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Give Obama what he wants: Implosion is exactly what America needs in order to find its fiscal way
Canada Free Press ^ | November 29, 2012 | Klaus Rohrich

Posted on 11/29/2012 5:44:12 AM PST by Perseverando

The best thing the Republicans could do right now is to give Obama everything that he wants. Those of us who think, rather than feel, understand that Obama’s course will end up with the United States going bankrupt, because there isn’t enough money on the planet, much less the US, to pay for all the goodies the Democrats want to bestow on their favored constituents.

Just to give you an example of how hopeless the situation is, the combined net worth of the Forbes list of America’s 400 wealthiest people is just over $1.7 trillion. So if you confiscate 100% of that wealth you would just have enough money to cover this year’s federal budget deficit and next year you would have to confiscate the combined wealth of tens of thousands more Americans to cover next year’s deficit.

Clearly, raising taxes on “The Rich” will not even come close to achieving its stated purpose, namely reducing the deficit.

And while Republican politicians are posturing liked testosterone crazed Sumo Wrestlers about making sure entitlements are reduced if they agree to tax increases, the truth is that Republicans, who are currently consumed with self-loathing, will cave on tax increases without spending cuts.

Best thing they could do is to just rubber stamp everything that Obama and the Dems are demanding because the sooner all their ambitious demands are met; the sooner the country will implode.

And implosion is exactly what America needs in order to find its fiscal way. Drug addicts, alcoholics, recovery, hitting rock-bottom

For drug addicts or alcoholics to have even the slightest chance at recovery, what’s needed is to hit rock-bottom, to experience that searing realization that the wall of oblivion is about to collide full force with their nose, to totally scrape bottom and realize that’s death staring

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: economy; fiscalcliff; nationaldebt; obamanomics
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1 posted on 11/29/2012 5:44:23 AM PST by Perseverando
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To: Perseverando

This country needs a revolt on corruption and waste. We need sources of supplies that are not over regulated by government and manipulated by the super rich globalists.


2 posted on 11/29/2012 5:49:41 AM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: Perseverando
I say Let the Democrats have what they want.

Republicans should announce that they will NOT oppose a tax increase.

But they should name the bill something like "ObamaCURE - a bill to solve all the country's problems."

But when the vote comes up, every Republican should vote PRESENT.

As soon as the Democrats realize that the upcoming fiscal collapse will be blamed entirely on them, they will quickly change their votes and the thing will be defeated.

3 posted on 11/29/2012 5:56:40 AM PST by eCSMaster (2012 elections: American Coup d'etat!)
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To: eCSMaster

“I say Let the Democrats have what they want.”

Y E S!

And, they must be very public and emphatic about it...so NO ONE not even the corrupt and biased MSM can misconstrue the Conservative position and blame them later.

The sooner the result of “O’s” ineptitude and greed are felt ... and the more people who experience it, THE BETTER!


4 posted on 11/29/2012 6:11:58 AM PST by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: All

Although I completely disagree with Obama,

maybe it’s time to just give Obama what he wants.

After that the GOP needs to come out strong and say:

“We didn’t want taxes to go up on the middle claims so We gave him what he wants. THE ECONOMY IS HIS. THIS IS OBAMA’s ECONOMY. HE OWNS IT.”


5 posted on 11/29/2012 6:13:25 AM PST by PizzaTheHut
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To: Perseverando

A dose of reality - Many addicts do not recover, but end up hurting those that are helping them and then they die. This is a dangerous proposal at best, although I don’t think anyone in the government can stop what is going to happen.

Recovering addicts usually come to the conclusion that their is a god (greater power, supreme ruler, etc.) I always have faith that anyone can be saved, but how did that work out for the soviet union, cuba, etc.

And if we give into what they want, even though we may bring this country to its knees, we are agreeing to all the filth and depravity that goes with it. And then we will be governed by that which WE allowed and try to blame them, when we have what we have right now because we allowed it.

Seems like the GOPe has been exercising this for the last 25 years. How’s that working for us right now.


6 posted on 11/29/2012 6:17:40 AM PST by nomobs
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To: PizzaTheHut

It is time for the GOP to compete with Obama in delivering jobs to the American people.

Stop exporting jobs.

Stop sending productive US assets to foreign countries, among them countries potentially very very aggressive toward America.

For crying out loud. When did our party become about foreign companies??

Stop importing so much. Start producing things in America now.


7 posted on 11/29/2012 6:21:37 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Perseverando

Whoever Canada Free Press is is guilty of plagiarism. I wrote many of those same exact words, including the drug and alcoholic references word for word here on FR and my blog.

