Skip to comments.Give Obama what he wants: Implosion is exactly what America needs in order to find its fiscal way
Posted on 11/29/2012 5:44:12 AM PST by Perseverando
The best thing the Republicans could do right now is to give Obama everything that he wants. Those of us who think, rather than feel, understand that Obamas course will end up with the United States going bankrupt, because there isnt enough money on the planet, much less the US, to pay for all the goodies the Democrats want to bestow on their favored constituents.
Just to give you an example of how hopeless the situation is, the combined net worth of the Forbes list of Americas 400 wealthiest people is just over $1.7 trillion. So if you confiscate 100% of that wealth you would just have enough money to cover this years federal budget deficit and next year you would have to confiscate the combined wealth of tens of thousands more Americans to cover next years deficit.
Clearly, raising taxes on The Rich will not even come close to achieving its stated purpose, namely reducing the deficit.
And while Republican politicians are posturing liked testosterone crazed Sumo Wrestlers about making sure entitlements are reduced if they agree to tax increases, the truth is that Republicans, who are currently consumed with self-loathing, will cave on tax increases without spending cuts.
Best thing they could do is to just rubber stamp everything that Obama and the Dems are demanding because the sooner all their ambitious demands are met; the sooner the country will implode.
And implosion is exactly what America needs in order to find its fiscal way. Drug addicts, alcoholics, recovery, hitting rock-bottom
For drug addicts or alcoholics to have even the slightest chance at recovery, whats needed is to hit rock-bottom, to experience that searing realization that the wall of oblivion is about to collide full force with their nose, to totally scrape bottom and realize thats death staring
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This country needs a revolt on corruption and waste. We need sources of supplies that are not over regulated by government and manipulated by the super rich globalists.
Republicans should announce that they will NOT oppose a tax increase.
But they should name the bill something like "ObamaCURE - a bill to solve all the country's problems."
But when the vote comes up, every Republican should vote PRESENT.
As soon as the Democrats realize that the upcoming fiscal collapse will be blamed entirely on them, they will quickly change their votes and the thing will be defeated.
“I say Let the Democrats have what they want.”
Y E S!
And, they must be very public and emphatic about it...so NO ONE not even the corrupt and biased MSM can misconstrue the Conservative position and blame them later.
The sooner the result of “O’s” ineptitude and greed are felt ... and the more people who experience it, THE BETTER!
Although I completely disagree with Obama,
maybe it’s time to just give Obama what he wants.
After that the GOP needs to come out strong and say:
“We didn’t want taxes to go up on the middle claims so We gave him what he wants. THE ECONOMY IS HIS. THIS IS OBAMA’s ECONOMY. HE OWNS IT.”
A dose of reality - Many addicts do not recover, but end up hurting those that are helping them and then they die. This is a dangerous proposal at best, although I don’t think anyone in the government can stop what is going to happen.
Recovering addicts usually come to the conclusion that their is a god (greater power, supreme ruler, etc.) I always have faith that anyone can be saved, but how did that work out for the soviet union, cuba, etc.
And if we give into what they want, even though we may bring this country to its knees, we are agreeing to all the filth and depravity that goes with it. And then we will be governed by that which WE allowed and try to blame them, when we have what we have right now because we allowed it.
Seems like the GOPe has been exercising this for the last 25 years. How’s that working for us right now.
It is time for the GOP to compete with Obama in delivering jobs to the American people.
Stop exporting jobs.
Stop sending productive US assets to foreign countries, among them countries potentially very very aggressive toward America.
For crying out loud. When did our party become about foreign companies??
Stop importing so much. Start producing things in America now.
Whoever Canada Free Press is is guilty of plagiarism. I wrote many of those same exact words, including the drug and alcoholic references word for word here on FR and my blog.
If you’re going to use others words, cite them and attribute credit. Otherwise it’s theft.
I agree. It would be devastating to our economy. We are losing the argument anyway with the majority now being moochers so let’s lay it at the Commurats feet. Give them everything they want. When it’s time to vote then vote “present”.
