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Pentagon now preparing for massive cuts as fiscal negotiations appear stalled
FoxNews.com ^ | December 05, 2012 | FoxNews

Posted on 12/05/2012 1:18:22 PM PST by Ron C.

The Pentagon said Wednesday it is now preparing for billions of dollars in budget cuts should President Obama and congressional Republicans fail to reach an alternative plan by Jan. 1.

The move breaks from earlier statements that no plans were being made – a signal that difficulties reaching a deal are beyond the public stalemate or so-called “political theater” and that Washington officials are bracing for the worst.

Pentagon spokesman George Little said the Office of Management and Budget instructed the department to begin preparing for the roughly $500 billion cuts over the next 10 years – a situation resulting from both sides failing earlier to reach a more measured approach to cutting the country’s roughly $16 trillion deficit.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: defence
Another line from the piece:

"The Pentagon has yet to tell defense contractors about possible plans to eliminate programs or contracts."

There will be a lot of jobs lost and contractors going out of business.

Perhaps this is part of Obama's promise to the Russians, about being more 'flexible.'

1 posted on 12/05/2012 1:18:30 PM PST by Ron C.
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To: Ron C.

The only cuts we will ever see under Obama is from sequestration. And even then he will spend anyway,with EO’s, regulation and such.... just not quite as much.


2 posted on 12/05/2012 1:25:55 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker
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To: Ron C.

Just what the left has wanted for many years. Not to worry, the ruling elite will always be safe should we be attacked.


3 posted on 12/05/2012 1:29:26 PM PST by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11 0bie don' t eatl my dog!)
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To: Ron C.

We’re either broke or we’re not. And we’re broke.


4 posted on 12/05/2012 1:30:12 PM PST by Wolfie
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To: ColdOne

Don’t sweat it, our military will defend us. Of course, we’ll have to wait for them to come back from all over the rest of the world, but it shouldn’t take too long.


5 posted on 12/05/2012 1:31:47 PM PST by Wolfie
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To: Ron C.

I guess those layoff notices (as per the Worker Adjustment Retraining Notification Act) can go out now that the election is over.


6 posted on 12/05/2012 1:33:19 PM PST by capydick (''Life's tough.......it's even tougher if you're stupid.'')
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To: Ron C.

Are these “real world” cuts or Washington style reduction in increases?


7 posted on 12/05/2012 1:33:19 PM PST by Dapper 26
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To: Ron C.

Bye-bye P-8, LCS, AMW.


8 posted on 12/05/2012 1:35:43 PM PST by pabianice (washington, dc ..)
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To: Wolfie
"And we’re broke."

Yeah, about 16 times over broke, per some pundits - but, it's more like 35 to 40 times broke - that is, if we can get back to just even within 35 years.

Not to worry though - the grand plan will save us - one world government, one world currency, jack-boot government with machine guns on every corner.

9 posted on 12/05/2012 1:36:08 PM PST by Ron C.
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To: Ron C.

This BS show is only to cover up and place blame on the engineered crash that’s already long under way.

They always pull a similar charade around Christmas about something - the difference this time is it is about our very survival.


10 posted on 12/05/2012 1:36:29 PM PST by dk88 (Outlaw)
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To: Ron C.

That is the goal.


11 posted on 12/05/2012 1:38:47 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker
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To: Ron C.

THEY OWN IT.


12 posted on 12/05/2012 1:40:06 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (In the game of life, there are no betting limits)
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To: Dapper 26

If they did go into January this way....by summer of 2013, it’d be a fairly serious fall. You can figure in the DC region....at least 30k contractors and 10k GS workers in the first year from across various agencies/departments. Even if you survive the first year....there’s likely another cut in the spring of 2014 to occur.

So watch for massive housing issues in DC by the end of 2013 as people just hand the keys over and walk away because they will not be getting another job to match the former payscale. If the White House thinks it’s not a big deal...they probably guessed wrong.

There are ways that you could have come out over a ten-year period and done a simple budget cut each year and allowed people to retire or reshape the economy. This is not a simple cut...it will have a serious impact for the next four years.


13 posted on 12/05/2012 1:42:27 PM PST by pepsionice
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To: Ron C.
The word is spreading fast among the small businesses in the DC region that have support service contracts with DOD and its various agencies.

