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GOP sides with Mickey Mouse on copyright reform
The Washington Examiner ^ | December 5, 2012 | Tim Carney

Posted on 12/08/2012 12:36:35 PM PST by seacapn

Illegally downloading a couple dozen songs can earn you a million-dollar fine. Setting some Robert Frost verses to music can make you a criminal. Software or hardware that could possibly be used to copy DVDs -- illegal. And thanks to congressional action every couple of decades, Disney still holds a copyright over Mickey Mouse, whom Walt first created nearly a century ago.

The law and law enforcement around copyright has moved far beyond its purpose of promoting arts and sciences and has become a textbook case of collusion between big business and big government.

If Republicans took on this issue, they could make a play for younger voters while fighting for free enterprise. But that would require standing up to big movie studios and record labels -- and that's not really how Republicans roll, as a GOP memo on copyright reform painfully showed.

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Republicans are surprisingly close to the entertainment industry. For instance, Mitch Glazier, as a Republican House Judiciary Committee staffer in the late 1990s, played a key role in drafting GOP bills expanding copyright before cashing out to the industry. He now runs the Recording Industry Association of America, a $4 million-a-year lobby operation that fights for more government protection of record labels.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonexaminer.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: copyright; disney; mickeymouse; riaa
This is something I don't understand - why does the GOP go so far out of its way to carry the water for Hollywood studios and record labels, most of whose biggest stars and executives seem to HATE conservatives, and actively work against conservative causes?

The answer - unfortunately - seems to be payoffs and corruption among GOP elected officials and staffers.

The GOP could make some inroads with younger people by reviewing some of the insane copyright laws we've allowed Hollywood to write for itself over the years, but the party leadership would rather get occasional payoffs from the big media conglomerates.

Anyway, here's a link to the Cato Institute event referenced in the article:

Copyright Unbalanced: From Incentive to Excess

1 posted on 12/08/2012 12:36:43 PM PST by seacapn
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To: seacapn

A downloaded song is worth about a buck. I say the fine should be no more than ten bucks each for an illegal download.


2 posted on 12/08/2012 12:39:36 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: seacapn
The big-government/big-corporate criminal monopoly wants to own everything and charge the peasants rent for everything.

That's why plank number one of the Communist Manifesto and United Nations Agenda 21 is the abolition of private property rights.

3 posted on 12/08/2012 12:48:31 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the state." - Cornelius Tacitus, Roman Senator)
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To: seacapn

But I guess “sampling” is still ok?


4 posted on 12/08/2012 12:49:36 PM PST by Cowboy Bob (Greed + Envy = Liberalism)
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To: GeronL

http://www.amazon.com/Year-Zero-Novel-Rob-Reid/dp/0345534417/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1354999747&sr=1-1&keywords=the+year+zero


5 posted on 12/08/2012 12:54:25 PM PST by Sirius Lee (RE SP - Republicans, from Mitt Romney ..to Karl Rove... are said to be concerned she will win.")
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To: seacapn

And the GOP went out of its way to fire the 24 year old Congressional staffer who was brave enough to simply write a memo suggesting that copyright laws could be reined in. Fired.

Only reasonable explanation is that there is a political class working to keep its nest feathered. That instinct is “bipartisan” in Washington. Has the effect of screwing the rest of us, but they DON’T CARE.


6 posted on 12/08/2012 12:54:46 PM PST by rockvillem
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To: GeronL
A downloaded song is worth about a buck. I say the fine should be no more than ten bucks each for an illegal download.

An apple is worth about the same price so why is the fine for the music millions of times more? Stealing an apple will get you a severe talking to and maybe the cost. You would never be arrested because the judge would laugh it out of court and probably fine the prosecutor for wasting the court's time.

7 posted on 12/08/2012 12:55:09 PM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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To: seacapn

I’m well on my way to seeing republicans like I did before Reagan.


8 posted on 12/08/2012 12:56:24 PM PST by ansel12 (A.Coulter2005(truncated)Romney will never recover from his Court's create of a right to gay marriage)
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To: seacapn

Agreed, the tea party could gain a LOT of the Youth and tech youth vote by going against the Hollywood accountants and their ilk who push copyright on the liberal garbage.

We need to scorch earth those liberal propagandist morons in Hollywood, we wanna win the culture war, start by de-funding Hollywood.


