Posted on 12/11/2012 10:40:49 AM PST by Lockbar
In a huge win for gun-rights groups, a federal appeals court in Chicago on Tuesday tossed the state’s ban on carrying concealed weapons and gave Illinois’ Legislature 180 days to craft a law legalizing concealed carry.
“The debate is over. We won. And there will be a statewide carry law in 2013,” said Todd Vandermyde, a lobbyist for the National Rifle Association.
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How about NYC?
I’m glad for your enthusiasm but I suspect the fight is only just begun. There’s nothing to prevent the lefties from writing a may issue law. This effectively maintains status quo.
Jubilation!!
I live in Will county but commute to the hellhole by the lake mon - fri to work. Was out for a walk during lunch break when I heard the news on wls talk radio. Now that news put some pep in my step!!!
Agreed. The best is “Constitutional Carry,” as we have in AZ: No license required for concealed carry (The law in AZ, AK and VT, of all places). Second best is “Shall Issue,” which IL will probably be one of the last in the nation to pass. There will be “May Issue” after the dust settles, and the gang-bangers will be comfortable in their cribs in Chicago.
But they better not take their crap to a more rural county, because “May Issue” permits tend to flow more freely there.
LOL!!! In my case they don’t have to wonder, I AM carrying and have been for years now when I come I to the city. As I tell my wife, I’d ather be in jail explaining why I had to defend myself than having her ID my body at the morgue.
I don’t want to get too optimistic but it seems while DC is content to wrap itself in additional layers of statism, there are local and state issues/elections that would seem to to represent a reversal of the death-by-a-thousand-cuts legislation passed over time.
In Missouri the legislature passed Concealed Carry over the governor's veto in September of 2003.
Before permits were issued a St Louis judge issued a restraining order. In March of 2004 The Missouri Supreme Court threw out the restraining order and permits started to be issued with the exception of St Louis, Kansas City and perhaps one or two other anti-gun cities
St Louis and Kansas found a technicality about funding and held up issuing permits for an additional 14 months.
It was approximately 20 months AFTER the legislature passed the Concealed Carry bill until citizens in those blue cities started to obtain CC permits.
I hope you fare better than Missouri as far as the time factor.
BTW Missouri is a Shall Issue state.
A “may issue” law will be subject to Seventh Circuit review.
Congratulations! Hell just froze over.
Even a may-issue law won't be the status quo. In rural counties, may-issue will practically equate to shall-issue. And if someone gets issued a permit in, for example, Bovine County, that person will almost surely be able to legally carry into Chicago.
Then you can start the good citizens of the Chicago suburbs asking: Why is it that Barry from out in Bovine County gets to carry in Chicago to defend himself against these thugs, and I live here and can't do the same?
Wyoming also has Constitutional carry.
My bad
Correction:
St Louis and Kansas City found a technicality about funding and held up issuing permits for an additional 14 months.
California will be next, right? /s
Libs will continue to sue. Chicago will sue.
They don’t stop.
They also get to “craft” the legislation and can like some other states make it virtually impossible to get a ccw license, especially in certain areas where one person can deny them.
It’s a mindset we all must adopt - you never give up, you just change the venue and fight style to where it shifts.
Well, yes, however, if you can afford a lawyer just about any law can get judicial review. That doesn’t mean you’ll prevail and in this case I think it would be very difficult.
You are correct Sir!
Amazing.
Hope it works out for IL gun owners, really. I dont think though the lefties are just going to roll over w/o a big fight. Really may issue depends on the obstacles put in the way.
In this instance, you would not be starting from scratch. The court has already issued an order, with a time limit. The law has to meet the court ordered criteria, and the court gets to decide if they have met it.
It is not as if someone has to bring a new lawsuit. It is more like the Kansas case, where the court ordered a school district to do certain things, and then judged whether they accomplished those things or not.
That is how it appears to me, with the limited information about the case that I have read.
Not perfect yet, but getting better year by year.
Jason Whitlock must be crying in his diapers.
OK, fair enough. Would be interesting to see what the court ordered and what the pols come up w/. Even so look at Heller vs DC. Although not identical its similar in nature. I think it was some time before DC kinda sorta did something toward what the court ordered. It seems to me the pols could keep this tied up in court for some time. That is, the pols have little respect for court orders unless it fits their agenda.
I hope to see it completely green some day.
Then they made their new law tremendously burdensome, and it is being appealed the old way, because the court did not order them to pass a new law, they just ruled the old law unconstitutional.
This ruling is better, because it tells the legislature to pass a new law that meets the court's requirements. I do not think the legislature will be the problem here. They have already been willing to pass a much improved law. Even the Chairman of the Chicago Black Caucus is on board. The problem will be Governor Quinn, who is a fanatical anti-freedom activist.
Don’t get excited. It’s a cinch that the Demoscum running IL will craft a new bill prohibiting people from concealed carry anyway.
Strange... not a word on DumpsterUnderground.com... 8*)
“...With every little victory, I smile....”
This is more than a “little” victory, my friend.
This is a giant middle finger from a judge on behalf of every gunny in the country to the former senator from Illinois...
So don’t just smile now...big ol’ cheesy grin is more apt. Show ‘em dem dare pearly whites!!!!
Jason Whitlock must be crying in his diapers.
LOL! Lookin' like a FOOL with his pants on the ground!
Corrected.
Oh, I’m sure they’ll fight as hard as they can.
But unless they can get it overturned (and I don’t think they can) it’s kind of hard to fight against a court ruling that says the state MUST put in place a carry law.
Well hotdog! I hope it goes well, very well!! Are you from IL by any chance?
No, Arizona. I am appalled by the corruption in Illinois, but every state has a large number of politicians that simply ignore their oath to defend and protect the Constitution.
If a flying saucer landed on your front lawn (near Chicago), it would contain an illegal alien or one with an unlimited visitor visa, looking like Rahm Emanuel, wearing a Pink Tutu, and asking for directions to the welfare office.
But the IL Legislature (aka Madigan's Lackeys) have 180 days, six months, to screw with us. And you can bet the rent they WILL try.
'Hopefully' enough down-state Blue Dog gun lovin' Dems (yes they exist) will tell the Chicago and Crook County Pols (Madigan's Puppets) to go take a flying ..... leap. And anything that does pass and becomes law mirrors the recent Concealed Carry Bill that (cough) 'almost passed'(1).
And in NO WAY comes close to the bullshiite that 'prisoners in Chi' have to go through just to have a legal gun in their house. It's one big Catch-22, they pretty much can't comply with the law. As in 'impossible'.
(1) IIRC; Basically if you have a valid IL FOID CARD you pretty much already qualify. Just pass a Certified Training program and you're good to go.
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