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Long past time to repeal the 17th Amendment
REPEAL THE 17TH NOW! ^

Posted on 11/21/2012 6:14:03 PM PST by ReaganÜberAlles

"What's wrong with the people choosing their own Senators?

For starters, this amendment strips power from the states, which ultimately strengthens the federal government. This Amendment removes an important check and balance between the federal government and the states."


TOPICS: Government; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: 17thamendment; repeal
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1 posted on 11/21/2012 6:14:07 PM PST by ReaganÜberAlles
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To: ReaganÜberAlles

Too many of the rank and file citizen are too uneducated to realize that the states themselves as an entity need representation too...


2 posted on 11/21/2012 6:18:06 PM PST by GraceG
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To: ReaganÜberAlles

...as if an Amendment to the Constitution (or the repeal thereof) would mean any more than the Constitution itself, which, of course, is no longer a “controlling legal authority”..


3 posted on 11/21/2012 6:18:22 PM PST by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: ReaganÜberAlles

Too many of the rank and file citizen are too uneducated to realize that the states themselves as an entity need representation too...


4 posted on 11/21/2012 6:18:26 PM PST by GraceG
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To: ReaganÜberAlles
Yes, Repeal It!

There is a sizable bloc of Tea Party supporters calling for repeal of the 17th Amendment to the United States Constitution. The 17th Amendment establishes direct, popular election of U.S. Senators, superseding Article 1, Section 3, Clauses 1 and 2 which empowered state legislatures to elect senators.

Here are some supporting articles:

17th Amendment Mudslinging

Tea Party Wants to Dump 17th Amendment?

Should We Repeal the 17th Amendment?

Repeal Direct Election of Senators?
5 posted on 11/21/2012 6:22:30 PM PST by VitacoreVision
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To: ReaganÜberAlles

Correct! Ironically, this amendment allowing people to vote for senators took power away from the people in each state. The state lost the power of having senators fight for what the states needed, and senators from various states joined together against what their individual states deemed necessary. Do away with this ASAP.


6 posted on 11/21/2012 6:22:46 PM PST by roadcat
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To: ReaganÜberAlles

Agree Heartily!


7 posted on 11/21/2012 6:24:27 PM PST by albionin
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To: cripplecreek

Ping.


8 posted on 11/21/2012 6:25:43 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: GraceG

Absolutely true! Undermines the Federal System. The House to represent the people, based on population, the Senate to represent the States, with two representatives per, so that the states may maintain what sovreignty they had via the Constitution. That’s exactly how I teach it to my High School senior Government class.


9 posted on 11/21/2012 6:26:05 PM PST by cumbo78
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To: ReaganÜberAlles
I agree that we need to repeal the 17th. along with the 16th, the 19th and anyone named Woodrow or Roosevelt
10 posted on 11/21/2012 6:29:04 PM PST by Cowman (How can the IRS seize property without a warrant if the 4th amendment still stands?)
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To: ReaganÜberAlles

I think we should just redo the whole thing and have the President chosen by the House from amongst the Senators (chosen by state legislatures) and Governors.

But if we could do that, can’t we just abolish the income tax amendment??


11 posted on 11/21/2012 6:29:46 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: cripplecreek

For your consideration Cripple.


12 posted on 11/21/2012 6:35:26 PM PST by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: cumbo78
This issue has confused me for some time even though I've been through lengthy explanations form both points of view. If a state such as California elects its Senators in a general election of populist votes, they would (and have) end up with the two senators they currently have. If their legislature which is dominated in both houses by a democrat super majority were to pick the senators the outcome would not be changed.

How might the idea of repeal, as unlikely as it is, alter the outcome of what we do now?

13 posted on 11/21/2012 6:37:58 PM PST by Baynative
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To: ReaganÜberAlles

I would say that you would need a state to disobey the 17th amendment and elect senators via the state legislature. This would set up a supreme court case which could negate the 17th amendment. Or since the constitution allows the states to choose senators maybe nothing will happen other than congress not allowing them to be seated. It would be interesting if a state had the cajones to do it.


14 posted on 11/21/2012 6:38:28 PM PST by PJammers (I can't help it... It's my idiom!)
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To: KC_Lion

I’m fer it.


15 posted on 11/21/2012 6:40:43 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: PJammers
This would set up a supreme court case which could negate the 17th amendment.

The Supreme Court can't overturn amendments, by definition.

This is yet another stupid waste of time and energy that has zero chance of ever happening.

16 posted on 11/21/2012 6:43:00 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: Baynative
How might the idea of repeal, as unlikely as it is, alter the outcome of what we do now?

There are already 24 states with the GOP in control of both houses of the state legislature and governorships. That's 48 GOP senators right off the top. The democrats have 12 or 3 states giving them 24 to 26 democrat senators. The remaining states would likely split their senators between the parties giving the GOP a large majority.
17 posted on 11/21/2012 6:46:17 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: ReaganÜberAlles

No. I don’t trust the legislature.


18 posted on 11/21/2012 6:46:29 PM PST by RichInOC (Palin 2016: The Perfect Storm.)
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To: PJammers

I like your style. I just hope that there is one state that has the nerve to stand up and elect their own senators, and see what happens. Since the 17th was passed in 1913, I would love to see it happen on it’s 100th year anniversary ! !


19 posted on 11/21/2012 6:48:48 PM PST by aloppoct (stucnsf)
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To: ReaganÜberAlles

The 17TH removed a major check of Washington’s power in some very insidious ways. Our supreme Court rules at the pleasure of the Senate. Have you wondered why it seems that even conservative justices trivialize States rights? Our Supreme Court is no longer beholden to the individual states power to appoint the people who can deny their tenure.


20 posted on 11/21/2012 6:52:22 PM PST by rsobin
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