Posted on 11/18/2012 10:04:41 AM PST by guyshomenet
You were doing godd up to this point. While I support and endorse secession as our ONLY means of saving America, I do not, for a second, believe that it will be without bloodshed.
Leftist pundits have compared Obama to Lincoln and, doubtless, with his ego, Obama sees himself that way as well. So, he will repeat history by employing the tactics of Lincoln against the secessionists.
In the end, should this scenario play out as we see it, I agree that, sometime down the road, America will, agaion, re-unify as one nation, under God.
I just learned a new word. It’s sounds king of porny.
Is a Funcation similar to Staycation, except at a Sandals resort?
I like some of your suggestions. I’ve never filed electronically just for the reason you describe: why make it easier on them? I’ve already taken steps to cut my federal taxes from $50K a year down to $12K. Let’s see how they like that if multiplied by the millions?
C’mon! Freepers! Let’s bog ‘em down. What other ideas?
I think all of us should apply for government freebies. Even though not qualified, the paperwork will bog down the government. And apply often. Apply for welfare, free services, free cellphones, etc. If millions of us do that, it'll slow down applications from the moochers, and bog down government offices.
Interesting you mention this. The growing number of Red state govs and legislatures is the likely point of federalist resistance. 31 states if I recall. This is a large block, but will require them to find means for confrontation.
Will never happen. Silly speculation.
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Because all nations last forever. Just ask the Soviets.
“At this point, there is not enough motivation for secession.”
I agree with you. At this point.
Oh Cowboy, I see your vision and it’s lovely, but it’s a dream. I love you, but it ain’t never going to happen in this realm. The world is about used up. The Lord will come soon and then your dream will become reality. The world’s clock was set and it’s winding down. I’m keeping my eyes on the Eastern skies.
Actually, that’s a good one.
Anybody else?
Some people might engage in disruption of the ‘work’ of government employees.
Flat tires and numerous other annoying disruptions to their nefarious machinations...
One way is by purposely keeping both your income and expenses low enough that your tax burden stays at zero, or as close to it as you can come.
Grow a garden, and you can eat food that hasn’t been inspected.
Barter for things when you can. Technically, barter is supposed to be counted the same as cash transactions according to the IRS. But the fact is, that rule is nearly impossible to enforce.
There’s others that are on the tip of my tounge (or fingers, in this case). I’m sure I’ll think of them as soon as I post this.
So grow some tomatoes, and fling some at IRS office windows. There, taxes paid. (Hey IRS if you're spying on me, just kidding.)
We’ve started to implement all of these. Looking for more. If we all (just on FR alone) engaged in two or three daily, it would start to affect the behemoth.
“Will never happen. Silly speculation.”
Who is speculating? All I see is a petition requesting an option for peaceful separation...
That we can be fairly sure of the answer the totalitarian Obama will give is as il-relvent as the possibility of a peaceful secession at this point in time.
What is relevant is the question & cause behind it. It is that cause which you should be talking about. For it is that cause, the inalienable desire for liberty that is the source of our freedom. A small fire is lit, and its symptoms are glowingly apparent.
I would find it more effective and peaceful to publicly shun IRS agents in shame.
We cannot hope to challenge the State in the arena of force. They will find whatever excuse possible to arrest and destroy us in the interest of cementing their own hold on power.
Here is a fantastic article:
http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/
Just remember theses petition are just that petitioner for a question. A question that will firmly establish the tyrants view of the chains we must overcome.
“Mr Booth, please pick up the white courtesy telephone . . .”
It is interesting that you should mention Booth. For such a man could, at the beginning, change the course of history, whereas at the end his actions had little effect at all.
Likewise were something to remove the charismatic Obama from this Stage the nether Bidden, Boehner, nor Reid would be able to replace Obama & his cult like hold upon so many of our people even if they were driven in the same way.
Don’t get me wrong I cannot advocate for anyones “removal” I’m simply making the intellectual point that Tyrannicide is inconsequence to an act at the end but not at the beginning.
Booth failed in his quest to save the confederacy because by the time he carried out his deed the confederacy was already beaten. What Booth did succeed in was reshaping the fate of reconstruction.
Given the multiple forms of real or functional separation (regardless of the term), and that individuals have most of the options at their disposal, then it leaves the realm of speculation and become a question of when and how much.
Regardless, with 31 Rep govs and a red state bock, we well may see re-federalism imposed from the base up.
The Constitution is a pact between the several States, for purposes of forming a nation-level government. The Constitution belongs to the States and the federal behemoth MUST comply with it, which it increasingly is not.
Hence, it is the States that must take action. If even one of the States announces that all federal income tax filings will be kept and not sent along to the IRS, that could be enough to crack the egg shell. Then the fun would REALLY begin!
I still believe Article V allows the states to Amend the Constitution despite a recalcitrant or even hostile Congress. And no, I don’t believe a Constitutional Convention could discard the current Constitution, since you’d never get enough states to ratify a new one. Term limits, anyone?
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