Layoffs have happened ~

14 posted on 12/05/2012 1:57:06 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Ron C.

Maybe now they can close some of those bases they’ve been wanting to close, but Congress wouldn’t let them.


15 posted on 12/05/2012 1:58:41 PM PST by DManA
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To: Dapper 26

These are cut cuts ~


16 posted on 12/05/2012 1:58:56 PM PST by muawiyah
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17 posted on 12/05/2012 2:03:02 PM PST by Nachum (The List is off the Google blacklist- www.nachumlist.com)
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18 posted on 12/05/2012 2:04:15 PM PST by Nachum (The List is off the Google blacklist- www.nachumlist.com)
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To: ColdOne

” the ruling elite will always be safe should we be attacked.”

Spirited: They are insane and have no sense of the terrible consequences that will befall them when finally they’ve managed to immolate their own people and societies. Who will take them in and protect them? The Chinese? Russians? Koreans? No, no, and no.


19 posted on 12/05/2012 2:08:41 PM PST by spirited irish
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To: pabianice

Actually you don’t see programs ended, you just see this huge salami slice of the same % of funding cut from each and every program and budget line.


20 posted on 12/05/2012 2:15:50 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: Ron C.
Why is it that the ONLY government department who’s funding is mandated by the Constitution and that can actually account for every penny it spends is the one who has to take the brunt of the cuts?

The department of education can’t account for over half of it’s funding every year.

Health and human services has over a trillion dollar budget, but no let’s not trim some of that fat.

There are dozens of long obsolete federal commissions who’s commissioners each earn a six or more figure salary for doing absolutly nothing productive.

All of these useless oxygen theiving congress critters and their collective staffs should go without pay before the military sees one dollar of cuts IMO.

21 posted on 12/05/2012 3:19:53 PM PST by 2CAVTrooper (Slaving away so obama supporting deadbeats can play)
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To: Ron C.

“Pentagon now preparing for massive cuts as fiscal negotiations appear stalled”

Considering the direction in which the military has been going during the last four years — women on submarines, gay marriage at West Point, and probably much more — I’d just as soon see the military “cut back” for now.

Put things on ice for the next four years. This assumes that at some point in the near-distant future, the Republicans will regain control over the government, and then restore the military to a “pre-Obama status quo”. That’s what I’d -like- to believe, but I’m not optimistic that that’s actually going to happen...


22 posted on 12/05/2012 3:22:40 PM PST by Road Glide
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
THEY OWN IT.

You know that, and I know that, but unfortunately, the media will place all of the blame on the mean, evil Republicans who don't want to raise taxes on the rich.....and the sheeple will believe every word of it.

23 posted on 12/05/2012 3:27:28 PM PST by GreenHornet
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To: GreenHornet
the media will place all of the blame on the mean, evil Republicans who don't want to raise taxes on the rich.....and the sheeple will believe every word of it.

So? If GOP caves then the Dems win by getting what they wanted. If GOP stands and gets blame, then any possible change will not happen until 2014 and then the Dems will have to win to take over. I'd rather make them win the 2014 House than give them what they want now.

24 posted on 12/05/2012 4:06:14 PM PST by AmusedBystander (The philosophy of the school room in one generation will be the philosophy of government in the next)
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To: 2CAVTrooper

“Why is it that the ONLY government department who’s funding is mandated by the Constitution...”

Duh, because it’s the one that makes Pubs look like hypocrites.

By the way, defense isn’t “mandated.” Empowered is more like it. The Constitution exists in part to provide for a common defense, according to itself. But we don’t need to use it. It’s just there if we need it. There was no standing army in the early years of the Republic.

Certainly what we have now is not necessary for defense. I don’t know what you call it, but Constitutional defense ain’t it. World police is closest, I guess.


25 posted on 12/05/2012 4:17:24 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: Road Glide
"I’d just as soon see the military “cut back” for now. - Put things on ice for the next four years."

World events will likely overtake any of that, and all too soon. We have a world headed toward global conflict in the not distant future - so it is not a time to scale back our military.

26 posted on 12/05/2012 4:18:04 PM PST by Ron C.
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To: 2CAVTrooper
"...a six or more figure salary for doing absolutly nothing productive."