9 posted on 12/08/2012 1:04:01 PM PST by GraceG
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To: rockvillem

Mickey Mouse SHOULD be public domain by now for crying out loud, part of the expiration of copyrights was to foster innovation by releasing old ideas into the public for free usage as well as make the producers of the expired stuff incentive to continue to be creative...

Instead you have Disney which was feasting off the corpse of mickey mouse for so many years, no wonder they almost went bust before they acquired pixar and lucas films.

Even if the mouse is still protected things like the steamboat willie cartoon should be in the public domain market if no other reason than the keeping with the principle of the 200 year old copyright laws.


10 posted on 12/08/2012 1:11:06 PM PST by GraceG
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To: seacapn

The best way to overcome the problem of corporation hoarding copyrights and patents in libraries, not using them, but not allowing others to use them, can be overcome with a change to the law.

Make copyright and patent law like the original US Mining law, the General Mining Act of 1872. It said that about anyone can stake a claim anywhere, but they had to either improve that claim to the tune of $500 every year, or make a profit from mining that claim of $500 every year, or they would lose their claim.

An example is Disney, and their copyright of Mickey Mouse and the movie Song of the South. Mickey makes them millions every year, so they should be able to keep government protection for that copyright. However, they did market Song of the South, but now both refuse to, and won’t let anyone else, either.

So they should lose that copyright.

In effect, it would be a “use it or lose it” law.

If they don’t ever want to sell it, no problem. Just don’t release it for public sale, ever. If someone steals it, then sue them for theft. But once it is out there, its future belongs to the market, and that is the only reason it needs government protection.


11 posted on 12/08/2012 1:15:07 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Pennies and Nickels will NO LONGER be Minted as of 1/1/13 - Tim Geithner, US Treasury Sect)
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To: seacapn
is it possible Boehner was purging Conservatives who also have an interest in retasking copyright to the benefit of the national economy?

MIght see what the relationships are of those Conservatives ~ we already know Boehner is deep in thrall to the hollyweird producers and their lackeys.

12 posted on 12/08/2012 1:27:41 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Sirius Lee; bgill

Definitely not an arrestng offense, definitely a minor crime


13 posted on 12/08/2012 1:28:53 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Sirius Lee; bgill

Definitely not an arrestng offense, definitely a minor crime


14 posted on 12/08/2012 1:30:57 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: seacapn

If there’s one thing the GOP is good at it’s Mickey Mouse. Everytime the GOOBers show up for work on Capitol Hill, the effeminate ‘RATS beat them up and eat their lunch.


15 posted on 12/08/2012 1:40:47 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Don't tax me bro! Tax that guy over there!)
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To: GraceG

We’re SO on the same page about the underlying purpose of intellectual property rights. Incentive to create, but also expiration to encourage innovation. So obvious, but such a classic case of regulatory capture. Focused private interests dominate the political scene at this point and it is only going to get worse. Who is John Galt?


16 posted on 12/08/2012 2:22:46 PM PST by rockvillem
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To: seacapn
This is something I don't understand - why does the GOP go so far out of its way to carry the water for Hollywood studios and record labels, most of whose biggest stars and executives seem to HATE conservatives, and actively work against conservative causes?

The reasopn you are confused is that you still believe there are actually two separate parties in this country. That hasn't been the case for years. There is establishment party A, and establishment party B, and what they have in common is that they are the establishment.

17 posted on 12/08/2012 3:05:25 PM PST by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
An example is Disney, and their copyright of Mickey Mouse and the movie Song of the South. Mickey makes them millions every year, so they should be able to keep government protection for that copyright. However, they did market Song of the South, but now both refuse to, and won’t let anyone else, either.

Actually, you are talking about two different things here. There are trademarks, and there is copyright. Disney corp has a trademark over the use of Mickey Mouse. Trademarks last forever, as long as they are actively used and protected by the owner. Even if Steamboat Willie had mercifully been allowed to lapse into the Public Domain, you still wouldn't be able to make your own cartoon with Mickey Mouse in it. You would be able to share the cartoon Steamboat Willie with anyone on the planet you wanted to.

Many people don't understand the difference, and the media purposefully confuse people about it because they are complicit in the scam.

18 posted on 12/08/2012 3:12:04 PM PST by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: seacapn

With the elephant having committed suicide this past election, it seems natural that the GOP-e would want to be in good with Micky Mouse.

