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CBO Report Takes Aim at Pay and Benefits (Military)
Military.com ^ | 11/19/2012 | Terry Howell

Posted on 11/19/2012 6:32:12 PM PST by katiedidit1

The plan to discourage retirees and families from relying on TRICARE has some support in the Senate.

CBO says restricting Prime access to retirees under 65 and their family members would save as much as $10 billion a year.

The servicemembers and retirees should be aware that the deal to avoid the “fiscal cliff” is likely to impact their families as much as the sequestration itself.

(Excerpt) Read more at military.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: militarycuts; tricare

1 posted on 11/19/2012 6:32:17 PM PST by katiedidit1
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To: katiedidit1
CBO has exceeded its remit.


2 posted on 11/19/2012 6:34:43 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: katiedidit1

“The CBO also suggests an option to raise TRICARE enrollment fees, deductibles or copayments, actions also proposed by the administration last April. For working-age retirees, those under 65, fee hikes should be phased over five years and use a “tiered approach” so that senior-grade retirees would pay higher fees than lower-ranking retirees.

Philpott reports that the CBO says higher enrollment fees not only would raise collections but also discourage retirees and families from relying on military health care versus civilian employer health insurance. Higher deductibles and co-pays would restrain use of medical services too and also lower TRICARE costs.

Read more: http://militaryadvantage.military.com/2012/11/avoiding-the-fiscal-cliff-could-be-equally-painful/#ixzz2Cj4yl2ny
MilitaryAdvantage.Military.com


3 posted on 11/19/2012 6:35:27 PM PST by katiedidit1
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To: katiedidit1

Sure we promised you stuff for risking your lives, but the baby mammas and baby daddies needs they food stamps and welfare, so you outta luck.


4 posted on 11/19/2012 6:36:36 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I was looking for you. Could not find Gail or you. Would you ping this?


5 posted on 11/19/2012 6:38:17 PM PST by katiedidit1
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To: katiedidit1

How about cutting the welfre budget by 10%? They wouldn’t even have to cut benefits since most of it is bureaucracy.


6 posted on 11/19/2012 6:41:31 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

>>Sure we promised you stuff for risking your lives, but the baby mammas and baby daddies needs they food stamps and welfare, so you outta luck.

Every day, this government gives me a new reason to hate it more. No one ever seriously talks about cutting welfare, do they? Gotta keep those blacks on the Democrat plantation, ya know.


7 posted on 11/19/2012 6:45:09 PM PST by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Bryanw92

I hope the military knows who thank and acts accordingly.


8 posted on 11/19/2012 6:48:10 PM PST by funfan
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To: katiedidit1
Barry and his commie 'RATS stick it to the military just like they said they weren't going to. I guess Barry and Biden's hos can stop the pro-military family charade that they have been playing for the past four years. I'd bet a dollar to a donut they both are glad to be able to dump that ****.

Fool me once, shame on you, Fool me twice, shame on you again.

LOL!

9 posted on 11/19/2012 6:51:09 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (We need Comprehensive Election Reform, NOW!)
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To: funfan

I just hope they know which way to point the guns when Comrade Soetero orders them to fire on citizens.


10 posted on 11/19/2012 6:54:04 PM PST by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: GeronL

Cut the welfare budget? surely you jest. Read a little on the results of the meeting Obama held with Al Sharpton, the NAACP, La Razza, etc at the White House in regards to America going over the fiscal cliff and guess what? They are going to start a media blitz, flood the phones of congress and go to “their” churches to push for the redistribution of wealth.
Check IT OUT.
We intend to rally through radio, television, our chapters around the country, thousands of churches starting this Sunday, and in any other public conduit we have, to communicate to Congress the need to make an agreement that protects our
community and serves the Nation. This is why people stood in line for hours all over America to vote for a change, and we are confident that President Obama will stand with them. The Congress must join with them across party lines.”
Read more at http://www.eurweb.com/2012/11/rev-al-sharpton-speaks-on-meeting-with-president-obama-and-others-about-fiscal-cliff/#sYrY0d34YZPzrfS8.99


11 posted on 11/19/2012 6:56:00 PM PST by katiedidit1
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To: katiedidit1

20 years ago my wise old man told me the government would never pay me my military retirement.

I told him that the government would also find out that the military showed me how to shoot a rifle a long way with incredible accuracy.

Sad truth but we are getting closer every day.


12 posted on 11/19/2012 6:59:05 PM PST by Newbomb Turk (Hey Newbomb, where's your brothers ElCamino ?)
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To: katiedidit1

A pittance. Cut out any pensions to members of Congress and their staffs, the executive branch and staff members and convert them all over to Social Security and ObamaCare.


13 posted on 11/19/2012 7:00:13 PM PST by RetiredTexasVet (The law of unintended consequences is an unforgiving and vindictive b!tch!)
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To: katiedidit1

Notice how they never go after the benefits of those who did Jack Squat for their country?


