Skip to comments.The Comical Floundering of the GOP
Posted on 12/10/2012 10:59:15 AM PST by Kaslin
RUSH: Did you see where John Boehner and Obama met at the White House face-to-face for the first time in 23 days? I wonder if Boehner had to wear one of those cheesy name tags. "Hi, I'm John Boehner, Speaker of the House." It's been so long since he's been there. No word on whether Boehner took a white flag with him or not. Well, what can you say here, folks? Fiscal cliff negotiations proving once again that Obama is never worried about trying to fix the problem. All he's trying to do is fix the blame.
Now, there was a guy on CNBC. Does the name Peter Schiff ring a bell? It does to me. I've seen this name over and over. He is the CEO of something called Euro Pacific Capital. He lives in Connecticut. He was on CNBC recently, and he said, "First of all, I'm in the top two percent. Right now, I'm paying 45% of my total income in income taxes, both to the state of Connecticut and to the federal government, and if you take the 3% Medicare tax. After the tax hikes go into effect next year, more than half -- more than half of my total income is going to go to the government. You tell me, what's fair about that when medieval serfs pay 25%, I'm paying half?"
He's introducing a new fairness argument here. What the hell is fair about the top 2% already paying close to half the income tax burden, and then having their income taxes go up? And he then said, "I don't care what the majority voted to do, they don't have a right to steal my money just because they vote for it."
Oh, yes, they do. That's where we are. They do have a right to your money, Mr. Schiff. That's what the election of Obama meant. That's why people voted for Obama. I am more and more convinced that the Obama voters knew what they were doing just as the voters in California, Proposition 30, knew what they were doing. Look, as long as the gravy train keeps rolling, and we've talked about this I don't know how many times, the unemployed have their unemployment extension. And, by the way, that's been proposed, a new extension for unemployment because you know what's hurting the unemployment extension? The falling unemployment rate.
Peter Schiff: Peter Schiff: The Majority Doesn't Have A Right to Steal My Money Just Because They Vote For It
As the unemployment rate goes down because of the formula, unemployment extensions expire. The regime has to something about that. So now there's a new wrinkle that's been added to the fiscal cliff deal and that's extending unemployment benefits. I kid you not, and it's gonna happen. As long as the gravy train keeps rolling and they've got their unemployment, got the plasmas, cell phones, debit cards for food stamps and so forth. Obama's basically gonna believe everything's hunky dory. As long as there aren't any cuts to the programs that provide for them, they're gonna think everything's fine, and there aren't going to be any cuts to entitlements. There just aren't going to be. A, the Republicans don't have the leverage. B, I don't think the Republicans have the real desire to do that. I mean, en masse, I don't think there are enough votes for that to happen, let me put it that way.
But as Brit Hume today said on Fox News, there's just certain realities here. Medicare, Social Security, Medicaid, take your pick, all these entitlements, I mean, those are, to the Democrat Party, the crown jewels of their existence. I mentioned this last week when I talked about the fact that there is no middle ground. There is no common ground here for a negotiation, because what the Republicans want, what the Democrats want are two totally different things. The Republicans want spending pretty much cut, they want taxes held pretty much the same, although they're willing to increase revenue. That's gonna happened, too. Boehner's already offered $800 billion.
But, you know what, the New York Times has a story out, the timing is just wonderful. Guess what, folks? Guess what? The New York Times has just learned that the revenue raised by eliminating loopholes and deductions, you know, darn it, it just isn't gonna be enough. We're going to have to raise the rates, too. Shazam, just figured out it out over the weekend in a late dispatch to help Obama. They can't do this with just closing the loopholes. Not possible. Gonna have to raise the rates, too. Jackie Calmes, New York Times. That's it.
Well, I'm sorry, folks, there's no common ground because the Republicans do not want to raise taxes. They want to cut spending. The Democrats don't want to cut spending. The Democrats don't want any changes. The Democrats want more spending to sustain the entitlements because that enables the gravy train to keep rolling. As long as the programs that provide for Obama's-low-information, high-benefits voters, as long as those things continue to provide their benefits, what do they care about the deficit? Seriously, the low-information voter, the Obama voter, what do they care about unfunded liabilities? They don't even know what that is. What do they care about credit ratings?
You run up to a typical Obama voter, "You know, we're gonna lose our AAA credit --" "What? What's credit? The country has a credit rating? I don't understand. Explain it to me." And then you start explaining and you lose them because they don't care. What do they care about inflation? What's any of that to them? It's just gibberish.
