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Boehner - Filibuster rule change bills 'dead on arrival'
Washington Times ^ | 11-29

Posted on 11/29/2012 9:03:06 PM PST by Arthurio

House Speaker John Boehner, Ohio Republican, made it clear that any bill that came to the House from the upper chamber as a result of Senate Democrats changing the rules on the filibuster would be "dead on arrival." In a statement released from Speaker Boehner's office, the Ohio GOP'er remarked:

“Senate Democrats’ attempt to break Senate rules in order to change Senate rules is clearly designed to marginalize Senate Republicans and their constituents while greasing the skids for controversial partisan measures. I question the wisdom of this maneuver, especially at a time when cooperation on Capitol Hill is critical, and fully support Leader McConnell’s efforts to protect minority rights, which are an essential part of our constitutional tradition. Any bill that reaches a Republican-led House based on Senate Democrats’ heavy-handed power play would be dead on arrival.”

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1 posted on 11/29/2012 9:03:12 PM PST by Arthurio
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To: All

Well, that’s good.. but I think the bigger aim of Nuking the filibuster is to pack the courts with extreme leftists.


2 posted on 11/29/2012 9:04:41 PM PST by Arthurio
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To: Arthurio

It’s like being around 550 million years ago and witnessing the emergence of the first chordates.


3 posted on 11/29/2012 9:09:30 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: Arthurio
Bonehead Boehner is posturing before he takes a dive. Idiot.
4 posted on 11/29/2012 9:15:54 PM PST by MasterGunner01
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To: Arthurio

OMG Boner is showing a backbone?


5 posted on 11/29/2012 9:19:53 PM PST by entropy12 (The republic is doomed when people figure out they can get free stuff by voting democrats)
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To: Arthurio

Yeah, well, talk is cheap Boner.

Go threaten to kick Harry’s @ss and then maybe I’ll believe ya.


6 posted on 11/29/2012 9:24:55 PM PST by technically right
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To: Arthurio

Damn well better be DOA


7 posted on 11/29/2012 9:26:11 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: Arthurio; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy; ...
RE :”Any bill that reaches a Republican-led House based on Senate Democrats’ heavy-handed power play would be dead on arrival.”

I don't think this means anything, another empty threat as Bohner has a history of caving.

The reason why Dems would change those rules now is to embarrass the Senate R minority by pitting them between general voters and their primary opponents in an attempt to keep the Senate in 2016.

The Senate minority would have to really filibuster on public display to kill a bill with <50 unless they had significant Dem defectors, That would be used against them in the general election, And Reid is great as forcing those votes

8 posted on 11/29/2012 9:28:06 PM PST by sickoflibs (Has Bohner caved to Obama again yet?)
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To: Arthurio

...would be “dead on arrival.”

Those mean old Republicans. No wonder nothing gets done in Washington. /s (Let’s hope that it is true!)


9 posted on 11/29/2012 9:43:23 PM PST by 21twelve (So I [God] gave them over to their stubborn hearts to follow their own devices. Psalm 81:12)
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To: entropy12

Yea. Like a broken clock.


10 posted on 11/29/2012 9:52:18 PM PST by MaxMax
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To: Arthurio

Beware America!!! Boner does this just before he gives away more American rights and freedoms.

We have no opposition party. It died when Reagan died.


11 posted on 11/29/2012 9:54:05 PM PST by EagleUSA
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To: Arthurio

I think he trys to sound tough, then gives in at the final bell. I think that because I can’t remember any battle he actually won with Obama.


12 posted on 11/29/2012 10:23:36 PM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today.)
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To: Arthurio

good john, maybe you might have learned something.

we’ll hold your feet to the fire to this statement.

and to whoever you borrowed the one ball from to get half a bag to say something like this, thanks for the donation.


13 posted on 11/29/2012 10:37:21 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Arthurio
Would you stop criticizing the leadership we have remaining, grow your own pair of balls,support the man's actions with positive comments, and show some faith that good will eventually triumph over this evil mess. Get over the fact that half the people in this country are idiots to ever vote for Obama who is a traitor to the nation. Support the speaker in his fight against the Senate democrats in any way possible and encourage him to stand firm and hold the line. Ignore the media and never give up the fight for the nation and freedom.
14 posted on 11/29/2012 11:06:16 PM PST by Mat_Helm
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To: Arthurio

Too bad. I want to get rid of the filibuster rule.

It cuts both ways.


15 posted on 11/30/2012 4:50:50 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Arthurio

Wellll...

the house can change the makeup of the judiciary, impeach judges and add or remove circuits of courts as they please..

perhaps the time has finally come for the house to do it’s job...