If you’re going to use others words, cite them and attribute credit. Otherwise it’s theft.


8 posted on 11/29/2012 6:36:07 AM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Perseverando

I agree. It would be devastating to our economy. We are losing the argument anyway with the majority now being moochers so let’s lay it at the Commurats feet. Give them everything they want. When it’s time to vote then vote “present”.


9 posted on 11/29/2012 6:37:12 AM PST by animal172 (RIP USA)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Have you tried to produce and sell anything in the US? Do you buy products from US companies even when the cost is twice as much? If people were to try to buy and produce exclusively in the US, our standard of living would plummet. The US is so anti-manufacturing it is not even funny. High regulation, high employee costs and high taxes make producing goods in the US not cost effective. Unless you change the environment first, moving production to the US we just result in bankruptcy. It would be like throwing fish into boiling water and wondering why they died. The conditions must be right for fish and manufacturing to survive.
10 posted on 11/29/2012 6:38:04 AM PST by Angry_White_Man_Syndrome
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To: Angry_White_Man_Syndrome

Yes there are obstacles to US production.

Perhaps the discussion might usefully center on how those obstacles can be removed.

And likewise obstacles introduced to importing from countries in which our productive assets have been moved, to bring them back here.

What we are doing now, is losing steadily.

That is what I am saying.


11 posted on 11/29/2012 6:42:07 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Perseverando
Yes, the essence of self-defense is letting the attacker's momentum get beyond his center. Let him have everything he wants and more, then help him fall on his face.
12 posted on 11/29/2012 6:57:44 AM PST by ricmc2175
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To: Perseverando
Give Obama what he wants? And you think we still won't get blamed for the results?

What he wants is dictatorial power, his own SS goon army, and the freedom to take our freedoms away. The current threat is that he'll do by executive order that which we don't give him the right to do.

The only hope that will come out of the Republicans rolling over yet again is that something better will come up after the Republican party is dead and gone.

13 posted on 11/29/2012 7:02:51 AM PST by slowhandluke (It's hard to be cynical enough in this age.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
That discussion was had this last election and the conservative argument lost with the uneducated. What now needs to be done, is accelerate the effects of the choice that the people made. This is the only way some people will learn. They are unable to reason and can only learn the hard way.

As far as putting up obstacles to importing, that is a leftist idea. We do not need government to act in the private sector at all. Americans are some of the most productive in the world when left to compete freely. Asking the government to act to level a playing field that they are making unlevel is not logical.

14 posted on 11/29/2012 7:03:38 AM PST by Angry_White_Man_Syndrome
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To: Angry_White_Man_Syndrome

Well I am an American first, a conservative second.

All my values hinge on building America stronger first of all. To the extent that is possible while also building business that is also great.

But America first and always.

Perhaps it’s just me, deciding things that way.

So be it.


15 posted on 11/29/2012 7:09:33 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
The Republicans should stop playing the Democrat's game. Their plan will not work and will destroy our country. We should stand fast on the following:
Cut income tax to 15%
Abolish Corporate income taxes
Abolish capital gains taxes, (they are mostly inflation gains anyway.)
Regulations should be returned to those existing in 1980
Levy an equalization tax on imports to offset the market costs placed by our gov.
16 posted on 11/29/2012 7:12:00 AM PST by The Old Commander (Anyone who voted for Obama did so to steal from the productive class.)
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To: Perseverando
There have been a lot of articles and discussion about the folly of "taxing the rich" since AFTER the election. Where the hell were all these analysts BEFORE the election? Have they just been enlightened regarding this issue or were they too afraid to publish this material. The whole idea of "tax the rich" is simply a class-warfare gimmick that will do nothing to reduce the deficit or the debt. It is meant to punish achievers and to redistribute the wealth created by them. So now I see we are already being introduced to a new "wealth tax" since the income tax will not be sufficient by itself. Get prepared - it's coming.

Normally I don't like to discuss problems without offering a reasoned solution. But in this case I have none. Can anyone help me out here???

17 posted on 11/29/2012 7:14:27 AM PST by USMA '71 ((Re-elect no one!))
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To: The Old Commander

I’d be for all of those things.

Provided American companies kept US jobs here. And brought back those they exported.

Let’s not ignore that part.

That’s the thing. Either we are for Americans, or we are not.

Obama has been destroying our economy for four years now. Yet he does not get blamed, because at the same time US businesses have also been eliminating US jobs as quickly as they can fire them.

