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WSJ: Petraeus pushed out after defending CIA over Benghazi?
Hot Air ^ | November 15, 2012 | Ed Morrissey

Posted on 11/15/2012 11:41:33 AM PST by Seizethecarp

(via Instapundit):

In David Petraeus’s final days at the helm of the Central Intelligence Agency, his relations with chiefs of other U.S. agencies, including his boss, National Intelligence Director James Clapper, took a contentious turn.

At issue was whether the CIA should break its silence about its role in Benghazi, Libya, to counter criticism that increasingly was being leveled at the agency and Mr. Petraeus, said senior officials involved in the discussions.

Mr. Petraeus wanted his aides to push back hard and release their own timeline of the Sept. 11 attacks on the U.S. diplomatic compound in Benghazi and a nearby CIA safe house, seeking to set the record straight and paint the CIA’s role in a more favorable light. Mr. Clapper and agencies including the Pentagon objected, but Mr. Petraeus told his aides to proceed, said the senior officials.

By all accounts, the driving force behind Mr. Petraeus’s departure last Friday was the revelation about his extramarital affair with his biographer. But new details about Mr. Petraeus’s last days at the CIA show the extent to which the Benghazi attacks created a climate of interagency finger-pointing. That undercut the retired four-star general’s backing within the Obama administration as he struggled with the decision to resign.

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Megan Kelly in the past two hours has been prominently highlighting the WSJ reporting that Petraeus' pushing back on the White House narrative is what triggered his firing, not the affair.
1 posted on 11/15/2012 11:41:41 AM PST by Seizethecarp
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To: Seizethecarp
There was a retired Admiral on Lou Dobbs' show last night who said the only thing that made sense to him was that the embassy was deliberately left unguarded so the Moslems could take hostage the Ambassador to use him to exchange for the blind shiek Omar.

btw, after Bret Baker's news from 6-7, I immediately swish (!) channels away from that drama queen Shep Smith and go over to Lou Dobbs.

2 posted on 11/15/2012 11:45:17 AM PST by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: Seizethecarp

He blamed the Youtube video.

That is all we really need to know about the guy.


3 posted on 11/15/2012 11:45:21 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: GeronL

He also blamed Terry Jones for the riots in Afghanistan instead of focusing on killing the enemy.


4 posted on 11/15/2012 11:49:31 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Seizethecarp

Megyn might very well be correct, but I will go a step farther. What if Broncho has told Gen Petraus to keep the party line or he will call him back to active duty and court martial him for his indiscretions?


5 posted on 11/15/2012 11:49:48 AM PST by OldEagle
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To: Seizethecarp; Fred Nerks; TigersEye; Beckwith

Petraeus pushed out after defending CIA over Benghazi?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

You betcha. Petraeus would not subject our national security interest to the Obama (fascist) Campaign. Petraeus lost that battle but managed to make sure enough information got out so that Congress has a chance to deal with Obama’s fascism.

Now petraeus is completely cowed, and must act the subservient general in order to save his personal life,and
perhaps the lives of his children.

Lives are at stake, and Obama, as a fascist, will take them in order to silence those who know that fascism is at work in the area of our own National Security interests, and who can prove the same through evidence.

It may be that the only remedy will be Petraeus’s death, but Obama has to be surgical. Two can play that game.Apparently Obama is willing to take the chance that Petraeus will remain silent , or supportive. I am not so sure about Hillery though on that point, but it is interesting that she was given a golden parachute in order to save her chance to run for president in 2016.

The left fully expect to be keel hauled on Benghazi, and they should be , it was treason of the highest order.


6 posted on 11/15/2012 11:51:18 AM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article: http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

Shep Smith

I watch Ghost Adventures ,much more entertaining LOL


7 posted on 11/15/2012 11:52:16 AM PST by molson209
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To: Seizethecarp

Pushed out? Quite a contrast to All In.


8 posted on 11/15/2012 11:52:57 AM PST by TruthWillWin (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples money.)
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To: dfwgator

bump


9 posted on 11/15/2012 11:53:27 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: GeronL
He blamed the Youtube video.

Was he being blackmailed to say that it was the YouTube video? Was he deliberately kept out of the loop as Benghazi unfolded in real time because of his "security breaches"? Lots of interesting questions still awaiting answers. Not that the press is interested in providing them.

10 posted on 11/15/2012 11:53:51 AM PST by mojito (Zero, our Nero.)
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To: Seizethecarp
The CIA talking points reported by CBS as given to the White House do not match Rice's talking points that she used in the five Sunday interviews. In those interviews she claimed that the best intelligence was that it was a fact that there was no terrorist attack and she omitted all of the caveats and conditional phrasing seen below on that point.