GOP-e begins anew with it’s new theme song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5ZOcIc_pKk


19 posted on 12/08/2012 3:20:17 PM PST by Gator113 (**WHO in the hell gave the damn order to NOT rescue our men in Benghazi?**)
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To: GraceG

Copyright laws in the USA are rigged to favor big business. The laws are an outrage to common sense. I am a criminal if I hire a band that plays “You Ain’t Nothing but a Hound dog”. Ridiculous. As a consequence I do not hire bands to play at my (little) bar.


20 posted on 12/08/2012 3:23:31 PM PST by jpsb
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To: seacapn
The child molesters at Disney just love the GOP:

MickeyP

disney subliminal sex messages

Disney Pedophiles

From the Huffington Post (sorry no linky to Zsa Zsa Arianna Gabor's site):

In the case of News Corp., Time Warner, Comcast, and the Walt Disney Co., donations made to Obama were roughly ten times the amount than donations made to Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney.

For example, the Walt Disney Co.'s Bob Iger donated $30,800 to the DNC Services Corporation; $25,000 to the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee; and $5,000 to Obama's campaign.

I say (pardon my language) F 'em all.

Glen Reynolds at Instapundit is right. It's time we start hitting the child molesting, Democrat media where it hurts.

Aint gonna happen though:

GOP Scared Stiff by Copyright Paper
21 posted on 12/08/2012 6:43:30 PM PST by wizkid
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To: seacapn

The copyright laws have become so absurd over the years. I’m in favor of overhauling the entire system. For one anything that is out of print should go into the public domain. With music, movies, art I would go with 20 years unless it goes out of print first. With software and video games 5 years. There’s no reason for things like MS-DOS to still be under copyright. No one is harmed if it’s downloaded, same with older video games. A prime music example for me is Bob Seger, 6 out his first 7 albums are long out of print along with his Detroit/Ann Arbor area singles circa 1966-67. To me if he wont reissue, his loss. Those are traded online quite a bit anyhow. Yes copyright absurdity is a pet peeve of mine.


22 posted on 12/08/2012 6:44:24 PM PST by Perhaps Today
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To: seacapn
Boy have you got it right. ATT put my copyrighted photos on a disc in 1989 & I have not been able to get justice.They did not have a lic. from me to do this.
23 posted on 12/08/2012 7:11:15 PM PST by John Doe #1 (DAV Life Member/http:www.freewebs.com/getthepicture/)
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To: GraceG

How stupid are our politicians ,,, the rest of the world laughs at their ridiculous laws while those laws are used only against our people.

24 posted on 12/08/2012 10:46:54 PM PST by Neidermeyer
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To: GraceG
Mickey Mouse SHOULD be public domain by now for crying out loud, part of the expiration of copyrights was to foster innovation by releasing old ideas into the public for free usage as well as make the producers of the expired stuff incentive to continue to be creative...

I found a cartoon on YouTube that was made by the Third Reich or maybe Vichy France in 1943/44 that depicted three B-17's each flown by Donald Duck, Mickey Mouse and Popeye and you had Goofy and Felix the Cat as gunners. It was about a French family listening to London on the radio (the announcer "looked Jewish" as per the Nazi stereotype of the period) saying the Allies are coming. The bombs fall on the house, killing the family and leaving the radio behind and then you see the Grim Reaper laughing. I'm surprised Disney, along with Max Fleischer, did not go after someone on this, then again, we were at war with them anyhoo.

Nimbus Libere-1943/44

It was so absurd, I had a good laugh.
25 posted on 12/08/2012 11:30:36 PM PST by Nowhere Man (It is about time we re-enact Normandy, at the shores of the Potomac.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

More like Charlie Brown where Lucy promises not to yank the football but like Charlie Brown, the GOP gets fooled by the Rats.


26 posted on 12/08/2012 11:37:13 PM PST by Nowhere Man (It is about time we re-enact Normandy, at the shores of the Potomac.)
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To: seacapn
The answer - unfortunately - seems to be payoffs and corruption among GOP elected officials and staffers.

Welcome to reality - "our side" is just as corrupt as their side...

27 posted on 12/09/2012 3:34:20 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: zeugma
"Trademarks last forever, as long as they are actively used and protected by the owner. Even if Steamboat Willie had mercifully been allowed to lapse into the Public Domain, you still wouldn't be able to make your own cartoon with Mickey Mouse in it. You would be able to share the cartoon Steamboat Willie with anyone on the planet you wanted to."

Which basically says that trademark law also needs to be revised. If an item is both copyrighted AND trademarked, then the trademark should end with the copyright.

28 posted on 12/09/2012 4:15:08 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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