Heck even I am almost tempted to take Obama’s side when I see so many US workers being thrown out of work.

BRING BACK AMERICAN JOBS.

Now.


18 posted on 11/29/2012 7:16:33 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: PizzaTheHut
THE ECONOMY IS HIS. THIS IS OBAMA’s ECONOMY. HE OWNS IT.”

Nope, still Bush's fault. Many of 0bama's sycophants came out multiple times before the election stating that it was Obama's economy. Goolsby, and Washer Women Shultz to name two.

5.56mm

19 posted on 11/29/2012 7:25:25 AM PST by M Kehoe
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To: M Kehoe
Ann Coulter article

5.56mm

20 posted on 11/29/2012 7:31:28 AM PST by M Kehoe
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To: mountainlion
This country needs a revolt on corruption and waste

This country needs Sarah Palin.

21 posted on 11/29/2012 7:33:33 AM PST by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown are by desperate appliance relieved or not at all.)
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To: eCSMaster

A couple of things -

they WANT a fiscal collapse so that they can rebuild America as a more communist country,

and they WON’T take the blame for it, because the media has the same agenda, and will blame conservatives/republicans/Bush for it.


22 posted on 11/29/2012 7:34:44 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: The Old Commander

Commander — I agree your suggestion is what NEEDS to be done but such a list would NEVER fly in that swamp on the Potomac. Much as I would love a fair fight on these issues, it will never happen.

The Dems would NEVER agree to cutting income taxes to 15 percent. Whorehouse Harry Reid would never allow such a vote to even come up on the Senate floor. (Remember, Harry hasn’t proposed a budget in three years now, or is it four?) Abolish corporate income and capital gains taxes — not a chance!

So, if Washington won’t do what is right, then we should allow the Dems to continue doing what is wrong. But make abso-freakin-lutely certain that everybody knows this is what the Dems really, really wanted.

The role of the GOP must be to offer a workable solution, and get the word out quickly.

“You want higher taxes on the rich? You want more regulations? You want an end to fracking and oil drilling? You want ObummerPhones and free schooling for illegals? Then here you go! I vote PRESENT because I don’t support any of this crap. But if you want this nation to recover, this is what we NEED to do instead.”


23 posted on 11/29/2012 7:36:07 AM PST by DNME (It's never over. Never.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

You do not have to choose between an American or a Conservative. As a matter of fact, by abandoning conservative values you will also lose America as you know it to be.


24 posted on 11/29/2012 7:38:07 AM PST by Angry_White_Man_Syndrome
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To: Jim Noble

“This country needs Sarah Palin.”

Worth repeating.


25 posted on 11/29/2012 7:41:41 AM PST by RGVTx
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To: SMARTY

But my wife and I are in our late 60s and I hate the thought of going through what my dad did when he graduated from HS in 1932. He worked hard all his life to give me a better life and I’ve done the same for my daughter and two grandchildren... now it all goes up in smoke to support the featherbedders?


26 posted on 11/29/2012 7:42:33 AM PST by Portcall24
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To: Angry_White_Man_Syndrome

I agree 100%.

Unfortunately I also believe it is possible to lose touch with American values while supporting “conservative” values.

To the extent they are consistent, I say enthusiastically support both.

I am just saying, when they are inconsistent I will support America first.

This is where we have trouble now.

Sending all the manufacturing in America, to China, is exactly such an example.

Bring those factories and (foreign hired employees) back to America.

We have lost sight of America.

THAT is why we lost the last election.


27 posted on 11/29/2012 7:45:15 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Jim Noble
This country needs Sarah Palin.

Agreed, and I want a new political party called the “Tea Party”

28 posted on 11/29/2012 7:47:24 AM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: Portcall24

You’re right, but I get the impression that we’re going to be robbed anyway!


29 posted on 11/29/2012 7:48:27 AM PST by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
The way you suggest bringing the jobs back is where you are losing both your conservative and American values. You can not bring the jobs back by force. It is by taking the boot off of manufacturer's neck that the jobs will return. What you are suggesting is just giving the government more power to apply another boot.
30 posted on 11/29/2012 8:14:00 AM PST by Angry_White_Man_Syndrome
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To: Angry_White_Man_Syndrome

Well I disagree.

You want to win the war. I want to win the next election.

Both are good goals. Unfortunately I agree with you, it appears we must choose which to support right now.

Repeating nevertheless, I agree with you.

It’s just that, I want to win in 2016.