Yes there are obstacles to US production.
Perhaps the discussion might usefully center on how those obstacles can be removed.
And likewise obstacles introduced to importing from countries in which our productive assets have been moved, to bring them back here.
What we are doing now, is losing steadily.
That is what I am saying.
What he wants is dictatorial power, his own SS goon army, and the freedom to take our freedoms away. The current threat is that he'll do by executive order that which we don't give him the right to do.
The only hope that will come out of the Republicans rolling over yet again is that something better will come up after the Republican party is dead and gone.
As far as putting up obstacles to importing, that is a leftist idea. We do not need government to act in the private sector at all. Americans are some of the most productive in the world when left to compete freely. Asking the government to act to level a playing field that they are making unlevel is not logical.
Well I am an American first, a conservative second.
All my values hinge on building America stronger first of all. To the extent that is possible while also building business that is also great.
But America first and always.
Perhaps it’s just me, deciding things that way.
So be it.
Normally I don't like to discuss problems without offering a reasoned solution. But in this case I have none. Can anyone help me out here???
I’d be for all of those things.
Provided American companies kept US jobs here. And brought back those they exported.
Let’s not ignore that part.
That’s the thing. Either we are for Americans, or we are not.
Obama has been destroying our economy for four years now. Yet he does not get blamed, because at the same time US businesses have also been eliminating US jobs as quickly as they can fire them.
Heck even I am almost tempted to take Obama’s side when I see so many US workers being thrown out of work.
BRING BACK AMERICAN JOBS.
Nope, still Bush's fault. Many of 0bama's sycophants came out multiple times before the election stating that it was Obama's economy. Goolsby, and Washer Women Shultz to name two.
This country needs Sarah Palin.
A couple of things -
they WANT a fiscal collapse so that they can rebuild America as a more communist country,
and they WON’T take the blame for it, because the media has the same agenda, and will blame conservatives/republicans/Bush for it.
Commander — I agree your suggestion is what NEEDS to be done but such a list would NEVER fly in that swamp on the Potomac. Much as I would love a fair fight on these issues, it will never happen.
The Dems would NEVER agree to cutting income taxes to 15 percent. Whorehouse Harry Reid would never allow such a vote to even come up on the Senate floor. (Remember, Harry hasn’t proposed a budget in three years now, or is it four?) Abolish corporate income and capital gains taxes — not a chance!
So, if Washington won’t do what is right, then we should allow the Dems to continue doing what is wrong. But make abso-freakin-lutely certain that everybody knows this is what the Dems really, really wanted.
The role of the GOP must be to offer a workable solution, and get the word out quickly.
“You want higher taxes on the rich? You want more regulations? You want an end to fracking and oil drilling? You want ObummerPhones and free schooling for illegals? Then here you go! I vote PRESENT because I don’t support any of this crap. But if you want this nation to recover, this is what we NEED to do instead.”
You do not have to choose between an American or a Conservative. As a matter of fact, by abandoning conservative values you will also lose America as you know it to be.
“This country needs Sarah Palin.”
But my wife and I are in our late 60s and I hate the thought of going through what my dad did when he graduated from HS in 1932. He worked hard all his life to give me a better life and I’ve done the same for my daughter and two grandchildren... now it all goes up in smoke to support the featherbedders?
I agree 100%.
Unfortunately I also believe it is possible to lose touch with American values while supporting “conservative” values.
To the extent they are consistent, I say enthusiastically support both.
I am just saying, when they are inconsistent I will support America first.
This is where we have trouble now.
Sending all the manufacturing in America, to China, is exactly such an example.
Bring those factories and (foreign hired employees) back to America.
We have lost sight of America.
THAT is why we lost the last election.
Agreed, and I want a new political party called the “Tea Party”
You’re right, but I get the impression that we’re going to be robbed anyway!
Well I disagree.
You want to win the war. I want to win the next election.