Yes, we have thousands upon thousands of government employees doing nothing really useful.

Whether we (or the Democrats) like it or not, we can't continue to support such nonsense. We have a major world conflict already underway, whether the news media covers it as such is irrelevant. It's upon the world, and will continue to escalate with ever increasing urgency.

27 posted on 12/05/2012 4:23:20 PM PST by Ron C.
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To: GreenHornet

I expect the Drive-bys will hammer Republicans for not following Obama into High Tax Nirvana as a solution to present ills.

I say, let em chatter. Fewer Americans buy what they’re selling every day.

This president has created the crisis. He owns it.


28 posted on 12/05/2012 4:46:49 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (In the game of life, there are no betting limits)
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To: Wolfie

“Don’t sweat it, our military will defend us. Of course, we’ll have to wait for them to come back from all over the rest of the world, but it shouldn’t take too long.”

I know that was /s on your part.

I’ve participated in many an exercise where we had 24 hours to ‘bug out’ from wherever we were to other locales in Europe or back to the States.

I’m pretty sure today’s military can’t do it in 24 hours, what with the ‘boys’ packing up their makeup kits and all that chit. *Rolleyes*

*SMIRK* I LOATHE what MY military has become!


29 posted on 12/05/2012 7:22:05 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: Ron C.

This debacle could have been avoided if Boehner et al hadn’t caved back in 2011.


30 posted on 12/05/2012 7:24:54 PM PST by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: Tublecane

“Certainly what we have now is not necessary for defense.”

You sound like one of those ron paul isolationist types.

Isolationism is not a sound policy, nor is having a smaller military.


31 posted on 12/09/2012 2:21:39 PM PST by 2CAVTrooper (Slaving away so obama supporting deadbeats can play)
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To: Road Glide

Actually a pre-clinton status quo.

Total ban on gays

Return to pre-1992 troop / equipment levels.


32 posted on 12/09/2012 2:32:44 PM PST by 2CAVTrooper (Slaving away so obama supporting deadbeats can play)
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To: 2CAVTrooper

“Isolationism is not a sound policy, nor is having a smaller military”

I won’t argue the first point, because that would be pointless. But you don’t think it could be smaller, even? Or must we keep finding Iraqs and Afghanistans to invade forever?


33 posted on 12/10/2012 6:52:26 AM PST by Tublecane
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To: Tublecane
... must we keep finding Iraqs and Afghanistans to invade forever?

I have a cheaper solution. If people attacks us, ...Bomb them back to where they started (and many still live), the dark ages!


34 posted on 12/10/2012 7:03:18 AM PST by WVKayaker ("Hang in there, America. Fight for what is right." - Sarah Palin 11/7/12)
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To: Ron C.

Obama’s Communist Method.


35 posted on 12/10/2012 7:22:48 AM PST by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: WVKayaker

I agree with that.

I’ve been saying since 2001 that we should have nuked the savages.

Every major muzzie population center, religious sites, and known terrorist hideouts such as tora bora should have been vaporized within 45 minutes of the second tower being hit.


36 posted on 12/10/2012 12:59:30 PM PST by 2CAVTrooper (Slaving away so obama supporting deadbeats can play)
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To: Tublecane

No.

The military should not be smaller. Even with our superior technology, a smaller military would relegate us to being on perpetual defense thus MORE likely to be in more conflicts not less.

We need to be back to pre- 1992 drawdown levels in troops and equipment.

Post WW1 drawdown saw us totally unprepared for WW2, and our troops lacking adequate equipment and training got slaughtered at Kasserine Pass.

Post WW2 drawdown saw the 400 men of TF Smith being thrown into battle and quickly overrun because of the lack of adequate equipment.

Post Korea drawdown brought us the Ia Drang valley where once again our troops didn’t have what they needed.

The post Vietnam drawdown caused the soviets (and pretty much everyone else) in 1979 to view us as weak. In November 1979, our embassy in tehran got sacked and a month later the soviets strolled into afghanistan.

The post Cold War drawdown brought us a military that was totally unprepared for 9/11 and what followed in the months following.


37 posted on 12/10/2012 1:50:15 PM PST by 2CAVTrooper (Slaving away so obama supporting deadbeats can play)
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