Posted on 12/02/2012 7:53:32 AM PST by joesjane
SAN BERNARDINO (CBSLA.com) — The city attorney of San Bernardino is under scrutiny for telling residents to “lock their doors and load their guns” during a city council meeting.
The official explained that because the city is bankrupt and slashing public safety budgets people will need to start protecting themselves.
(Excerpt) Read more at losangeles.cbslocal.com ...
That’s right, you irresponsible ********, “slash” public safety, the primary duty of local government, but keep on feeding the pension and welfare monsters.
>>he saying this to scare more tax dollars out of the residents? <<
Yes. When liberal municipalities or states run out of OPM, (note Conservatives ones don’t) they immediately slash: NOT welfare and other entitlements but safety, fire, police, etc.
I read in a thread here about one city that won’t send police to a crime unless “blood is involved.”
liberals don’t care about people, they care about power and control=more OPM.
Actually, it’s good advice for anyone.
Normally I would automatically assume the same thing but it appears the libs really hate this guy, he has REALLY pissed them off with the suggestion that people defend themselves lol.
I agree,
thank goodness my dad is a tough old guy who has done so. I really wish he would move the hell out of there!!!
I would really like to see government take a very lenient attitude to any homeowner who shoots a stranger who has wandered onto the homeowner’s property. Trespassing should not be an automatic death sentence — I do want deliverymen to come to my house — but the bar should be pretty low for home defense. That would make burglars really re-think their line of work.
A slow motion collapse into chaos.
Heat up the frog slowly.
..and in other headlines:
“San Bernardino has had a dramatic drop in the crime rate this last week.”.
If the city is truly and formally bankrupt, they can start peeling-back on the compensation for current and retired city employees under the supervision of the Bankruptcy court.
If they don’t do that, this is all just posturing in a scheme to raise taxes.
/johnny
He forgot to say: "And Open Your Wallets ..."
Lol, I know....right? So freaking obvious it drives me crazy!
They have. They are being sued by CALPERS for not paying $4.5 million in pensions.
The County is suing them for a few million for unpaid County services.
The City Attorney is always saying inflammatory and controversial things.
The City of San Bernardino is very dysfunctional.
Well, like I have been telling everyone...elections have consequences. (I am sure a lot of people have been using the same response).
Coming to a state near you. Bank on it!
I thought Prop 30 was supposed to handle all the possible lay offs.Heavily supported by the unions to raise our taxes and the dufus public went along with it.
Keep asking to have your taxes raised folks.They have you right where they want you.
Big deal. If some city attorney told people to lock their doors and load their guns in Arizona, he would get funny looks, and somebody would say “and...?”, utterly puzzled at why he was giving common sense advice.
The bottom line is that police and other LEOs are just a convenience, to keep up a 24/7 pressure on the bad guys, and to spend time “policing up and pursuing” after the fact.
Every citizen has an implied responsibility with their second amendment right to bear arms, that if they are capable, they are to promulgate order and civility, prevent crime and interfere with criminals as they see fit.
And with this implied responsibility comes considerably more latitude to do so than is allowed for police and other LEOs. The public are not required to read Miranda rights, or to attempt arrest beyond an oral warning; if they need to incapacitate or kill someone committing a felony, to a great extent they are free to do so.
An armed citizenry almost guarantees greater civility and less crime. So it is a grand idea under any circumstances, even in a godforsaken place like California.
According to this article San Bernadino,a city of 209,000 (I looked it up),had 43 murders in the first 11 months of the year.OTOH,New York City (population 8 million) had 193 murders in the first 6 months of 2012 (I looked it up).Kinda makes me glad I don’t live in San Bernadino.
The People's Republic of California never ceases to amaze and surprise me.
I watched that new movie “Fire with Fire” with Bruce Willis in it. In one scene he got really pi$$ed at a US Marshall over a witness to one case he’d been pursuing since his partner was killed by an Aryan Leader Maniac (the new Muslims, I guess). The witness figured out he’d have to kill the Aryan Leader if he and his girlfriend were to ever be safe.
Bruce, the police lieutenant, went ballistic talking to the Marshall...He said, “let the witness stay with me! I have a Beretta, I have a Ruger Single Six, I have a Remington Tactical Shotgun, I’ll protect his ass if you pussies can’t.”