Both are good goals. Unfortunately I agree with you, it appears we must choose which to support right now.
Repeating nevertheless, I agree with you.
It’s just that, I want to win in 2016.
Rush was saying this election week: Oppose nothing, Say nothing. Simply vote ‘present’. I like your touch of calling it something like ObamaCure.
Obama&Co = Rock-bottom
No way up for four years
Some “compromise” - Bammy gets all he wants with promise (lie) of “future cuts” that will never come.
I wonder how long before the 401K tax comes?
R’s always fold like a cheap ironing board, that’s why they’re becoming the new Whig party.
I say embrace the cliff.
yodeling over the fiscal cliff...let’s go!
Indeed, elections have consequences! Even elections premised on a massive flight from reality e.g., in the Real World, there is not enough money to pay for the vast social welfare agency the federal government has become. [I would like to know what Constitutional warrant justifies this transmogrification of federal powers.] If the political class in Washington wants to pretend that everything's hunky-dorey, that things will just work themselves out if we tax people enough well, when the whole American system crashes because of their fecklessness, we'll know who to blame.
If America reverts to recession or worse as a consequence of federal fiscal (and monetary) irresponsibility, just think how that may affect the rest of the world economy. I predict there are very dark days ahead, because I believe that 0bama, in his arrogance, has doubled down on his call to raise tax rates on the wealthiest Americans, while doing nothing about reining in entitlement spending. I do not believe he will back off; and I do believe the GOP will cave. (They always do, gutless wonders that they are.)
Thanks so much for posting this article from CFP, Perseverando!
Since Dingy Harry is so worried about raising the debt ceiling, Repubs ought to refuse until a spending cut bill is passed and the law of the land. I’m civil service and shutting the government down would probably stop my pay, but I’m willing to deal with the pain if the leeches also feel the salt...
I believe that 0bama, in his arrogance, has doubled down on his call to raise tax rates on the wealthiest Americans, while doing nothing about reining in entitlement spending.
In virtually every one of his campaign speeches over the past year, and every one of his comments on taxation since his election, the major policy upon which he is building his plan for economic recovery is increasing taxes on 'the rich'. Yet every economist worth his salt realizes that that practice will amount to a drop in the bucket as regards reducing the deficit or lowering the debt.
Obama himself knows this full well. So why does he continue to insist that higher taxation of the rich will be the cure-all for the economy? It has nothing to do with a desire for a healthier economy on his part. But rather it has to do with his covert desire to punish small business (and success in general), further weaken the economy, and push America toward the cliff that is a prerequisite to instituting Cloward-Piven directed strategies that will allow him to 'rebuild America' from the ashes in his own image.
What an anti-American narcissist we have residing in our Oval Office.
Best to you, betty --
I completely agree with this assessment, dear brother Jeff!
Which just beg the questions: "Why???" And: "What is the source of this 'power?'" which he evidently believes protects himself and his friends from harm? But I digress.
The scenario of civic breakdown that you so tellingly describe may very well be in the American future. The social chaos would begin in highly-concentrated urban areas, but then would spread to the suburbs. People living in more rural areas would likely be spared the threat of being looted for a while. But they would still be in the same boat as everybody else: absolute dependency on the food supply, and logistically, food distribution.
An interesting hypothetical case, to say the very least.
My own immediate concern at this juncture is to figure out how I can protect the measly wealth I've managed to accumulate over a working lifetime from the coming shocks.
I'm referring to the impending "fiscal cliff," and its effect on my 401(k)s, etc.
Captain Zero thinks he sits in the "cat-bird seat" here, which is why he doubled down on his hard line WRT taxing "rich people." On the one hand, he claims he has a "mandate" from the American people to pursue this reckless course; plus he sweetens the deal by blaming Republican recalcitrance if, in fact, we do not avoid the Fiscal Cliff. The falling off of which would be extraordinarily painful to individuals and business enterprises.