14 posted on 11/19/2012 7:05:38 PM PST by rbg81
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To: GeronL
Looking at what CBO says they are going to save by screwing over the military families and what the projected deficits are going to be shows a MAJOR disconnect.

They are talking about saving 80 billion dollars with a deficit of 1 trillion plus.

I have a better idea - no social security monies unless you have already contributed to social security. That will bring in more than this latest attempt to screw the military family.

15 posted on 11/19/2012 7:17:21 PM PST by Nip (BOHEICA and TANSTAAFL - both seem very appropriate today.)
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To: Nip

bump


16 posted on 11/19/2012 7:26:57 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Bryanw92
Gotta keep those blacks on the Democrat plantation, ya know.

It is not just blacks. Include whites, browns, yellows, and a whole bunch of people. We are now a welfare government which includes all ethnic groups.

17 posted on 11/19/2012 7:29:13 PM PST by ProudFossil (" I never did give anyone hell. I just told the truth and they thought it was hell." Harry Truman)
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To: katiedidit1

Send these CBO douchebags to a combat zone.


18 posted on 11/19/2012 7:50:10 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: blueyon; KitJ; T Minus Four; xzins; CMS; The Sailor; ab01; txradioguy; Jet Jaguar; Defender2; ...

Active Duty/Retiree ping.


19 posted on 11/19/2012 7:53:10 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: Jet Jaguar

Please add me to your ping list. Husband is USN Retired


20 posted on 11/19/2012 7:54:53 PM PST by katiedidit1
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To: katiedidit1

Here’s a question for the smart boys and girls at the CBO: what are military retirees (and their dependents) supposed to do in five or six years when private insurance no longer exists? Oh that’s right...get in the line for Obamacare, behind the 47-percenters.


21 posted on 11/19/2012 7:56:59 PM PST by ExNewsExSpook
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To: ExNewsExSpook

One more thing (which never comes out in these articles, because the MSM wants you to believe the military retirees are flush with cash and insurance, and looking for tax shelters):

The average military retiree is an E-6 (SSG in the Army or Marine Corps; TSgt in the Air Force, or PO1 in the Navy). After 20 years of service, they receive about $1700 a month in their pensions, after taxes and deductions. In many localities, that big check might be enough to pay your mortgage and that’s about it. The typical military retiree needs every break they can get regarding health care, because private plans will soon disappear, and recent retirees are the lowest priority in the VA system.

All that, to save $10 billion a year.


22 posted on 11/19/2012 8:02:05 PM PST by ExNewsExSpook
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To: katiedidit1

You are added.


23 posted on 11/19/2012 8:03:21 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: funfan

But they never get their ballots on time...


24 posted on 11/19/2012 8:11:54 PM PST by matginzac
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To: Jet Jaguar

Also respectfully request to be on ping list....
If we get screwed, I’d like to know from which direction....


25 posted on 11/19/2012 8:16:09 PM PST by matginzac
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To: matginzac

You are added.


26 posted on 11/19/2012 8:19:02 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: katiedidit1

Sadly, this will happen. Just like cuts to Medicare and SS will happen.

This is also why we field mercs. Mercs are cheaper long term than US military personal.


27 posted on 11/19/2012 8:19:07 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: ExNewsExSpook

I know a Vietnam vet who will go bankrupt if they impose fees on Tricare For Life....his wife can barely walk as it is and needs the medical care.


28 posted on 11/19/2012 8:19:18 PM PST by matginzac
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To: matginzac
My husband is a Viet Nam vet too and has had several surgeries...pray they don't cut us and for your friend too. They are going to freeze cola's and up fees. This is on top of sequestration
29 posted on 11/19/2012 8:23:37 PM PST by katiedidit1
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To: katiedidit1

the last pensions to be reviewed should be military

first up should be all those local, state and federal employees with massive pension plans lasting decades with little monies contributed


30 posted on 11/19/2012 8:43:32 PM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: katiedidit1

They always go after us Military folks first! I would like them to start with Congress, then all Federal employees, bozo phones, welfare and numerous other vote buying programs.


31 posted on 11/19/2012 10:30:05 PM PST by Cav16 (Cav16)
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To: katiedidit1

My Mom is 86 this year - born Navy, grew up Navy, married Navy - Hell, she BLEEDS Blue and Gold. Not to mention the 25+ years she has volunteered at Walter Reed/Bethesda ...

Between my 2 Grandfathers, my Dad, and myself - we have a combined 80 years of service ...

NO WAY IN HELL AM I GONNA LET THIS HAPPEN. Van Hollen is my Rep - I am going to tell him that I will do everything LEGALLY POSSIBLE to ENSURE that he loses his next election IF they cut the bennies. There is a LARGE retiree population in our District ...

These are NOT benefits that are GIVEN - they are EARNED !!!


32 posted on 11/19/2012 11:18:27 PM PST by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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To: Lmo56

NO WAY IN HELL AM I GONNA LET THIS HAPPEN. Van Hollen is my Rep - I am going to tell him that I will do everything LEGALLY POSSIBLE to ENSURE that he loses his next election IF they cut the bennies. There is a LARGE retiree population in our District ...