Implication: The White House substituted its own exculpatory talking points for the CIA talking points but claimed that the WH points came from the CIA unchanged.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2959862/posts

The CIA’s talking points read as follows:

“The currently available information suggests that the demonstrations in Benghazi were spontaneously inspired by the protests at the US Embassy in Cairo and evolved into a direct assault against the US diplomatic post in Benghazi and subsequently its annex. There are indications that extremists participated in the violent demonstrations.

This assessment may change as additional information is collected and analyzed and as currently available information continues to be evaluated.

The investigation is on-going, and the US Government is working with Libyan authorities to bring to justice those responsible for the deaths of US citizens.”

11 posted on 11/15/2012 11:53:57 AM PST by Seizethecarp (Defend airframes in the "Runway Kill Zone" (search term) from mini-drone attack!)
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To: OldEagle

!What if Broncho has told Gen Petraus to keep the party line or he will call him back to active duty and court martial him for his indiscretions?”

Well, then he would come upon one of those “life decisions” that he must make. May his career of honor take the lead.


12 posted on 11/15/2012 11:55:29 AM PST by bunster
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To: Candor7

They will hold hearings, the Democrats will lie, and Issa will finish by saying Obama needs to do something about it.

That will be all that happens.


13 posted on 11/15/2012 11:55:29 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: GeronL

Yep, just more Kabuki Theater.


14 posted on 11/15/2012 11:57:36 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

“from that drama queen Shep Smith”

He’s a catty little b*tch, isn’t he? Ugh.


15 posted on 11/15/2012 12:02:16 PM PST by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: GeronL

That will be all that happens.>>>>>>>>>

So? Let the lights of freedom dim until all is utter darkness and the gun is needed.We will not go to that end alone. We are a free people and we are legion.

Not to worry, if this crisis does not frost the cake of freedom and liberty, there will be another opportunity, then another and many more.You can count on these liberal fascists and the Obama Matrix for that, no question.

But maybe Congress will get this right and lay the boots to Obama.They have that chance now.


16 posted on 11/15/2012 12:04:18 PM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article: http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: Candor7

It’s looking like he would have his agency lie to the American people to cover up Obama’s perfidy, however.


17 posted on 11/15/2012 12:06:06 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: Seizethecarp

Clapper is scum.


18 posted on 11/15/2012 12:07:55 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: 9YearLurker

I agree. But there is a threat....just how comprehensive is it...his marriage is in ruins....what else do they have on him? Nothing? Only the pointed dagger of the assassin?

How hard will the shakedown of Petraeus be behind the closed doors of Congress? Obama thinks it will be soft or Petraeus would already have had an accident. I am not so sure it will be soft.


19 posted on 11/15/2012 12:10:38 PM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article: http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: Candor7

Whatever the career threat trigger was, Petraeus has already pulled it and doesn’t have to worry about losing his career anymore...it’s already gone. So Obama has lost that means of control, which was obviously what was being used to make him recant his early position and say stupid things blaming the famous video.

But Obama still has a number of other holds on him, including military charges, deprivation of his pension, and, of course, the final solution for the disobedient.

I’d like to think Petraeus will just stand up and refuse to be intimidated - because actually, going public is probably his best chance for saving his life, metaphorically and literally - but I’m not sure he will. He’s spent his entire life under command and being PC whatsoever king may reign, so I’m not sure there’s really any moral autonomy left there. But one may hope.

I think he could change it all if he testified honestly, and there would be no way for either Obama or his apparatchiks to escape.


20 posted on 11/15/2012 12:11:49 PM PST by livius
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To: Seizethecarp

Get that frikkin Hillary witch back in this country and on the stand!!!!!! This whole mess is in the lap of State, not the CIA. Hell to pay.


21 posted on 11/15/2012 12:11:58 PM PST by SueRae (It isn't over. In God We Trust.)
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To: Seizethecarp

“WSJ: Petraeus pushed out after defending CIA over Benghazi?”

I don’t read any article that starts with a question.


22 posted on 11/15/2012 12:13:15 PM PST by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi
"....the embassy was deliberately left unguarded so the Moslems could take hostage the Ambassador to use him to exchange for the blind shiek Omar."

Info to date indicates that Stevens wasn't in on the joke.

23 posted on 11/15/2012 12:17:01 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Seizethecarp

The plot has considerably thickened today.


24 posted on 11/15/2012 12:18:10 PM PST by buffaloguy
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To: Candor7

Petraeus should stay well away from boating accidents for the next decade.


25 posted on 11/15/2012 12:19:18 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: livius

I think he could change it all if he testified honestly, and there would be no way for either Obama or his apparatchiks to escape.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

We will see. But there is something vile under all of this that is not yet disclosed.We can smell it. It looks as if Petraeus will support Obama, and since it will be a Senate Committee in camera ( closed doors), I am sure Feinstein will protect Obama. We need Petraeus before Issa’s House Oversight Commmittee.

