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To: betty boop

I disagree.

We are failing because both parties have been failing.

We are failing from the dem party, because the dem party wants to raise labor prices.

We are failing from the GOP party because the GOP wants to send our jobs overseas, hurting all Americans.

We need a new party.


50 posted on 12/01/2012 10:20:40 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Cringing Negativism Network; betty boop; Jeff Head; Alamo-Girl; hosepipe; xzins
I agree with you that we the people (the real Americans, not the takers) need a new party with fresh perspective like the Sarah Palins offer. I'm not ready to see the final collapse because I am a realist and have looked at what it really would bring to pass. The democrap party is making a huge false calculation regarding managed collapse. Allow me to enumerate ...

When financial collapse comes, it will rush upon US in steps/waves. One wave will include corrupt politicians trying to plug fiscal holes by granting vast tracts of America and raw materials to our creditors, in exchange for continued borrowing to bail the in-rushing waters. As the economy dies, so dies the trucking of supplies which maintain the vast city dweller sites will cease to function on commerce ... companies do not produce goods when there are no buyers, and truckers do not drive when they will not get paid and cannot depend upon fuel for their trips and returns.

Cities and their suburbs will indeed become vast killing fields and the most ruthless will be the survivors who will gather enough fuel to make raids into the countrysides, because there is nothing restraining the evil which will be driving their ruthlessness. [I pity the Mormon families who will be targeted for extinction so their supplies can be taken. ... And make no mistake, it will come to that when the cities become killing fields and supplies can be 'reaped' from the burbs.]

The military still here will be commandeered to try and establish order in the cities, but that will fail quickly when bellies of takers are empty and truck convoys are raided. In short, the cluelessness of the democrap demons and republicants will turn a planned controlled collapse into a plunged into utter chaos. While we can still try to work the political system with a new party and political revolution, we must try it.

What accompanies the end of current democrat rule without opposition, with the totally evil democrats in power and republicants going along to avoid media scoldings, is chaos that will make the great depression look like an interlude of minor shortage. Too many residents of America have no respect for rule of law and have been 'farmed' to be dependents and emoters. When chaos comes, those will be in need of forceful 'reply'.

Allowing the evil sonofabitch and his henchghouls in the White Hut to have his way is a quick and final path to the end of America, even though the democrats believe it merely leads to their greater empowerment. Think along lines of how the democrats have used the slaughter of tens of millions as an empowerment scheme for their political advantage ... democrats never look at the 50,000,000 plus they have caused to be slaughtered, they see only how they have garnered political power with the issues so long as the 'playing field' remains open. When the end of the Republic comes, the 'end of a playing field' is not even in the devilish democrats' calculations, but it is the inevitable result of what they are trying to accomplish with a false notion of what it does for them. ... And I won't even address the world-wide evil that shall accompany the collapse of America. Folks would not believe me because the normalcy bias would prevent their entertaining such notions! Such is the world the spirit anti-christ exploits as foretold in The Bible.

57 posted on 12/01/2012 11:11:03 AM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network; Alamo-Girl; joanie-f; xzins; grey_whiskers; YHAOS; MHGinTN; ...
We need a new party.

Why???

Our two major political parties have already abjectly failed. Why do you think a new party could succeed, in what looks very like a post-political world?

I mean, when you have chaos in the streets; when you have massive theft of citizens' private property and nobody so much as gives a peep about it; when the gangsta "Chicago Way" has utterly infiltrated the institutions of government — how can you reasonably believe a "new party" is any kind of answer when it is the culture itself that has become utterly corrupt?

The political parties, at bottom, are the reflection of the moral core of the people. On that score, Tip O'Neill was the last honest Democrat, and Ronald Reagan the last honest Republican. Both men had principles they were willing to defend. But today, what person of either party defends any principle whatsoever beyond the burning need to be reelected to office? (At great taxpayer expense.)

Do I think a new "third party" would be beneficial, or effective in articulating and securing the well-being of American citizens? Under the conditions of the sheer moral collapse of our society, I very strongly doubt it.

If the people are disordered, if they are "bad," do not expect the parties they belong to, or the governments they elect to be any better than they are.

So, meanwhile, I highly recommend the GOP walk away from "negotiations" with the President. He will only coopt them into sharing blame for the policy failures that he is (deliberately) creating. I say: Let him and his party clearly OWN IT ALL, so the people who voted for him finally understand what they voted for. Maybe this is the only way they can learn anything new, i.e., from the impending total melt-down of our economic system, bound to create incalculable suffering for themselves.

BTW, FWIW, I take this "post-political era" stuff seriously. The crux shifts to an existential, not political, gravitas.

I realized this back in the summer of 2010, which led me to resign from the Republican party, and change my voter registration from GOP to Unenrolled (in Massachusetts, that means Independent).

I am a constitutional, economic, and social conservative. NO party protects these interests of mine, these days. Nobody cares about "principles" anymore. It's every man for himself, under this "divide-and-conquer" president....

I do not have any reason to believe that a "new" party would have any impact whatsoever on the future well-being of our constitutional Republic.

IF, that is, it is true that we are indeed living in a post-political world — as Bill Whittle (among others) has suggested.

Our constitutional Republic has been utterly inverted: We the People now work full-time for the government, not the other way around. We are virtual slaves in our own country. Does anybody notice? Does anybody really care, so long as he continues to get his freebies at somebody else's expense?

It's all a Big Lie and, like any Big Lie, is doomed to fail. There will be many, many victims.

So, I recommend that Speaker Boehner call for a vote of 0Bama's "package of doom," with instructions to Republicans members only to vote PRESENT themselves. Ditto in the Senate. "We're" going to lose this fight anyway; so just let Captain Zero and his cohorts unequivocally "own" this crap.

Experience is the best teacher. Lots of us are going to have to learn the Truth the hard way.

Sorry to disagree with you, Cringing Negativism Network; but I can't do otherwise, based on direct knowledge and experience, not to mention the lessons of human history, going back millennia.

Thank you so much for writing!

59 posted on 12/01/2012 12:34:34 PM PST by betty boop (We are led to believe a lie when we see with, and not through the eye. — William Blake)
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