31 posted on 11/29/2012 8:19:12 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: eCSMaster

Rush was saying this election week: Oppose nothing, Say nothing. Simply vote ‘present’. I like your touch of calling it something like ObamaCure.


32 posted on 11/29/2012 8:21:15 AM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: Perseverando

Obama&Co = Rock-bottom

No way up for four years


33 posted on 11/29/2012 8:59:34 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: Perseverando

Some “compromise” - Bammy gets all he wants with promise (lie) of “future cuts” that will never come.
I wonder how long before the 401K tax comes?

R’s always fold like a cheap ironing board, that’s why they’re becoming the new Whig party.

I say embrace the cliff.

yodeling over the fiscal cliff...let’s go!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqMVjsaGEZo


34 posted on 11/29/2012 9:28:20 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: Perseverando; Alamo-Girl; joanie-f; Jeff Head; grey_whiskers
The best thing the Republicans could do right now is to give Obama everything that he wants. Those of us who think, rather than feel, understand that Obama’s course will end up with the United States going bankrupt, because there isn’t enough money on the planet, much less the US, to pay for all the goodies the Democrats want to bestow on their favored constituents.... Thinking that Americans will come to their senses and opt for responsible leaders is a pipe dream, one which I personally indulged in up to November 6th. Neither party wants to fix what’s actually wrong, they just want to maintain the status quo and hope the problems work themselves out, while hardworking and productive people are stuck with the bill.... So, let’s give the electorate what they asked for: slower growth, more unemployment, more poverty and less upward mobility for everyone. Perhaps then we can get back to America’s founding principles, including hard work and self-reliance....

Indeed, elections have consequences! Even elections premised on a massive flight from reality — e.g., in the Real World, there is not enough money to pay for the vast social welfare agency the federal government has become. [I would like to know what Constitutional warrant justifies this transmogrification of federal powers.] If the political class in Washington wants to pretend that everything's hunky-dorey, that things will just work themselves out if we tax people enough — well, when the whole American system crashes because of their fecklessness, we'll know who to blame.

If America reverts to recession or worse as a consequence of federal fiscal (and monetary) irresponsibility, just think how that may affect the rest of the world economy. I predict there are very dark days ahead, because I believe that 0bama, in his arrogance, has doubled down on his call to raise tax rates on the wealthiest Americans, while doing nothing about reining in entitlement spending. I do not believe he will back off; and I do believe the GOP will cave. (They always do, gutless wonders that they are.)

FWIW.

Thanks so much for posting this article from CFP, Perseverando!

35 posted on 11/29/2012 9:30:06 AM PST by betty boop (We are led to believe a lie when we see with, and not through the eye. — William Blake)
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To: DNME

I agree.


36 posted on 11/29/2012 9:41:25 AM PST by ncpatriot
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To: Perseverando

Since Dingy Harry is so worried about raising the debt ceiling, Repubs ought to refuse until a spending cut bill is passed and the law of the land. I’m civil service and shutting the government down would probably stop my pay, but I’m willing to deal with the pain if the leeches also feel the salt...


37 posted on 11/29/2012 11:11:54 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: betty boop
betty, Obama wants to break the system. He wants the free market to fail and his true, unadulterated arrogance is that he thinks he can control the consequences of that failure and leave himself and his cronies in power. He will not. If the system fails, there will be a bloodletting and horrific chaos and fighting like has never been witnessed in the history of this Republic, or modern history. The US Civil War was among the bloodiest Civil Wars in History. US CWII will break that mold should it come...and if the economy totally tanks and brings down the currency with it...which it will...then as soon as transportations stops, ALL of the major cities will turn into killing fields within a week or two. There will not be enogh State or Federal aid, troops, polic, etc. to prevent it. And many of them will simply not show up as they attempt to save their own. We are not the country that went through the great depression. We are a country where the vast majority have no comprehension of where their own food comes from and as soon as the place they think it comes from...the local Safeway, Albertsons, WALMART superstore or whatever runs out...and they consume the day or two of food they have in their cupboards (if that), well, hungry people quickly turn to whatever means they can device to eat...and it will get very ugly. I pray God we can avoid that because I do not believe people who wish for it have any comprehension of where it will lead or precisely that very, very few Americans...including they themselves...will be "safe" in the results. Perhaps that is what it will take...we may be too far gone to avoid it. I still pray God we are not too far gone and that through His Grace and aid, enough of us can hold on, fight, influence others, and have a chance to still turn it around at the ballot box with a deluge of Tea Party congressmen and ultimately Senators who will change things. If we cannot, then the Storm that is coming will be the likes of which has never been experienced by any developed nation. If so, I pray God for us all, that He may yet have mercy on us and allow us to pass through that storm and regain our Constitutional Republic on the other side. AMERICA AT THE CROSSROADS OF HISTORY http://www.jeffhead.com/crossroads.htm
38 posted on 11/29/2012 4:06:29 PM PST by Jeff Head
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To: betty boop
Very well said, as always, betty.