These are NOT benefits that are GIVEN - they are EARNED !!!

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and if your rep does not comply? What then? What if the Senate overpowers your rep with their final votes?

What do we do with a government who behaves like this, which rewards criminalism, stupidity and SLOTH over patriotism, duty to country, and sacrifice (not to mention to diss those with the hard skills, physical and mental stamina required to serve in the Armed Forces?

It is LONG past due what we should “do” about a government like this.


33 posted on 11/20/2012 3:41:40 AM PST by LibsRJerks
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Thanks katiedidit1.
The plan to discourage retirees and families from relying on TRICARE has some support in the Senate.

34 posted on 11/20/2012 4:01:04 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: katiedidit1; P-Marlowe

They promised benefits at retirement for those who would for a 20+ year hitch risk their lives, live separated from home, endure hardship conditions, and give strict adherence to rules that stripped a number of rights.

That was the deal.

This is not some comfy-cozy teacher working 8-3, 5 days a week, for 9 months a year, with all federal and state holidays, snow days, and recovery days. And then going driving each afternoon back to the security of hearth and home.

Military career soldiers are the experienced core that makes a military work. Without them, the nation is virtually defenseless.

What was promised should be paid.


35 posted on 11/20/2012 5:10:36 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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There seems to be some confusion in this thread.

The CBO does not make suggestions. The CBO takes a request that some member of Congress makes, like ‘hey, find out how much money we would save/spend if we all wore fruit on our heads’ and they do the math on it.

So, in this case, some Congresscritter has asked the CBO to research what can be saved by cutting into military benefits. The correct target of your ire is that critter, not the CBO. They’re just nerds with calculators.


36 posted on 11/20/2012 5:15:04 AM PST by Domalais
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To: Domalais
Rep. Paul Ryan of Wisconsin, in his role as chairman of the House Budget Committee, requested the report.

Sen. John McCain (Ariz.), ranking Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee, embraced this idea last year in a letter to the Joint Select Committee on Debt Reduction...

http://www.military.com/features/0,15240,252242,00.html
37 posted on 11/20/2012 5:21:44 AM PST by Domalais
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To: Domalais

Woops, broken link.

http://www.military.com/features/0,15240,252242,00.html


38 posted on 11/20/2012 5:22:26 AM PST by Domalais
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To: Domalais

With friends like these, who needs enemies?


39 posted on 11/20/2012 6:09:02 AM PST by 3Fingas
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To: katiedidit1
The “working age” of 65 is a straw man argument. At 60, retirees lose access to Military Treatment Facilities and at age 65 retirees lose TRICARE and are put on Medicaid/Medicare. Essentially no military retiree living outside of 40 miles from a MTF will be allowed to have TRICARE Prime or be able to afford TRICARE Standard. Studies have definitively shown that compared to civilian counterparts (except for first responders) military retirees face an earlier onset of arthritis and other medical conditions related to everything from combat and stress, firing weapons or just maintaining a required high level of physical fitness even into their 50’s. The truth is that TRICARE Prime is not for me, it is for my family. I have 100% (not everyone gets that) coverage by the VA. They can and should raise the premiums and co-pays. But TRICARE should also offer an HSP t offset increased costs. I pay out over $6K in health insurance premiums to cover dental, and utilize an HSP. The HSP is great, but it is not offered to retirees, I purchase it through my spouses employer.
Call your Congress critter and let them know, any cuts or changes to military benefits need to see a corresponding cut to Fed subsidies to Union retirement plans, Obama cell phones, return to land lines only, free computer programs etc...
40 posted on 11/20/2012 6:51:11 AM PST by OldGoatCPO
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To: Olog-hai

I prefer the angus over the chicken, but both are delicious.


41 posted on 11/20/2012 7:07:21 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: Bryanw92

I’ve thought about moving to Panama. Gotta’ do a little more research.


42 posted on 11/20/2012 9:47:31 AM PST by Terry Mross (I haven't watched the news since the election. Someone ping me if anything big happens.)
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To: Nip

Yesterday Rush pointed out that the Homeland security website has links to “new immigrants” on how to get government benefits.....including welfare.


43 posted on 11/20/2012 9:52:39 AM PST by Terry Mross (I haven't watched the news since the election. Someone ping me if anything big happens.)
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To: Jet Jaguar

Will you ping this? http://www.military.com/features/0,15240,252578,00.html


44 posted on 11/26/2012 4:22:10 PM PST by katiedidit1
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To: blueyon; KitJ; T Minus Four; xzins; CMS; The Sailor; ab01; txradioguy; Jet Jaguar; Defender2; ...

Active Duty/Retiree ping.

From MilitaryTimes.com

Congress to Decide How TRICARE Rx Fees Will Rise in ‘13

http://www.military.com/features/0,15240,252578,00.html


45 posted on 11/26/2012 6:40:17 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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