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To: Essie
George Will is wrong.

Nope, he's correct - the evidence from innumerable polls is overwhelming.

The core of the opposition to gay marriage (and marijuana legalization) is quite literally dying by the thousands every week.

And there's absolutely nothing that can be done to stop that.

And unlike some other Left-Right age trends (such as growing opposition to taxation with age, more concern about fighting crime, etc.) a 25 year old that supports gay marriage today is probably going to still support gay marriage 20 years from now.

Simply putting your fingers in your ears and screaming loudly isn't going to change reality.

19 posted on 12/10/2012 5:55:48 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: Strategerist

“And there’s absolutely nothing that can be done to stop that.”

Yes, there is. Gay marriage does not produce fruit. As was said earlier, it tends to be the dalliance of a wealthy but reckless nation before it collapses of it’s own largesse.

Gay marriage does not provide for the fundamental undepinnings of civilization beyond one generation. That’s all it takes to bring about national ruin. All the nations that adopt it will collapse. They will go bankrupt.

What it will take is something boomers haven’t ever done. Stand up for something beyond themselves. Stand up for truth, stand behind God. There is hope.


23 posted on 12/10/2012 6:00:28 PM PST by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind. - John Steinbeck :))
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To: Strategerist

There is some truth to that, but with age and experience, people also change their viewpoints on many things. I suspect you are right in part, not so much because it is just ‘old people’ that have this opinion, but other factors. For one, younger generations - 50 and under - are much more likely to have gay people in their social circles. This was not true in earlier generations. Regardless of personal opinions on the issue, it becomes personalized as people we know that are directly asking for it. My parents knew few outwardly gay people, whereas people in the younger and middle generations have many friends.

There is also a libertarian aspect, which raises the question about how much someone else legally married really impacts others. While I don’t support gay marriage, I do share that feeling. I do think free-willing couples should have the same legal, government rights, but IMO it should not be a marriage, as that is a biblical role. I sort of feel like others here that government needs to get out of the marriage business all together, and just have legal partnerships/civil unions, etc. Then, those married in a church apply for the legal contract, and others can too if they so choose.


38 posted on 12/10/2012 6:14:27 PM PST by ilgipper (Obama supporters are comprised of the uninformed & the ill-informed)
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To: Strategerist

So the young will not grow out of their morally degenerate views?

Well then, another factor in concluding the country just isn’t worth salvaging anymore. Let it burn to the ground.


45 posted on 12/10/2012 6:23:44 PM PST by greene66
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To: Strategerist
Will is getting old and funky and slow witted. The polls don't work anymore. PEW says pollsters typically get barely a 9% response rate. That's such a low number that if homosexuals simply bother responding 100% of the time, they amplify their opinion 11X.

That's why polls show support for gay marriage and referenda show no support for gay marriage.

This poll separating older people from younger people does little more than support the idea that polls can't be trusted anymore. Of course older people oppose gay marriage ~ but due to their remarkably shorter lifespans, there are no old gays to distort that answer. However, with most gays being quite young, they probably cast much more than an 11X shadow ~ possibly 15X!

The Supreme Court might tell us biological pair bonding is not a good guide to the ordering of society, but what do they know.

BTW, you disputed me on this with the Romney polls. As I recall you thought he was winning ~ based on polls showing him ahead, and I thought the polls were all cr*p and could not be trusted.

With the homosexual community supporting Romney ~ their big buddy since gay marriage days ~ their inordinate dominance of Gallup polls made it look like Romney was winning ~ but he lost!

79 posted on 12/10/2012 7:40:24 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Strategerist

I don’t know how old you are but 25 year olds change a lot

or they should

I sure as hell did


115 posted on 12/10/2012 11:59:43 PM PST by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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