I consider it (oursourcing) downright evil.
Its just greed. It goes way beyond that, but that is part of it.
IMHO thats what the slave wage pay at a fast food place is as well.
I know that some people look at it that way, and I can even understand why they do. At the end of the day though, there are a lot of reasons why the pay scale is what it is. It's not slave wages, nor is it the least bit unfair.
Slaves are owned. They are forced to work for free. They get room and board. They are fed. They are clothed. End of story. Referencing wages paid at McDonalds, as slave wages is so incredibly dismissive of what slavery was/is, that it's beneath you to make that reference.
1. People don't have to work at McDonalds. They choose to.
2. McDonalds is in business to make money, but in order to make money they have to fill a nitch market that only supports minimalist wages.
3. People don't live on McDonald's food. They go there once in a while as a treat. They don't have to. There are a number of issues they consider, when they decide to eat there or not.
4. McDonalds is a cheap place to go out for food. Driving up costs hurts people who don't have enough money to go to a higher class sit-down restaurant.
5. Increase the cost of a meal at a McDonalds actually hurts low income people. You'll price them out of the market base, if you aren't careful.
6. What happens if the cost of a McDonald's meal goes up from $7.50 to $15.00? Will McDonalds sell as many meals? Will it need as many employees? Will it maintain as many units?
7. Will low income people have as many choices, if fast food reaturants raise prices and or shut down?
8. Will low income people be able to eat out as often, if McDonald's increases it's prices?
9. Sure McDonald's can pay people more. There are some important reasons why they don't.
10. What makes you think McDonald's makes more money if it pays employees less money? Can't McDonald's keep it's profit margin the same, just raise prices? The answer is yes, it can. The down side is, there will be half as many customers. They will be half as many employees. There will be half as many McDonald's around. There will be half as many choices for people who frequent McDonald's.
What was that about 'slave-wages'?
I read this thread and saw the contempt for people struggling to get by.
Oh for heaven's sake... I worked at a McDonalds and a Jack-in-the-Box for several years when I was in high school. My skill set was non-existant. My work ethic was not stellar. I got paid what I was worth. It was $1.35 an hour. As a freshman in high school, I earned $0.49 cents an hour at a boarding school working in the kitchen. Big freakin deal. It was either that or raise tuition.
Do you have any idea at all where this 'labor rally' is headed, what their goals are? What do you think, they're going to increase pay a few bucks and hour and call it a day? No! They'll force fast food restaurants to pay $15 to $20 dollars an hour. They force all sorts of employee benefits. They'll force employers to hire people, employ them, and keep them on when they aren't worth crap. And then you get to retirements, employee health insurance, months off for vacation..., it never ends.
Contempt for people? I have contempt for unions. They are not there to help people. They are there to F with capitalists business establishments, bamboozle workers into signing up as union members, and using thier dues to support more Al Gores, John Kerry's, Barack Obamas, and worse.
They don't give a flying fig about the employees. Look at the employees who worked for Hostess. They're gone. The union still exists. Look at the union support for illegal immigrants rights, flying in the face of the fact that those illegal are taking jobs that used to be unionized. Why are you sympathizing with these enemies of our Republic?
This is the same forum that regularly bashes welfare recipients and yet heres a group of people working an honest job for a Corp that is worth who knows how much and its somehow offensive that the workers try to get more money.
Wow, have you ever had a quadruple helping of the Leftist swill. Are you reading that, or do you know it so well by heart, you just rattle it off on your own now?
BTW: I don't think anyone here is adverse to helping someone down on their luck. We are loath to support a family for generations who members never go out and work. This nation is paying out over $1 trillion dollars a year right now for Welfare. That doesn't even count unemployment insurance and other freebies. Bashing some of that? You bet your ass!
I hate to say it but the attitude of some of the conservatives here toward struggling workers may be why were losing everywhere.
Well, you know, I am having to struggle against my natural Conservative instincts here, but you really are somewhat lost in space. The emphasis in our nation is on free enterprise. It's not on creating the next 'workers paradise'.
People can choose where they work. They can either take the job or not. They can come up with their own business. My hope is, that if they do, they don't have to jump through the hoops you and the 'workers paradise' ass-hat clowns will set up for them.
With all due respect, what you think you want, will actually hurt the people you profess to have sympathy for, and want to help.
You're going down the wrong road.
posted on 12/01/2012 9:05:41 PM PST
(Hurricane Sandy..., a week later and over 60 million Americans still didn't have power.)
posted on 12/01/2012 9:27:20 PM PST
“Why are you sympathizing with these enemies of our Republic? “
Because I think wage busting is as big an enemy as unions. There wouldn’t be unions had they not become necassary. To a large degree they’ve outlived their usefullness.
Any CEO will tell you straight out that their only goal is to make money, if that means outsourcing then they outsource, if it means paying substandard wages and they can get away with it then they do that as well.
I heard the outsource argument that said companies moved overseas because unions broke them, but if it were just about pay and bennies why not just move to a right to work state.
The middle class is largely gone and that’s not going to come back if the policy is that large Corps can pay whatever they feel like paying the workers.
It may seem radical to you but I believe that somebody working a fulltime job is justified in having a reasonable expectation that they can feed, clothe, and house themselves.
Not in grand style, but where they don’t still need assistance.
BTW I thought a lot of posts on this thread were more than anti union, they were anti working people.
Go forward with that message and see how many people it converts to any conservative cause.
posted on 12/01/2012 9:29:47 PM PST
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