A great piece over the weekend, actually a couple great pieces on many of the problems conservatives have. Democrats sell benefits; we sell features. Stop and think about this, and I'll give you some examples as the program unfolds. The Democrats sell benefits. What does this mean to you? We talk about features. We talk about how low taxes are gonna spur economic growth and create upward mobility, but there's no direct benefit to it. It's a theory that is true, but there's no immediate payoff to it. There's no immediate benefit. We've got all the great features, but they offer all the benefits.
I saw another analogy that what the Republicans are in the process of doing is making the mistake that Coca-Cola made. Back in 1985, Roberto Goizueta, who was the CEO of Coke said, "You know what, we've had this same formula for all these years. We need to modernize." So they came out with new Coke, and an uproar took place, and within, what was it, three weeks they had to reintroduce the old Coke as Coke Classic and the new Coke was gone. Well, the theory that I read, I think at Red State, actually, the theory is the Republican Party has been doing new Coke, but gradually. We have been caving on the things that identify us. We've been giving away our recipe. We changed our recipe on our own, and the latest example of changing the recipe is, "You know what, we're all for amnesty now. We've gotta go demographics. We've gotta open the borders and we've gotta get those voters. Yeah, we're being rejected because of our policy on immigration and Hispanics."
And so the Republican Party, nobody knows what it is anymore. Whatever it used to be, it's changing the formula. Whereas Coke did it overnight -- this is just a theory, and it's interesting. In addition, oh, talk about a snake-bit party. No sooner does Obama win the election, no sooner predictably do all the wizards of smart in the Republican Party from the Weekly Standard to the Wall Street Journal to wherever say, "We gotta modernize on immigration. We can't talk about self-deportation. We're gonna have to acknowledge that we're gonna have to grant amnesty. We're gonna have to really modernize our immigration. We're gonna have to get up to speed on this."
No sooner do the wizards of smart decide to do that then, guess what, Michael Barone has a piece: "The End of the Wave -- Is mass migration from Mexico to the United States a thing of the past?" And he chronicled something we reported to you months ago. The net has changed. There are more Mexicans leaving America to return home than there are Mexicans coming to the United States. There are many reasons for it, but primarily economic.
The Mexican economy is growing sufficiently so that the Mexican middle class looks a little better to people who live in Mexico. There's no reason to flee it or not as big a reason. The second reason is, interesting stat from Barone's piece: 25% of home foreclosures in this country have been experienced by Hispanics. People who moved here wanting the American dream, they live in the southwest, in the dust states, as it's referred to by Barone, and they got here and they bought into the dream and they bought a house and then market went south, it tanked, and their house is underwater, what the hell? And they're leaving.
(laughing) So no sooner do the Republicans say, "You know what? Immigration's our answer," than people are leaving. (laughing) They're not coming in net-increase numbers. It's becoming comical. The whole thing is just becoming comical. (interruption) Yeah, the Coke analogy was Patrick Millsaps' at Red State. The Mexican economy is growing at 3.5%. Ours is not even half that. So the Mexicans, they have their choice. They're more than welcome here, as we know, but they're choosing to stay in Mexico, and some here are choosing to return to Mexico.
Now, there is, you know, a factor here that some of Obama's voters are leaving, but they'll be brought back in time for the next election. They won't be a problem. But the time of the next election, they will be able to vote in Mexico City or Guadalajara or wherever they live. Obama will see to it
If Boehner is GOP then I suppose I’m not.
I’ve got my eye on Rand Paul, Jim DeMint, and maybe a couple of others. Palin and Bachmann I suppose. They are my party. I don’t know who these other guys are.
The name tag and white flag... lol
The totalitarians on the left (but I repeat myself) don't want serfs. They want slaves.
I’m done with the two parties. I’ve now changed my voter registration to ‘non-declared’, and fully intend to vote third party and / or the most Conservative in the next cycle. The R’s and D’s are one and the same in my eyes. While we spend time fighting each other tooth and nail over unimportant social issues, they destroy the nation. I’m done with it.
I’ve always considered myself to be a Libertarian Conservative. The Republican party, to me, is dead. No more money, no more support of any kind. This limp wristed elitist crap is over.
I’m done with the gopelite too. They are cspineless worms.
I’m done with the gopelite too. They are spineless worms.
I turned off the radio pretty soon after the show started, being tired of the negativity displayed by Rush since the election. I think I’m going to leave it off for at least a couple of weeks as I will not allow anyone to ruin my Christmas season. (Wonder how his advertisers will like that?)
I know the situation is grim; but I want constructive guidance about what to to do. If I want negativity, I’ll just read the posts here.
I haven’t been able to listen to Rush either, but a couple of times I have tuned in for maybe 10 minutes. Basically, in my opinion, he is just telling it like it is and yes, it’s depressing right now. There’s not anything our side can do about anything. Heck, they can’t even seem to put Hillary under oath for her huge roll in Benghazi and won’t touch the king about it. Until I star hearing about those 2 being held accountable, I have mostly tuned out.