I kinda chuckled.....that ‘armory’ was just about half of what I keep under one side of one of my pillows! Ha Ha....
Especially when the police want you to comply with a thugs request and not resist as reported earlier this week on FR.
How dare he tell people to protect themselves? How many burgers and looters will get injured because of him? The sheeple are supposed to quietly submit.
How dare he tell people to protect themselves? How many burgers and looters will get injured because of him? The sheeple are supposed to quietly submit.
If every home had loaded arms and ready residents in it, the crime rate would be quite manageable.
It’s a crisis!! We need to take more of your money!!
But, remember, since it’s kali you can load no more than 10 rounds. You might go to jail while the “bad” guys empty your house before you can empty your 10 rd max magazine. Probably a tax on your stay in jail too.
Share the lead.
“Yes. When liberal municipalities or states run out of OPM, (note Conservatives ones don’t) they immediately slash: NOT welfare and other entitlements but safety, fire, police, etc.”
While as a general truth, what you say applies to state government in spades, the cities, OTOH don’t spend their money on welfare and they do have “contracts” which preclude unilateral reductions in benes to their employees. I’ve read extensively about the current spate of municipal bankruptcies here in California and the one thing that they have in common is that they “public safety” employment is at least 80% of their budgets. So, in a nutshell, when they run out of money, they have no option but to cut the cops. The firefighters are another deal because here they usually have independent FP districts that are separate from the municipal government. The real issue is what we are going to pay cops going forward, what they get in retirement, and when they retire. Now, it’s at age 50 with a full ride into eternity and that just can’t stand. I recall in Vallejo, that a police lieutenent was getting $311k per year in pay and benefits, and he could sail off into the sunset at 50 with most of that staying with him.
“Yes. When liberal municipalities or states run out of OPM, (note Conservatives ones don’t) they immediately slash: NOT welfare and other entitlements but safety, fire, police, etc.”
While as a general truth, what you say applies to state government in spades, the cities, OTOH don’t spend their money on welfare and they do have “contracts” which preclude unilateral reductions in benes to their employees. I’ve read extensively about the current spate of municipal bankruptcies here in California and the one thing that they have in common is that they “public safety” employment is at least 80% of their budgets. So, in a nutshell, when they run out of money, they have no option but to cut the cops. The firefighters are another deal because here they usually have independent FP districts that are separate from the municipal government. The real issue is what we are going to pay cops going forward, what they get in retirement, and when they retire. Now, it’s at age 50 with a full ride into eternity and that just can’t stand. I recall in Vallejo, that a police lieutenent was getting $311k per year in pay and benefits, and he could sail off into the sunset at 50 with most of that staying with him.
You’re right, those people have their priorities completely inverted. Terminal case of cranial-rectal co-location syndrome.
Only in a liberal (socialist) state like Caliphoney woud a public official, especially a city or county attorney be “Under Scrutiny” for telling the citizenry to protect themselves.
San Bernardino is the poorest city of its population size in California, and the second poorest in the US next to Detroit, Michigan.
Surely there are areas that can be cut back rather than the safety and security of S.B.'s citizens. City government waste? Unsustainable pensions, a small cut there?
>>While as a general truth, what you say applies to state government in spades, the cities, OTOH don’t spend their money on welfare and they do have “contracts” <<
I thought you might be wrong but I looked up Los Angeles’ budget and sure enough 72% goes to Police (55%) and Fire (17%). And, having just moved from there, I can tell you that you can’t get a cop to come to your house inside an hour even if it is a multiple murder scene.
This city attorney is simply telling the truth.
“I thought Prop 30 was supposed to handle all the possible lay offs.”
