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1 posted on 11/29/2012 3:10:56 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

The photos of the “researchers” are very revealing. It looks more like a frat party, than a government research lab, but perhaps I’m confusing the two.


2 posted on 11/29/2012 3:28:23 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: neverdem

- The Big Bang Theory will always need technical consultants
- This is what happens when you discard that pesky unreal root
- They can cut their losses and put the LHC on Craigslist


3 posted on 11/29/2012 3:33:11 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: neverdem

“Science is this wonderfully self-correcting enterprise,”

Translation: Science is always guessing


4 posted on 11/29/2012 3:38:24 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: neverdem

“Of course, it is disappointing,” Shifman said. “We’re not gods. We’re not prophets. In the absence of some guidance from experimental data, how do you guess something about nature”

Well I guess they’re just going to have to go back to some of that Religious business again to get more ideas without actually crediting God for their inspirations...(sarcasm on)

Scientists need to get a clue...they need to include this equation into their algorithms if they ever want to get anywhere new and mind blowing... alpha=omega “the first and last”.


5 posted on 11/29/2012 3:38:57 PM PST by mdmathis6 ("Barry" Xmas to all and have a rapaciously taxable New Year!)
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To: neverdem
The competing Blue Laser projects imagined the winner would earn gazillions of bucks selling CD-like devices cut and read with blue lasers.

Then, someone won the race and all the losing physicists turned to other pursuits such as day-trading. Applying their minds to the trivial problems of moving money, stocks, bonds and derivatives around, they crashed all world markets in mere days creating the current eternal recession!

When the supersymmetry physicists move on, they possibly can get into some field that will reverse the recession!

Of note, the internet appears to have eaten away at all the potential blue laser profits, and is busily carving up cable TV

6 posted on 11/29/2012 3:49:53 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: neverdem
In John Horgan's book, The End of Science( 1996, ) he has a section in Chapter Three, The End of Physics, headed Feynman's Gloomy Prophecy. This was namely that particle physics would stagnate and "the philosopher's would take over". Horgan writes, "Feynman's vision was uncannily on target. He erred only in thinking that it would be millenia, not decades, before the philosophers closed in."

This is a great book, required reading.

18 posted on 11/29/2012 5:00:15 PM PST by dr_lew
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To: neverdem
Interesting the degree to which scientists rely on their aesthetic sense to discern scientific truth and weigh the validity of competing theories. It's just a real interesting universe we live in where truth and beauty seem to be so linked up.
19 posted on 11/29/2012 5:02:32 PM PST by Yardstick
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To: neverdem

Too early for them to be hitting the wall right now, they will hit it one day however.


22 posted on 11/29/2012 5:27:23 PM PST by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin......Nuff said.)
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To: neverdem
While it focuses on disappointment, I liked the article. This is science working as it is intended to, a self correcting mechanism, and scientists themselves accepting that fact.

These people put their professional lives to work on a theory and all they can say now is that it is wrong. That isn't a complete waste of life, because at least we now know it is wrong, but that is not something to cheer people up. But they seem to be handling it well. I prefer scientists acting like this than the thousands of political scientists who juggle the data any which way is necessary to get a grant, and will waste a career promoting junk science.

23 posted on 11/29/2012 5:35:22 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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Dr. Frederick Frankenstein: Nothing.

Inga: Oh, Doctor, I'm sorry.

Dr. Frederick Frankenstein: No. No. Be of good cheer. If science teaches us anything, it teaches us to accept our failures, as well as our successes, with quiet dignity and grace.

24 posted on 11/29/2012 5:37:35 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: El Gato; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Robert A. Cook, PE; lepton; LadyDoc; jb6; tiamat; PGalt; Dianna; ...
European Agency's Final Verdict on Controversial GM Study: Not Scientifically Sound

Protein's destructive journey in brain may cause Parkinson's

A Step Toward a Universal Cancer Blood Test

Robert Lustig’s “Sugar: The Bitter Truth” lecture "Fructose is ethanol without the buzz." Lustig is down on sucrose too because it's part fructose.It's almost 90 minutes, very well spent.

High fructose corn syrup and diabetes prevalence: A global perspective the original PDF

High-fructose corn syrup linked to type 2 diabetes

On the thread of the last link comment# 22 links a press release about rats getting fat on HFCS even though that diet had the same number of calories as rats that didn't get fat while also drinking a 10 % sucrose solution. Comment# 49 has a link about non-alcoholic steatohepatitis, NASH, aka non-alcoholic fatty liver disease, NAFLD, attributed to excess fructose. It correlates well with the use of HFCS. Comment# 62 has a link about the biochemistry and metabolism of fructose. Comment# 86 has the abstract about rats getting fat on HFCS with isocaloric diets compared to rats not getting HFCS. Comment# 88 has an abstract that shows lousy quality control in making beverages with HFCS-55. The concentration range was 47 - 65%.

FReepmail me if you want on or off my health and science ping list.

27 posted on 11/29/2012 6:19:47 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem

——But there is little to build on. -——

Then there is the real problem that there is a new but unpredicted particle and what do do with it or about it. The discovery is the particle the Sheldon described in a paper out of Cal Tech.

The Sheldon seems to be predictable on some levels but not understood at all on other levels. The Sheldon provides something to build on but popped up so unpredicted that no one is willing to go out on the limb of action to do the math proving that which is actually known to exist.

However I can truthfully agree with C3Po and comment “ It is beyond my capacity”


31 posted on 11/30/2012 4:42:47 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....The fairest Deduction to be reduced is the Standard Deduction)
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To: neverdem

Hello Loop Quantum Gravity.


33 posted on 12/01/2012 2:22:40 PM PST by Paradox (Unexpected things coming for the next few years.)
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