IMHO Petraeus has convinced Obama he will support him...which is why the hearing has been scheduled, remember at first Petraeus’s attendence was postponed until he “sorted his life out.”

But this may behind closed doors develop into the greatest shakedown of a general that has ever been....and I fear his life may be put in danger before he can appear before a House Committee in public.


26 posted on 11/15/2012 12:21:42 PM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article: http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: Seizethecarp

If I was a lefty, and given the choice to either blame the CIA, the Pentagon, or State, I’d choose the CIA. Just sayin’.


27 posted on 11/15/2012 12:24:31 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Seizethecarp
I had the impression yesterday while watching the press conference that Obama was very confident he had The General under control. I sure hope he is sworn in on Friday.
28 posted on 11/15/2012 12:33:13 PM PST by JIM O
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To: Candor7

I can hope you’re right, but I don’t trust the GOP to pressure him sufficiently to change the false testimony he already gave.


29 posted on 11/15/2012 12:56:54 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: Seizethecarp

MEMO TO GENERAL PETRAEUS: Of course you will tell the truth. No question. But you are authorized to include your professional opinion of how politics has tainted objective truth and obscured the information the public and Congress are entitled to know.


30 posted on 11/15/2012 1:03:03 PM PST by Rapscallion ( OBAMA: You own it now. See if you can govern it.)
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To: TruthWillWin

keyboard spew alert


31 posted on 11/15/2012 1:03:19 PM PST by SteveH (First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.)
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To: Candor7
But there is something vile under all of this that is not yet disclosed.

I entirely agree, and I'm not sure any of the scenarios floated here have hit it. I can't imagine what it is, because mere incompetence or even the intentional protection of Muslims at the cost of the lives of American citizens wouldn't bother the media or be enough to rile the American population, which has accepted Obama's argument that Muslims are good and America is evil and the source of all evils and we deserve whatever happens to us.

So it must be something so massively bad that it's beyond the normal scope of things and something that might actually wake up Americans and make them turn on Obama to protect him.

That's the only reason I can see for this utterly frantic cover-up, which has now engulfed all the branches of government and has sealed like a shell around Obama.

This to me also means that a lot of them are implicated and are afraid we will find out.

32 posted on 11/15/2012 1:03:50 PM PST by livius
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To: Seizethecarp

bkmk


33 posted on 11/15/2012 1:04:32 PM PST by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: livius; Candor7
Ooops, my cutting and pasting missed its mark. Here's what I wanted to say:

...and something that might actually wake up Americans and make them turn on Obama.

....That's the only reason I can see for this utterly frantic cover-up, which has now engulfed all the branches of government and has sealed like a shell around Obama to protect him.

34 posted on 11/15/2012 1:08:28 PM PST by livius
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To: Seizethecarp

The left looks completely ridiculous right now. After Bill Clinton’s affair with Monica. Come on. And they are ignoring Hillary’s affair with Huma. They are becoming laughing stocks.


35 posted on 11/15/2012 1:09:57 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: Seizethecarp

I wonder what blackmail they had on Chief Justice Roberts.

The regime is more then despicable. They are a criminal enterprise that makes la cosa Nostra look like the little rascals by comparison


36 posted on 11/15/2012 1:10:04 PM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Vaquero

Apparently what they had on Roberts involved his adopted children and how he got them into the US. At least that is what I kinda remember.


37 posted on 11/15/2012 1:11:50 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: livius

Could he lose his pension if court martial? Maybe this is being held over him, no court martial and you get a pension if you tell it like they want. We need someone to admit there were requests for help that were turned down. How is it that the ex seals were told to stand down yet there is no request for help? If we can’t get an answer in 3+ years on Fast & Furious, why should we expect and different on this?


38 posted on 11/15/2012 1:21:07 PM PST by Tspud1
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To: Tspud1

Question. Why does the testimony have to be secret? I mean couldn’t they bleep out the top secret stuff, lol?


39 posted on 11/15/2012 1:26:43 PM PST by DrewsMum
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Benghazi Index

40 posted on 11/15/2012 1:26:52 PM PST by MestaMachine (TREASON!!!!)
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To: Vaquero; Seizethecarp

The CIA timeline published by the WSJ said the Ambassador and one other were dead when they retreated to the annex. So, what about the video of them pulling him out of a building and the story that a doctor struggled to save him but he died at the hospital?


41 posted on 11/15/2012 1:35:25 PM PST by bukkdems (Polygamy requires thinning the herd of males, unless territory can be conquered.)
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To: TruthWillWin

“Pushed out? Quite a contrast to All In.”