I believe that 0bama, in his arrogance, has doubled down on his call to raise tax rates on the wealthiest Americans, while doing nothing about reining in entitlement spending.

In virtually every one of his campaign speeches over the past year, and every one of his comments on taxation since his election, the major policy upon which he is building his plan for economic recovery is increasing taxes on 'the rich'. Yet every economist worth his salt realizes that that practice will amount to a drop in the bucket as regards reducing the deficit or lowering the debt.

Obama himself knows this full well. So why does he continue to insist that higher taxation of the rich will be the cure-all for the economy? It has nothing to do with a desire for a healthier economy on his part. But rather it has to do with his covert desire to punish small business (and success in general), further weaken the economy, and push America toward the cliff that is a prerequisite to instituting Cloward-Piven directed strategies that will allow him to 'rebuild America' from the ashes in his own image.

What an anti-American narcissist we have residing in our Oval Office.

Best to you, betty --

~ joanie

39 posted on 11/29/2012 7:43:42 PM PST by joanie-f (If you believe that God is your co-pilot, it might be time to switch seats ...)
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To: Jeff Head; Alamo-Girl; joanie-f; grey_whiskers; MHGinTN; hosepipe; xzins
Obama wants to break the system. He wants the free market to fail and his true, unadulterated arrogance is that he thinks he can control the consequences of that failure and leave himself and his cronies in power.

I completely agree with this assessment, dear brother Jeff!

Which just beg the questions: "Why???" And: "What is the source of this 'power?'" — which he evidently believes protects himself and his friends from harm? But I digress.

The scenario of civic breakdown that you so tellingly describe may very well be in the American future. The social chaos would begin in highly-concentrated urban areas, but then would spread to the suburbs. People living in more rural areas would likely be spared the threat of being looted for a while. But they would still be in the same boat as everybody else: absolute dependency on the food supply, and logistically, food distribution.

An interesting hypothetical case, to say the very least.

My own immediate concern at this juncture is to figure out how I can protect the measly wealth I've managed to accumulate over a working lifetime from the coming shocks.

I'm referring to the impending "fiscal cliff," and its effect on my 401(k)s, etc.

Captain Zero thinks he sits in the "cat-bird seat" here, which is why he doubled down on his hard line WRT taxing "rich people." On the one hand, he claims he has a "mandate" from the American people to pursue this reckless course; plus he sweetens the deal by blaming Republican recalcitrance if, in fact, we do not avoid the Fiscal Cliff. The falling off of which would be extraordinarily painful to individuals and business enterprises.

But if the Republicans cave under such a threat [as I fully expect they will], then they will have helped avoid the Fiscal Cliff — but thereby they would be abetting something ever so much worse: the systematic confiscation of the wealth of the American people — or to use Captain Zero's term, "the middle class" he purports to be trying "to protect" from the depredations of "the wealthy" — who, because they are "successful," should "pay more."

Oh, pul-eeeeezzze. I gather such folks have never heard of the "equal protection" clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.

Anyhoot, back to the financial questions. All I can say at this point is — pending a bit more research — I will be "all cash" by year's end.

In short, I'm "hunkering down for the duration." Funny thing is, I now regret having bought precious metals; I was betting on inflation; but what seems to be shaping up, macroeconomically speaking, is massive deflation. Which will tend to make "cash king" again in our society.

America is at a crossroad, dear brother Jeff! Pray with me, that God's Grace may continue to be with the United States of America, through the hearts and souls and minds of Americans who love Him, who seek to live in His Law.

The Lord is our Hope, our Strength! p> All glory be to God!

40 posted on 11/30/2012 3:37:37 PM PST by betty boop (We are led to believe a lie when we see with, and not through the eye. — William Blake)
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To: betty boop; Jeff Head; Alamo-Girl; joanie-f; grey_whiskers; MHGinTN; hosepipe; P-Marlowe

I agree with you that a deflationary depression and social chaos are on the way. While Obama might be much worse than a Lenist/Marxist, he does understand from them that revolution and chaos are manageable. Results in Russia, China, Cuba, Vietnam, etc., prove them to be right. The right place at the right time with the right forms of power do make a dictatorship possible.

