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War on drugs a trillion-dollar failure by Richard Branson
CNN ^ | 12/06/2012 | Richard Branson

Posted on 12/06/2012 2:25:44 PM PST by Responsibility2nd

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To: Alaska Wolf
Whose interpretation? IOW, you wouldn't be pissed off if the state in which you reside banned firearms?

I would. They'd have a hard time of it though. To start with it would require amending our state constitution. I believe CA is the only state that doesn't explicitly acknowlege their citizen's right to keep and bear arms in their state constitution, and IMHO, admitting them into the union without that was a mistake.

By the same token, the federal government can ban firearms if they can get an amendment ratified to grant them to authority to do that. I don't like the idea, and there could well be another civil war over it if they tried, but that's how it works.

201 posted on 12/07/2012 1:11:10 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Colorado Doug

OK, point taken.


202 posted on 12/07/2012 1:13:29 PM PST by Notary Sojac (Only liberals believe that people can be made virtuous via legislative enactment.)
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To: Alaska Wolf
So you are comfortable with the states having the authority to ban firearms?

I neglected to dot my i's in my previous post by noting that the 14th Amendment extended Bill of Rights restrictions to state governments. But if states want to have, say, California's onerous 'environmental' regulations, nothing in the federal Constitution prohibits that.

203 posted on 12/07/2012 1:15:35 PM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("mouth piece from the pit of hell" (Bellflower, 11/10/2012))
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

Thank you.


204 posted on 12/07/2012 1:16:57 PM PST by Daveinyork (."Trusting government with power and money is like trusting teenaged boys with whiskey and car keys,)
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To: Alaska Wolf
So you are comfortable with the states having the authority to ban firearms?

Can't. Second Amendment and Art 6 Para 2 should be more than enough to stop that nonsense.

You appear confused over how a Federated Republic works...

205 posted on 12/07/2012 1:17:30 PM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Alaska Wolf
Define people. Isn't government, local, state and national, we the people?

Do you think the Second Amendment means that the right of 'local, state and national governments' to keep and bear arm shall not be infringed?

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A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."'

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206 posted on 12/07/2012 1:19:04 PM PST by Ken H
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To: Notary Sojac
This prohibits the states from banning firearms

Then what about Illinois and municipalities within states?

207 posted on 12/07/2012 1:19:25 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies
I neglected to dot my i's in my previous post by noting that the 14th Amendment extended Bill of Rights restrictions to state governments.

The 14th was only "necessary" because of deliberate misinterpretation of Art 6 para 2. Also, selective incorporation of the 14th has only made matters worse. Under ratification, the 14th should have applied everywhere within the US under Art 6's Supremacy clause requiring no judicial review to allow it force.

Judicial activism planted the seeds of our own destruction early in the life of our Republic. We are now seeing those seed sprout their deadly fruit...

208 posted on 12/07/2012 1:21:21 PM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Alaska Wolf
Then what about Illinois and municipalities within states?

There's nothing to keep any state or city from trying to do something unconstitutional.

Assuming a sane Supreme Court, those attempts are overturned.

209 posted on 12/07/2012 1:30:57 PM PST by Notary Sojac (Only liberals believe that people can be made virtuous via legislative enactment.)
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To: Ken H
Do you think the Second Amendment means that the right of 'local, state and national governments' to keep and bear arm shall not be infringed?

The right of the people to keep and bear arm shall not be infringed. Yet many people pass laws, state and locally restricting and in some cases outlawing that right. Why do the people allow it?

210 posted on 12/07/2012 1:31:28 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: Alaska Wolf
The right of the people to keep and bear arm shall not be infringed. Yet many people pass laws, state and locally restricting and in some cases outlawing that right. Why do the people allow it?

First, what is your answer to my question? To repeat:

Do you think the Second Amendment means that the right of 'local, state and national governments' to keep and bear arm shall not be infringed, YES or NO? '

211 posted on 12/07/2012 1:37:36 PM PST by Ken H
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To: Notary Sojac
There's nothing to keep any state or city from trying to do something unconstitutional.

People/government can't always be expected to do what is moral and right.

212 posted on 12/07/2012 1:42:31 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: Smokin' Joe

and where in that do you find a right to drugs, incest, gay marriage, open borders and no more agent of consent?


213 posted on 12/07/2012 2:40:30 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Ken H
Do you think the Second Amendment means that the right of 'local, state and national governments' to keep and bear arm shall not be infringed, YES or NO?

Yes. Can you provide a legitimate reason why people in government can't have the right to keep and bear arms?

You aren't very observant, are you? (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)

214 posted on 12/07/2012 4:42:43 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: Dead Corpse
Can't. Second Amendment and Art 6 Para 2 should be more than enough to stop that nonsense.

Illinois and many municipalities have severely restricted or banned possession of certain firearms.

215 posted on 12/07/2012 4:53:45 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: Alaska Wolf
Me: Do you think the Second Amendment means that the right of 'local, state and national governments' to keep and bear arm shall not be infringed, YES or NO?

You: Yes.

Me: Credit for giving a straight answer. Good luck with that position.

You: Can you provide a legitimate reason why people in government can't have the right to keep and bear arms?

People in government, as citizens with unalienable rights, have the RKBA. Governments don't have the RKBA. You're conflating what shouldn't be conflated.

Let's try the Tenth Amendment with your novel interpretation of the term 'people':

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the local, state and federal governments.

Do you not see how laughable your position is?

216 posted on 12/07/2012 5:08:28 PM PST by Ken H
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To: Ken H
Do you not see how laughable your position is?

No, I see how ignorant you are. Government is of the people, by the people, for the people,

217 posted on 12/07/2012 5:21:13 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: Alaska Wolf
So you're good with equating 'government' with 'people' in the Tenth Amendment?

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the government.

218 posted on 12/07/2012 5:37:39 PM PST by Ken H
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To: Ken H
Do you disagree with, Government is of the people, by the people, for the people?
219 posted on 12/07/2012 5:48:29 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: Alaska Wolf
Do you disagree with, Government is of the people, by the people, for the people?

In some cases, yes. For example, the Senate - as opposed to the House - was supposed to represent the States. The judiciary is supposed interpret according to Law, not popular sentiment.

I ask again, are you good with equating 'government' with 'people' in the Tenth Amendment?

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the government.

YES or NO?

220 posted on 12/07/2012 6:16:01 PM PST by Ken H
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