The GOP party may have been poorly led under Michael Steele (an ACTUAL BLACK MAN!!) but I saw them shoot themselves in the foot just by hiring someone called “Reince” Prebus.
It is a bunch of bureaucrats who slap themsleves on the back and dream up new raise to fundraise and then give themselves raises.
Bring back Michael Steele- under him the GOP won the most seats in recent history. As mild as he was, at least he was better then Prebus.
WHY HASNT ANYONE CALLED FOR PREBUS TO RESIGN YET???
Suppose registered Republicans in huge numbers changed their party registration to dem, ind, con, etc. I think if it happened in large enough numbers it would get media attention and just maybe create an Oh Sh&t moment for the GOPe. It would be nice if that were to happen in advance of the vote for Speaker.
Go off the cliff. I still think the Republicans shouldn’t do a thing until the Senate passes a budget. You cannot take from people without knowing what you are bringing in and what you are sending out.
Publicize it and force the Senate to do something. Without it, no deal.
Rush is a bit slow and likely has become a bit too well connected to the GOPe nowadays.
Ya can't fix the GOP. It's gone and has been gone since the Bush days. It would have been like trying to make the Nazis compassionate...Or enticing Obama to join the NRA....It's just done. A tangled mess of insiders, big money and the well connected. It cannot be salvaged.
I tire of Rush not saying the obvious, the leaders of the republican party are socialists just like the leadership in the democrat party. No Rush they do not cave or get weak n the knees, they are socialists too.
“Suppose registered Republicans in huge numbers changed their party registration to dem, ind, con, etc.”
Our first clue was in the ‘90s when Republicans took control of Congress and acted like democrats. I registered out of the party then and will never go back; and I walked door-to-door for Reagan. Conservatives keep falling for the same old liberal republican trick. The republican establishment doesn’t care about conservatism. They only care about conservative money. Their attitude is, “just pony up and shut up, your betters will make the actual decisions!”
Look what happened on this site when some of us refused to vote for the liberal Romney. They immedietly started calling us names. They tried to bully us. They slandered us by saying we were voting for Obama. They demanded that we get with THEIR program. They LOST. Their great strategy of compromising their principles in order to attract imaginary middle-of-the-road voters FAILED. So now they are scapegoating conservatives and shutting us out of committee assignments for cold-blooded, cynical, political reasons.
How many times do you have to be knifed in the back before realizing someone is your enemy? Rove et. all think you’re stupid.
Nothing comical about the GOP.
“Tammy Faye Boehner”, heehee. The Gopper is dead!
Mega dittos on what you said about Rush. I’m, also, bothered about the ongoing silence, by the GOP and by way too many conservative talk show hosts, on the issue of voter fraud and the November 2012 general election, including the long existing legal agreement that prevents both major political parties from discussing voter fraud from ANY election.
What’s really funny about the flounder is that it’s on a rock a good 10 feet from the water’s edge, and it is floundering less and less with each passing second.
That’s still no reason to change your registration, for depending on your state you may not be able to vote in a Republican primary in 2014 in which you might like to participate. Of course, in TX there is no formal procedure to “change parties”. One must wait until the next primary to vote in the other party’s primary as the only way to change parties. Or one may sit out a primary and be an “unaffiliated voter” for two years.
Even Reagan had his flaws: Sandra Day O’Connor, Anthony Kennedy, King Day, GHWB. Without King Day, there probably could have been no Obama Day in 2008.
Third party? We already have the Constitution Party, which usually fights to reach .5 of 1 percent.
I have that feeling too, but which one? If we want to go with a third party we have to decide which one and then unite. Otherwise it is a waste
Isn’t the Constitution party a third party?
You nailed it. I am tired of hearing Rush talk. we need leaders and we need action.
None have existed since.
How does one go about that in states like Illinois and Texas,etc, unless Texas has changed recently? No registration by party affiliation.
Boehner’s body language around Obama is always cringing. They must have something on Boehner that is appalling.
You are correct. The Geriatric Old Plotters are the enemy within.
You have your ‘eye’ on one elected senator, a congresswoman who barely got re-elected, one guy who wont be elected soon, and a woman celebrity not elected now nor unlikely to be anywhere anytime soon.
That’s a ‘party’?!?
Glad to hear you're foursquare for guys who are nothing but solid gold -- like Mitt Romney and Jeb Bush and Gov. Christie.
You show 'em.
Sad, isn't it? The people who believe what I believe can hardly get elected dog-catcher in post-millenium America.
But it is what it is. Thats my party for better or worse.