16 posted on 11/30/2012 5:00:34 AM PST by joe fonebone (The clueless... they walk among us, and they vote...)
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To: Mat_Helm

We have to ignore the MSM; and quit “hoping” they’ll change. It’s futile; for whatever reason, and the idea of ever being “popular” with them is a waste. MSM is a waste.


17 posted on 11/30/2012 5:13:59 AM PST by Twinkie (ABORTION is GENOCIDE of Blacks & Hispanics!)
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To: entropy12

I think the Republicans have FINALLY figured out that our president is attempting a Marxist takeover of the federal government. Republicans would not have much of a future in a communist government.


18 posted on 11/30/2012 5:22:33 AM PST by jpsb
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To: Mat_Helm

One problem with conservatism is it tends to be backward looking. We’re not going to return to the past. It isn’t possible. We win when we’re future looking and bring that positive vision into play.

Romney failed to convince American voters that he was a viable alternative to Obama. Women particularly rejected his message. Why?


19 posted on 11/30/2012 5:26:08 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Mat_Helm

Nicely said, I completely agree.


20 posted on 11/30/2012 5:26:35 AM PST by jpsb
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To: Arthurio

Why would the House have a vote on filibuster rules in the Senate? The filibuster is not in the Constitution either. McC complains about weaking it, but McC rarely uses it anyway. Neither did his predecessors. Senators don’t like to stay in session around the clock for real filibusters. McC and Boehner are total sell-outs, based on their past behavior.


21 posted on 11/30/2012 5:29:09 AM PST by Theodore R. ("Hey, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
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To: joe fonebone

The House can’t make such judicial changes now, for Reid would not bring them up. Depending on Boehner is as useless as a one-legged clothespin.


22 posted on 11/30/2012 5:31:07 AM PST by Theodore R. ("Hey, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
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To: Mat_Helm

OK, I see your point. We can “trust” Boehner but will he “verify”, in Reagan’s words, that trust?


23 posted on 11/30/2012 5:32:31 AM PST by Theodore R. ("Hey, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
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To: Theodore R.

in regards to the judiciary, the house does not need the senate to do these things.. if they choose to impeach a judge, then it goes to the senate for trial, but to redistrict and rearrange the courts, the senate has no say, nor does fubo...

this power is delegated to the house alone


24 posted on 11/30/2012 5:52:17 AM PST by joe fonebone (The clueless... they walk among us, and they vote...)
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To: Arthurio

Every time I read that Boehner’s speaking I envision a yapping chihuahua.


25 posted on 11/30/2012 5:56:23 AM PST by Whats-wrong-with-the-truth
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To: Arthurio

Never would have thought it would require legislation to change Senate rules. Couldn’t the Senate just handle such rule changes internally?(with 60 votes of course)


26 posted on 11/30/2012 6:29:26 AM PST by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: Mat_Helm

Well said.

We never support these guys when they try to make at least a stab at doing the right thing, so why should they care about our opinion (which is always negative)? Negativity has gotten us where we are today, which is not a good thing.


27 posted on 11/30/2012 6:34:50 AM PST by livius
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To: xzins

Yes, the filibuster can be a very nasty weapon in the hands of the Dems, but we certainly don’t need them changing the rule now when it is our only defense.

It’s pretty obvious that the Dems are expecting the GOP, even in the Senate, to stand up and fight back this time around and want to eliminate any possibility of their doing so.


28 posted on 11/30/2012 6:39:10 AM PST by livius
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To: livius

The republicans will cave in. That’s what republicans do. So, it really doesn’t matter if the filibuster gets jettisoned. With it or without it, the democrats will gain due to our spineless, supposedly, “severely” conservative party that gave us a loser, liberal presidential candidate.

At least we could get the end of the filibuster out of all this phony republican tough talk.


29 posted on 11/30/2012 6:53:10 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: 1010RD

You aren’t going to like the answer, but I will give it.

Until the Republicans drop their obsession with abortion, they will lose the vote among women.


30 posted on 11/30/2012 7:55:55 AM PST by justlurking (tagline removed, as demanded by Admin Moderator)
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To: sickoflibs

If I were in D.C., I would have DESTROYED Reid by now. The R’s are cowards.


31 posted on 11/30/2012 8:19:56 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker
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To: justlurking

You’re correct, but it isn’t their obsession with abortion, but their obsession with zero tolerance absolutism. Whenever you have sharp disagreement on an issue in a republic you need education, argumentation and time. I’d employ the same strategy that is used against gun control.