Surely you gest! Prop 30 was “supposed to be for the children,” but when you read it, in had no internal constraints on where Jerry the Fairy could spend the money. He will spend in trying to shore up the state pensions, but it’s too little too late there too. Our state government is scrounging for money everywhere. I own property with an elevator. Now the “inspector” comes every 18 months instead of yearly, the permit fee has doubled and, he always finds something that I will need to spend money on with our service contractor after 12 years of finding nothing. Last time, we had to clean the cobwebs from the walls of the elevator shaft under penalty and time limit. We had it done, sent in the paperwork on time, an yet still received a threatening letter accusing us of not doing the “work” within the prescribed timeframe and proposing a stiff penalty . Now, just like the cops ticketing aggressively, we have all manner of “public service” agencies doing the same thing.They are all scared shitless that the gravy train is crapping out and they are going to have to give up their pampered existence.
You are right, good advice all the time. People need to realize that fundamentally we are all responsible for our own safety. Increasingly, the thin veneer of “protection” provided by police is being eroded by criminal-loving liberals, inverted budget priorities, and ever more emboldened criminals. My doors are always locked, there is always a loaded firearm within reach. I carry a loaded firearm with me in my vehicle. (legal in my state, even without a cc permit - which I am still waiting for the {expletive} paperwork to clear on) Liberals would try to smear this kind of behavior and belittle me as fearful and a gun nut. Far from it, I fear no man. I don’t live in fear because I an prepared to defend myself and my family, friends, and neighbors.
“According to this article San Bernadino,a city of 209,000 (I looked it up),had 43 murders in the first 11 months of the year.OTOH,New York City (population 8 million) had 193 murders in the first 6 months of 2012 (I looked it up).Kinda makes me glad I don’t live in San Bernardino.”
The difference, one word, “illegals.” Like most of Southern California, San Bernardino is Mexico City. They say that at least 10% of the poplulation of Mexico lives in the US, and most of those live in SoCal.
Many communities have volunteer fire departments. Can we import that idea into policing? Must every officer be an employee?
“Especially when the police want you to comply with a thugs request and not resist as reported earlier this week on FR.”
Well, the problem is solved in San Berdo. There aren’t going to be any cops to tell the citizens anything in the not too distant future. We are looking at the new model, self reliance. My guess is that we will find that it works better than the old since the perps will get “speedy justice,” instead of clogging up the courts and the prisons.
I hear you loud and clear. Again, California is the canary in the mine.
Great post! I keep hoping that we on freerepublic are just a small percentage of other individuals who understand the principles you have laid out.
Most people do not understand the purpose of the 2nd Amendment.
If you have time, check out some of the comments to the article and some other pages where people are commenting to the story. So far it seems to me that there are many who feel the same way we do.
I did not see that story. Now it is stuff like that, that pisses me off! There is no way in hell I will ever do that.
Wrong... and first it should be noted that what some might call "trespass", others might call "license". Meter readers, public inspectors, utility company employees, surveyors, etc all have legal rights to enter upon property... so be sure you're following the Four Rules for Firearms Safety, most especially "Know your target (and what's behind it)".
(I've been shot at 3 times going onto land along my employers' utility easements.)
Secondly, and more importantly, our laws have very clearly noted that deadly force can NOT be used to defend property. "Imminent threat of lethal harm or grave bodily injury" (like rape) is the standard... and taking your TV does not count.
This nation was founded on a few ideals that even we conservatives seem to be leaving behind... "Better to let 10 guilty go free than to convict one innocent man"... and... "no mere possession is worth a man's life".
I will have to disagree with you.
People who access my property such as service providers (mail, power, water, avon, etc) are not trespassers.
As for knowing my target....you have no need to worry about that on my end. NFI
As for no man’s life being worth a tv, feel free to apply that to your life however I will not.
You come on my property with any criminal intent and I will kill you. No warning shot, no non-lethal shot period.
If I go to prison then I go to prison but that is my choice as a free woman of this country.
It is better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
Consequences have consequences.
I like to follow up on the citizens’ responsibilities, by pointing out that in the Colonial period, policing was provided by elected Sheriffs and the militia. It was expected that able bodied men were armed and willing to respond to anything from an Indian attack, to a hue and cry to stop a criminal.
Only later were additional police organizations created, starting with the municipal night watch becoming a day watch as well as municipal police, and the creation of US Marshals who would pursue criminals across borders, fleeing one Sheriff’s jurisdiction for another.
Police weren’t really turned into paramilitaries until after the Civil War. Only gradually did the citizenry forget their responsibilities to be the first line of defense.
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