But if the Republicans cave under such a threat [as I fully expect they will], then they will have helped avoid the Fiscal Cliff but thereby they would be abetting something ever so much worse: the systematic confiscation of the wealth of the American people or to use Captain Zero's term, "the middle class" he purports to be trying "to protect" from the depredations of "the wealthy" who, because they are "successful," should "pay more."
Oh, pul-eeeeezzze. I gather such folks have never heard of the "equal protection" clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.
Anyhoot, back to the financial questions. All I can say at this point is pending a bit more research I will be "all cash" by year's end.
In short, I'm "hunkering down for the duration." Funny thing is, I now regret having bought precious metals; I was betting on inflation; but what seems to be shaping up, macroeconomically speaking, is massive deflation. Which will tend to make "cash king" again in our society.
America is at a crossroad, dear brother Jeff! Pray with me, that God's Grace may continue to be with the United States of America, through the hearts and souls and minds of Americans who love Him, who seek to live in His Law.
The Lord is our Hope, our Strength! p> All glory be to God!
I agree with you that a deflationary depression and social chaos are on the way. While Obama might be much worse than a Lenist/Marxist, he does understand from them that revolution and chaos are manageable. Results in Russia, China, Cuba, Vietnam, etc., prove them to be right. The right place at the right time with the right forms of power do make a dictatorship possible.
I never liked the spiking gold price as an investment unless it was the metal itself. (And, even with the metal, what goes up quickly can come down quickly.) Gold on paper is still paper. Shares of anything are useless. I tend to agree with Pearl Buck’s Wang Lung that land is real wealth. With it a man can sustain himself and his family. Some of the old timers in our church speak of the depression, and emphasize that farm families were best off because, if nothing else, they always had food. So, land, some arable and some wooded, makes it possible for a family to live. (IF they will work.)
Obama’s gambit is to throw the nation into chaos to see what can be gained from it.
Some have pointed out that ammo should be on the list of real wealth. I agree. I had some chili the other day made from the King’s deer. Tasty. And ammo has other uses.
My sense, sister, is that your 401k is probably worth at least double in middle american rather than Massachusetts or anyplace else in the northeast. Glen Beck is urging people to move to Texas. He has a point.
Obama seems to me to be punishment to America for past various “sins” or crimes..
Not punishment by God but punishment for lazyness and lascivious behaviour “chickens coming home to roost”..
Thank you so much for sharing your insights, dearest sister in Christ!
You being a Texan, what do you think of Beck’s call for folks to move to Texas?
I deeply love my home state, Massachusetts. But increasingly, it is misery to live here, because the culture is so corrupt. It has to be corrupt otherwise, how can one explain that madwoman, Elizabeth Warren's elevation to the Senate?
Dear brother in Christ, I've flirted with the idea of moving out of state. I was thinking along the lines of Texas or South Carolina. But the fact is, while my husband's and my elderly parents are still living, we won't be moving anywhere.
So I'm just going to have to tough it out here, and hope I don't completely lose my sanity in the process. (It is so difficult to live in a culture of lies.)
Thank you so very much for writing, dear xzins!
It sounds like it’s gonna have to be a “victory garden” in your back yard.
What about a “victory cow?” They’re probably frowned on, aren’t they?
Yeah "Never let a good crisis go to waste."
FWIW, I totally agree with the idea that Republicans should just walk away from the "negotiations." There are no negotiations to be had, from 0bama's perspective: He is demanding total surrender.
He thinks he has a "mandate," because "elections have consequences." Okay, let him OWN his mandate; let the (clueless!!!) people see what they actually voted for.
The Republicans do not have the political capital to stop him. So they shouldn't even try. They should just step away from the table....
Thank you so much, dear brother in Christ, for your outstanding analysis!
We are failing because both parties have been failing.
We are failing from the dem party, because the dem party wants to raise labor prices.
We are failing from the GOP party because the GOP wants to send our jobs overseas, hurting all Americans.
We need a new party.