The original draft of “All In” was called “Just the Tip”.


42 posted on 11/15/2012 1:44:13 PM PST by MikeSteelBe (Austrian Hitler was, as the Halfrican Hitler does.)
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To: 1rudeboy
If I was a lefty, and given the choice to either blame the CIA, the Pentagon, or State, I’d choose the CIA. Just sayin’.

The CIA and State were infiltrated by the same commies since the 30's. Knee jerk, never gets old, tried and true leftist response is to instinctively blame the Pentagon.

No, not golden boy pant load Panetta......the actual military officers. You know the neo-con, warmongering, blood for oil, baby killing, PTSD suffering, drug addicted, lower income, white, right wing mercenaries of the military that become right wing lone wolf domestic terrorists.

Why was it "their fault?" Pfff every good "progressive" knows there isn't enough oil, gold, and resources in Libya to satisfy the military's blood lust. Which is why Dear Reader had to force them to "do the right thing" and "support democracy" in Libya." But, if they could escalate the video protest until an Ambassador was killed, they could have their next Halliburton profiting war....

Did that last paragraph sound contradictory? Then you must not be a good "progressive." All hail Dear Reader.

I think the only reason CIA is facing blame in this instance is because they can discredit a former General Officer, who might I add - discredited himself. That's just my two cents of the warped leftist mind.

43 posted on 11/15/2012 1:55:22 PM PST by Repeat Offender (Official Romney/GOP-E Platform - We suck less)
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To: Seizethecarp

Note the dates: Both after Rice went on the shows.....

Sept. 18: Obama was asked about the Benghazi attack on “The Late Show with David Letterman.”
“As offensive as this video was and, obviously, we’ve denounced it and the United States government had nothing to do with it.
http://factcheck.org/2012/10/benghazi-timeline/

President Barack Obama’s speech to the UN General Assembly — full text September 25, 2012
“That is what we saw play out the last two weeks, as a crude and disgusting video sparked outrage throughout the Muslim world. I have made it clear that the United States government had nothing to do with this video”
http://www.timesofisrael.com/president-barack-obamas-speech-to-the-un-general-assembly-full-text/


44 posted on 11/15/2012 2:27:22 PM PST by Sleeping Freeper
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To: GeronL
He blamed the Youtube video.

You don't know that. Get back to me when you have real hard evidence that he did.

45 posted on 11/15/2012 2:38:22 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign

“He blamed the Youtube video.....
You don’t know that. Get back to me when you have real hard evidence that he did.”

Exactly right! It was a closed meeting and it was reported by someone other than Petreaus who was in the meeting that Petreaus blamed the video. I’ve tried finding his quote myself and it doesn’t exist!


46 posted on 11/15/2012 2:49:50 PM PST by Sleeping Freeper
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To: FreeReign

Petraeus is fully capable of lying. He lied to his wife while having an affair. He lied to the public and Congress by saying that it was the video that caused the “rioting” in Benghazi. So my guess is it would not be a stretch to think that Petraeus is fully capable of lying in the hearing tomorrow behind closed doors. I don’t bank on his telling the truth. Never much liked him, didn’t get good vibes. Didn’t trust him. Now I know why.


47 posted on 11/15/2012 2:57:35 PM PST by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: Candor7
It may be that the only remedy will be Petraeus’s death, but Obama has to be surgical. Two can play that game

Nonsense, it's safer to go nuclear if you have the goods. If Petraeus came out and flatly accused Barky of treason, his family would be so visible as to be a lot safer than if he plays coy.

After all, Jennifer Flowers is still alive.

48 posted on 11/15/2012 3:04:12 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party: advancing indenture since 1787.)
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To: Candor7

I read (was it only yesterday?) and maybe you did too, that Patreaus offered to testify, after saying he was postponing to “put his life together”.

That sort of indicates to (but what do I know) that he may be bucking 0bastard’s leash.

I know there’s a FR thread but don’t know where it is. I’d have to look for 2 hours probably, there’s so much stuff. Maybe you read it anyway.

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/11/14/breaking-petraeus-to-testify-on-benghazi-attacks/

Update: Fox reports that Petraeus initiated the agreement to talk with the committees, but at least one of these will be off-site and presumably behind closed doors:


49 posted on 11/15/2012 3:18:46 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Candor7
Now petraeus is completely cowed, and must act the subservient general in order to save his personal life,and perhaps the lives of his children.

Obama needs nothing so severe as to control Petraeus' actions.

He appointed Mrs. Petraeus to a $187,465 federal job with the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.

He who appoints can, er, unappoint.

50 posted on 11/15/2012 3:21:56 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA; Ignorance on parade.)
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