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This sounds like the beginning of a ban on lots of ammunition. I do not think the ATF will pay attention to comments, but we should get on record opposing any additions to the list of banned "armor piercing ammunition".
1 posted on 12/08/2012 7:23:25 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

This is primarily in opposition to FN-57 ammunition for FN pistols, I think. The same handgun and ammuntion used at Ft. Hood TERROR ATTACK.


2 posted on 12/08/2012 7:25:55 AM PST by Gaffer
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I for one, want an armor piercing 30’06 round for those bucks that have armored up with vests.....ha ha....


3 posted on 12/08/2012 7:27:34 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: marktwain

Sounds like they are working themselves around to Kennedy’s “performance standard” for defining “armor piercing” rather than by actual design.

Basically, if a round can defeat Level IIa soft body armor, it’ll illegal.

That is every round out there faster than 1700 fps. We’d be relegated to 80% of our pistol calibers and no Rifle calibers over .22 lr.


4 posted on 12/08/2012 7:27:54 AM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: marktwain

They are reading the Tea Leaves too. Bad times are a-coming and they want to skew the odds in their favor.


5 posted on 12/08/2012 7:28:32 AM PST by The Working Man
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Ban “armor piercing” because its not needed for hunting and then ban lead ammunition because its bad for the environment.


7 posted on 12/08/2012 7:31:29 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: marktwain
With lead outlawed in calif and other places for bullets

The ammo makers have come up with solid metal bullets for hunting

This is a direct shot at them in areas no lead allowed it would stop hunting.

9 posted on 12/08/2012 7:34:04 AM PST by mouser (Run the rats out its the only chance we have)
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To: marktwain

I could see this affecting the SS109 5.56(.223) rifle bullets that have Steel Cores(green tipped), which are very popular with folks that have AR15s.

This is getting entertaining. The environuts don’t want us using Lead rounds/shot, and the ATF seems to have a problem with ammo that’s harder than Lead. What’s one to do? I could imagine Gold and Silver bullets being a tad expensive.

Keep a close eye on this folks.


11 posted on 12/08/2012 7:36:33 AM PST by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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Good article here:

WSJ: The Fallicy of “Low” or “Declining” Homicide Numbers

The Wall Street Journal

U.S. NEWS
Updated December 8, 2012, 12:12 a.m. ET

In Medical Triumph, Homicides Fall Despite Soaring Gun Violence
By GARY FIELDS and CAMERON MCWHIRTER

BALTIMORE—The number of U.S. homicides has been falling for two decades, but America has become no less violent.

Crime experts who attribute the drop in killings to better policing or an aging population fail to square the image of a more tranquil nation with this statistic: The reported number of people treated for gunshot attacks from 2001 to 2011 has grown by nearly half.

“Did everybody become a lousy shot all of a sudden? No,” said Jim Pasco, executive director of the National Fraternal Order of Police, a union that represents about 330,000 officers. “The potential for a victim to survive a wound is greater than it was 15 years ago.”

In other words, more people in the U.S. are getting shot, but doctors have gotten better at patching them up. Improved medical care doesn’t account for the entire decline in homicides but experts say it is a major factor.

Emergency-room physicians who treat victims of gunshot and knife attacks say more people survive because of the spread of hospital trauma centers—which specialize in treating severe injuries—the increased use of helicopters to ferry patients, better training of first-responders and lessons gleaned from the battlefields of Iraq and Afghanistan.

“Our experience is we are saving many more people we didn’t save even 10 years ago,” said C. William Schwab, director of the Firearm and Injury Center at the University of Pennsylvania and the professor of surgery at the Hospital of the University of Pennsylvania...

Read at:

http://theerant.yuku.com/topic/55105/WSJ-The-Fallicy-of-Low-or-Declining-Homicide-Numbers#.UMNguazWbgw


15 posted on 12/08/2012 7:58:25 AM PST by KeyLargo
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This would be our Dear Leader “working under the radar”.


33 posted on 12/08/2012 9:25:13 AM PST by SIDENET ("If that's your best, your best won't do." -Dee Snider)
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To: marktwain

Good grief, make a bullet out of a non lead metal to satisfy the greenies in Califpornia and the unintended result is it lets the darn BAFTE use it as a way to ban all handgun rounds other than the .22. The socialist leftists want your guns and are coming for them.


43 posted on 12/08/2012 10:43:13 AM PST by RicocheT (Eat the rich only if you're certain it's your last meal)
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All military surplus FMJ rifle ammunition punches holes through mettle plate..


49 posted on 12/09/2012 5:21:21 AM PST by Track9 (The MSM needs a laugh track)
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This whole set of guidelines/regulations is pretty much pointless and busybody krap. The first effect of the rule back when was to eliminate Chicom ammo from the market, most of which was soft-iron cored and would fail the magnetic check every time. It was cheap-—not armor piercing. If you gotta get hit by something it’s better if it’s armor piercing since it doesn’t expand, makes a clean hole. You can thank Bill Ruger for working to keep the low-end 7.62 X 39 semi auto rifles/ ammo out of the market. Beyond that the whole armor piercing discussion is pretty much pointless in terms of protecting cops or anyone else. By the time muzzle energy reaches 1400 ft-lbs in any gun/cartridge whoever the round hits, vest or not, is pretty much out of the fight——think Dirty Harry and his 44 magnum. The rules ought to be repealed and ATF ought to spend its energy cleaning up its act on the southern border.


54 posted on 12/09/2012 12:06:00 PM PST by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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The only thing that needs to be examined and discussed are the locations of ATF, IRS facilities, their occupants, around the country.


56 posted on 12/09/2012 5:10:29 PM PST by TheBigJ
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To: marktwain

Add antimony to your cast lead bullets, and your bullets are harder than lead. The only bullets permitted for hunting in California are non-lead bullets, usually with copper, tungsten, or bismuth.

Of course lead is regulated by the EPA, so lead bullets will be banned too.


58 posted on 12/09/2012 10:17:35 PM PST by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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Could someone please help me locate the “sporting purpose” clause of the 2nd Amendment?


61 posted on 12/10/2012 6:38:46 AM PST by Nachoman (Wisdom is learned, cynicism is earned.)
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To: marktwain

BTTT!


63 posted on 12/14/2012 1:27:49 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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