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1 posted on 11/28/2012 2:24:02 PM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Well written...and well-taken....


2 posted on 11/28/2012 2:26:28 PM PST by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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It is disturbing that the topic of secession has become mainstream. The liberal sites are talking about it, too. One site has people saying they’d approve letting states go except for Texas because they want the money from Texas.


3 posted on 11/28/2012 2:33:06 PM PST by MeganC (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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"Several months earlier, Reps. Daniel E. Sickles of New York...proposed a constitutional amendment to prohibit secession."

Little bit of trivia...Sickles killed the son of Francis Scott Key, when he found him having an affair with his wife. Sickles then became the first person in the United States to succesfully employ a defense of temporary insanity.

4 posted on 11/28/2012 2:33:15 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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On the eve of the War of 1861, even unionist politicians saw secession as a right of states...

The Northern Democratic and Republican parties favored allowing the South to secede in peace...

Absolute nonsense. Mr. Williams needs to read some American history. Even Robert E. Lee saw secession as revolution, not as constitutional.

5 posted on 11/28/2012 2:34:37 PM PST by iowamark
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Good one.


6 posted on 11/28/2012 2:34:59 PM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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Opus tease!


7 posted on 11/28/2012 2:36:30 PM PST by Rebelbase
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Is not state sovereignty guaranteed under the Tenth Amendment?
If a state freely joins the union, then cannot a state freely leave?


8 posted on 11/28/2012 2:44:19 PM PST by The Sons of Liberty ( Fast and Furious , Benghazi - What's 0bama's current body count?)
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The Heritage Foundation: “Can individual states secede from the United States?”

http://www.heritage.org/initiatives/first-principles/basics#can-individual-states-secede-from-the-united-states


9 posted on 11/28/2012 2:46:47 PM PST by iowamark
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Here's my no-brainer question: Would there have been any point to offering these amendments if secession were already unconstitutional?

Yes - to address an ambiguity in the Constitution.

10 posted on 11/28/2012 2:50:23 PM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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Starve them of revenue and make politicians lives as miserable as possible. States need to start banding together and tell the Feds to shove it. No one needs to support the BS from the kooks on thr left. The time honored method of shunning needs to re-emerge.


11 posted on 11/28/2012 2:56:51 PM PST by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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States created the federal government in 1789, and states can abolish the federal government now if it choses to do so.


12 posted on 11/28/2012 2:59:13 PM PST by sergeantdave (The FBI has declared war on the Marine Corps)
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When I made a 600-mile, cross-state trip two months ago, here in my state of Texas, I was making a point to count how many Romney bumper-stickers I saw, in order to gauge how much enthusiasm there was for him. I counted seven Romney bumper-stickers in all. I also counted three “SECEDE” bumper-stickers. They’ve been around for a while, as a somewhat tongue-in-cheek message.

This was obviously before the election and the publicity of the petitions drive. I’m glad the whole topic has finally broken through. If blue-state America is bound and determined to follow Obama down his commie-statist rabbithole, and with the takers vs. makers threshold portending the country’s ignoble demise, the secession question is looking like a viable option. As it is, there is really becoming less and less of an America even worth preserving anymore.


13 posted on 11/28/2012 3:02:50 PM PST by greene66
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bttt


16 posted on 11/28/2012 3:21:26 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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There is a word for having a gun pointed at you and being told you can’t leave. It’s called a hostage situation.


21 posted on 11/28/2012 3:54:36 PM PST by SpaceBar
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The War of 1861 settled the issue of secession through brute force that cost 600,000 American lives. Americans celebrate Abraham Lincoln's Gettysburg Address, but H.L. Mencken correctly evaluated the speech, "It is poetry, not logic; beauty, not sense." Lincoln said that the soldiers sacrificed their lives "to the cause of self-determination -- that government of the people, by the people, for the people should not perish from the earth." Mencken says: "It is difficult to imagine anything more untrue. The Union soldiers in the battle actually fought against self-determination; it was the Confederates who fought for the right of people to govern themselves."

I've said it before...I'll say it again. The wrong side won.

FMCDH(BITS)

26 posted on 11/28/2012 4:06:00 PM PST by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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Yes I’m stuck in the middle with you,
And I’m wondering what it is I should do,
It’s so hard to keep this smile from my face,
Losing control, yeah, I’m all over the place,
Clowns to the left of me, Jokers to the right,
Here I am, stuck in the middle with you.

Well you started out with nothing,
And you’re proud that you’re a self made man,
And your friends, they all come crawlin,
Slap you on the back and say,
Please.... Please.....


27 posted on 11/28/2012 4:09:08 PM PST by dennisw ( The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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Southrons
31 posted on 11/28/2012 4:13:47 PM PST by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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Are we really free if we’re not free to leave?


33 posted on 11/28/2012 4:19:24 PM PST by APatientMan (Pick a side)
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To: Kaslin

Outstanding article.

The older I become, the less I can find justification for the slaughter of over 600,000 men, and the widows and orphans that produced, in order to keep a “Union” of people who no longer wished to be associated with each other. The economic and social ruin to the South took over a century to repair.

It seems like the case presented by Jefferson in the opening of the Declaration of Independence certainly applied to the South in 1861.


48 posted on 11/28/2012 4:59:27 PM PST by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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Wow..! This is a truly great column.


60 posted on 11/28/2012 6:49:16 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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