Can’t we agree that at some point during a pregnancy the baby becomes human? Work back from the point of passage through the birth canal. Is a baby human a minute before? An hour before? A day before? A week? Then a month? How many months?

Women are sensitive about their sex organ and their uniquely feminine issues with it. Stating that rape is “of God” will lose that vote. Placing the emphasis on the baby as a living thing, places the onus on the pro-abortion side. Mourdock and Akin were fools. Had they explained their views logically and thoughtfully they’d have won.

The media is an extension of the progressive movement. But, it can be used to the benefit of conservatives. If they’re not stupid about it. The other problem are voters who take an all or nothing attitude toward politics. The history of politics is incrementalism v. revolution. Revolutions fail nearly always because all human action begins with a thought. The battles are always of ideas - physical weapons cannot defeat an idea. Look at history.


32 posted on 11/30/2012 8:20:21 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Theodore R.

” McC and Boehner are total sell-outs, based on their past behavior.”

Correct, and I expect both will get worse.


33 posted on 11/30/2012 8:22:10 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker
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To: 1010RD

I think you stated it very well. I would have written something similar, if I wasn’t using my phone.

But, it isn’t just the people you mentioned. The party is full of activists with the same absolutist attitude, and they prevent any compromise.

In all fairness, there are similar people on the other side, that will accept no compromise, either.


34 posted on 11/30/2012 8:32:39 AM PST by justlurking (tagline removed, as demanded by Admin Moderator)
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To: justlurking

Kinda like Lincoln and Slavery, eh?


35 posted on 11/30/2012 8:34:16 AM PST by rwilson99 (Please tell me how the words "shall not perish and have everlasting life" would NOT apply to Mary.)
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To: Arthurio

Correct me if I am wrong - but wouldn’t this be a Senate rules change - NOT legislation submitted to the House?

I don’t believe anyone can point me to the legislation establishing the filibuster in the Senate - because it isn’t legislation subject to passage by both houses of Congress and signed by the President.

The Constitution provides that...”Each House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings”.


36 posted on 11/30/2012 8:38:04 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: Mat_Helm

I understand the skepticism of many here and I do share that, but if Boehner does the right thing, then we need to support him like you said, but we still need to hold his feet to the fire and make sure he goes through with it. Maybe we should all call him and tell time to not cave and make a stand for us.


37 posted on 11/30/2012 9:06:16 AM PST by Nowhere Man (It is about time we re-enact Normandy, at the shores of the Potomac.)
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To: Arthurio
House Speaker John Boehner, Ohio Republican, made it clear that any bill that came to the House from the upper chamber as a result of Senate Democrats changing the rules on the filibuster would be "dead on arrival."

Dead on arrival?

Yah, right. Boehner the crybaby will fold quicker than a wet single ply of toilet paper, before he would ever stand in the way of the demoRATs or 0dumb0shit! All 0dumb0 has to do is to give Boehner/Boner another free pass to the tanning booth and Boehner will cry and then fold. What an a__hole for a majority leader. Could we swap Nazi Pelosi for Boehner/Boner ?

38 posted on 11/30/2012 10:37:09 AM PST by rcrngroup
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To: Mat_Helm

Great post.


39 posted on 11/30/2012 11:55:26 AM PST by yellowdoghunter
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To: allmendream
allmendream said: "Correct me if I am wrong - but wouldn’t this be a Senate rules change - NOT legislation submitted to the House?"

Yes, that is true.

However, our republic benefits from many checks and balances.

The power of a minority in the Senate was established by Senate rules and can be changed by the Senate whenever it wishes to change its own rules.

The power of the Republican MAJORITY in the House is established by the Constitution. Laws only take effect if both the Senate and the House approve and the bill is then signed by the President.

Boehner is making the statement that the power of the House will be used to maintain the power of the Republican minority in the Senate. Reid can ignore Boehner and proceed with changing the rules in the Senate.

What Reid cannot accomplish is forcing Boehner and the House majority to approve any bill passed by a simple majority in the Senate. Effectively, Boehner can "filibuster" any bill passed in the Senate by not bringing it up for a vote in the House or by having the Republican majority in the House vote against such a bill. The effect is the same; the bill passed in the Senate will fail to become law.

The exception to this power of a majority in the House involves those powers of the Senate which do not require any action by the House, such as the confirmation of Supreme Court Justices and other Presidential appointments or the ratification of Treaties.

I would be happy to see any level of obstruction possible by the House if it insured that the non-liberal majority on the Supreme Court is maintained.

