Palms)
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