I never liked the spiking gold price as an investment unless it was the metal itself. (And, even with the metal, what goes up quickly can come down quickly.) Gold on paper is still paper. Shares of anything are useless. I tend to agree with Pearl Buck’s Wang Lung that land is real wealth. With it a man can sustain himself and his family. Some of the old timers in our church speak of the depression, and emphasize that farm families were best off because, if nothing else, they always had food. So, land, some arable and some wooded, makes it possible for a family to live. (IF they will work.)

Obama’s gambit is to throw the nation into chaos to see what can be gained from it.

Some have pointed out that ammo should be on the list of real wealth. I agree. I had some chili the other day made from the King’s deer. Tasty. And ammo has other uses.

My sense, sister, is that your 401k is probably worth at least double in middle american rather than Massachusetts or anyplace else in the northeast. Glen Beck is urging people to move to Texas. He has a point.


41 posted on 11/30/2012 4:52:15 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: betty boop; Jeff Head; Alamo-Girl; joanie-f; grey_whiskers; MHGinTN; hosepipe; P-Marlowe

Obama seems to me to be punishment to America for past various “sins” or crimes..
Not punishment by God but punishment for lazyness and lascivious behaviour “chickens coming home to roost”..


42 posted on 11/30/2012 7:09:23 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: betty boop
My own immediate concern at this juncture is to figure out how I can protect the measly wealth I've managed to accumulate over a working lifetime from the coming shocks.

Indeed. It will be a challenge just getting through the inevitable.

Thank you so much for sharing your insights, dearest sister in Christ!

43 posted on 12/01/2012 7:47:41 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: xzins
Some of the old timers in our church speak of the depression, and emphasize that farm families were best off because, if nothing else, they always had food.

So very true. Thank you for sharing your insights, dear brother in Christ!

44 posted on 12/01/2012 7:51:36 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: hosepipe
The present situation is a close match for Biblical prophecy, especially this:

This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. - 2 Timothy 3:1-5


45 posted on 12/01/2012 7:54:55 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl; betty boop; P-Marlowe

You being a Texan, what do you think of Beck’s call for folks to move to Texas?


46 posted on 12/01/2012 7:55:48 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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... what do you think of Beck’s call for folks to move to Texas?

I deeply love my home state, Massachusetts. But increasingly, it is misery to live here, because the culture is so corrupt. It has to be corrupt — otherwise, how can one explain that madwoman, Elizabeth Warren's elevation to the Senate?

Dear brother in Christ, I've flirted with the idea of moving out of state. I was thinking along the lines of Texas or South Carolina. But the fact is, while my husband's and my elderly parents are still living, we won't be moving anywhere.

So I'm just going to have to tough it out here, and hope I don't completely lose my sanity in the process. (It is so difficult to live in a culture of lies.)

Thank you so very much for writing, dear xzins!

47 posted on 12/01/2012 10:08:24 AM PST by betty boop (We are led to believe a lie when we see with, and not through the eye. — William Blake)
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To: betty boop

It sounds like it’s gonna have to be a “victory garden” in your back yard.

What about a “victory cow?” They’re probably frowned on, aren’t they?

:>)


48 posted on 12/01/2012 10:16:15 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins; Jeff Head; Alamo-Girl; joanie-f; grey_whiskers; MHGinTN; hosepipe; P-Marlowe
Obama’s gambit is to throw the nation into chaos to see what can be gained from it.

Yeah — "Never let a good crisis go to waste."

FWIW, I totally agree with the idea that Republicans should just walk away from the "negotiations." There are no negotiations to be had, from 0bama's perspective: He is demanding total surrender.

He thinks he has a "mandate," because "elections have consequences." Okay, let him OWN his mandate; let the (clueless!!!) people see what they actually voted for.

The Republicans do not have the political capital to stop him. So they shouldn't even try. They should just step away from the table....

Thank you so much, dear brother in Christ, for your outstanding analysis!

49 posted on 12/01/2012 10:18:06 AM PST by betty boop (We are led to believe a lie when we see with, and not through the eye. — William Blake)
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To: betty boop

I disagree.

We are failing because both parties have been failing.

We are failing from the dem party, because the dem party wants to raise labor prices.

We are failing from the GOP party because the GOP wants to send our jobs overseas, hurting all Americans.

We need a new party.


50 posted on 12/01/2012 10:20:40 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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