40 posted on 11/30/2012 12:28:13 PM PST by William Tell
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To: justlurking

Correct, but the side that can consistently get 51%+ of their agenda passed wins, again and again.

Speaking of the failed history of revolutions: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/ML_EGYPT_CONSTITUTION_GLANCE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-11-29-20-23-22


41 posted on 11/30/2012 12:30:44 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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Thank you all very much!!
Woo hoo!! And we’re now over 98%!! Less than $1.7k to go!! We can do this.
Let's put this baby to bed!!

42 posted on 11/30/2012 12:34:00 PM PST by RedMDer (Please support Toys for Tots this CHRISTmas season.)
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To: William Tell

I see. Thanks for the clarification.

Any bill passed via the filibuster rule change will be DOA in the House.


43 posted on 11/30/2012 12:35:54 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: MasterGunner01; entropy12

This crap is getting old. Boehner has been a bonehead, but we need to support him when he says the right thing. People here are more interested in being negative than they are in addressing the real problems. The real problems being the WH, Reid, et al.


44 posted on 11/30/2012 12:39:17 PM PST by Perdogg (Rep. Tom McClintock (R-CA4) for President 2016)
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To: 1010RD

Because women are emotional not logical.


45 posted on 11/30/2012 12:40:57 PM PST by Perdogg (Rep. Tom McClintock (R-CA4) for President 2016)
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To: justlurking

It has nothing to do with abortion. Ever since women have been given the right to vote, they have looked towards govt as a provider in one way or another.

We had 20 years of pro-life presidents (Reagan, Bush I, Bush II) and not one of them denied a woman to an abortion.


46 posted on 11/30/2012 12:44:17 PM PST by Perdogg (Rep. Tom McClintock (R-CA4) for President 2016)
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To: justlurking

“Until the Republicans drop their obsession with abortion, they will lose the vote among women.”

After hearing from so many here that they refused to vote for Romney BECAUSE he supported abortion, I don’t think that will happen.

It’s pretty much what separates us from the leftist freaks.


47 posted on 11/30/2012 12:52:14 PM PST by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: treetopsandroofs

If married white women were the only ones allowed to vote in the last election, Romney would have kicked Obama ass.


48 posted on 11/30/2012 12:57:38 PM PST by Perdogg (Rep. Tom McClintock (R-CA4) for President 2016)
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To: Mat_Helm
Would you stop criticizing the leadership we have remaining, grow your own pair of balls,support the man's actions with positive comments, and show some faith that good will eventually triumph over this evil mess. Get over the fact that half the people in this country are idiots to ever vote for Obama who is a traitor to the nation. Support the speaker in his fight against the Senate democrats in any way possible and encourage him to stand firm and hold the line. Ignore the media and never give up the fight for the nation and freedom.

Support the man's actions? What actions? Talk is cheap, and Boehner talks a great talk; it's in the follow-through where he fails. I heard lots of great talk in the debt limit negotiations. All that great talk got us nowhere. That's why you see all this negativity and cynicism on FR.

I'll get excited when I actually see some results.

49 posted on 11/30/2012 1:06:17 PM PST by COBOL2Java (GOPe: Already prepping for their 2016 loss - Jeb Bush!)
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To: Perdogg
We had 20 years of pro-life presidents (Reagan, Bush I, Bush II) and not one of them denied a woman to an abortion.

That's correct. But, that hasn't stopped the left from demagoging every Republican on the threat that they might try. And, it is a factor in every US Senate election, due to their role in Supreme Court confirmations.

All you have to see is what happens when a Republican makes a comment like Akin did. It becomes national news. The state-run media turns it into an issue for every Republican candidate, who is put on the defensive. You aren't going to change that.

Look, I told the original poster that he wouldn't like it. I was wrong about him, but I was right about you.

Until the Republican party accepts the issue as settled and moves on, or forges a compromise with Democrats and finds a middle ground, they will continue to lose national elections -- because it will be resurrected every election as a "war on women" meme.

Of course, there aren't Democrats that will be willing to compromise, either. They have their own activists that would never let them.

My personal opinion about abortion is probably very close to yours. But, I consider economic issues to be far more important, and any chance the Republicans have to win on those issues are negated by their intransigence on abortion (and a couple of other issues).

Without a strong economy, we will go the way of Greece, and France, and the UK: stagnation, and eventually failure. If that occurs, abortion issues will be the least of our worries.

50 posted on 11/30/2012 1:18:34 PM PST by justlurking (tagline removed, as demanded by Admin Moderator)
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