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ABC News: Hey, This Doctor Shortage Could "Crash" Obamacare
Townhall ^ | 11/15/2012 | Guy Benson

Posted on 11/15/2012 8:43:01 AM PST by SeekAndFind

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To: Clarence

what does a two-tiered system look like? I keep thinking about private and public schools....

101 posted on 11/15/2012 10:10:20 AM PST by jaybee
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To: grumpygresh

Good point! Would YOU want to be Pelosi’s plastic surgeon? :-)

102 posted on 11/15/2012 10:12:44 AM PST by COBOL2Java (The GOP-e said "Beat a Marxist with a Liberal!" What a colossal blunder.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Meanwhile, 59 million Obama voters said “No more Doctors? That’s TERRIBLE! We need to do something to address this horrific iss.......wait, is that American Idol?”

103 posted on 11/15/2012 10:17:51 AM PST by wbill
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To: jaybee

You’re right, more or less private and public.

Many European countries have two tiered system, in the UK for example, people with means do not always use the NHS and may choose a private doctor, for some issues.

From wiki:

“Private health care has continued parallel to the NHS, paid for largely by private insurance: it is used by about 8% of the population, generally as an add-on to NHS services and mostly obtained through employer funded insurance schemes. This is a taxable benefit to the employee (i.e. the value is imputed by the tax authorities as income to the beneficiary). Because NHS services are so comprehensive, there are many areas where the private sector usually does not compete and private insurers almost always refuse to fund. Childbirth and perinatal services are good examples. Conversely, there are some areas where the NHS does not offer free treatment (cosmetic surgery for vanity purposes for example) and thus the private sector offers a pay-for-service alternative.”

104 posted on 11/15/2012 10:18:31 AM PST by Clarence
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To: sockhead
The awful evil pharm companies are shutting down production of all kinds of unprofitable drugs.

It was always a deeply held secret (at least by the anti-doctor, anti-pharm establishment media) that many of these companies produced unprofitable drugs "pro bono"--but why continue to do this if you're constantly demonized, anyway?

105 posted on 11/15/2012 10:30:47 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: Trod Upon
I always wished that doctors would refuse to treat lawyers. It'd be legal, you know, to discriminate against the despicable thieves.

Particularly ob-gyns, as there are so many female lawyers now who may be capable of reproducing.

Let 'em go out in the fields and squat when their time comes, like that Warren squaw in Mass.

Texas will have plentiful medical care for many years to come, thanks to the brilliant Gov Perry.

106 posted on 11/15/2012 10:35:30 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: SeekAndFind

the doctors in my husband’s extended family have all indicated that they will close their practices as soon as they can. They’ve already stopped accepting new patients.

And, they said no way would they encourage their children going into medicine. Not here in the US at least...

107 posted on 11/15/2012 10:57:40 AM PST by sassy steel magnolia
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To: SeekAndFind

There will not be a doctor shortage. Each doctor that leaves will be replaced with an affirmative action. The medical knowledge and expertese will drop to zero, but there will be no doctor shortage.

108 posted on 11/15/2012 11:01:31 AM PST by sport
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To: BlueStateRightist
We are in for a very RUDE AWAKENING. And, yes, get ready for your serious medical conditions to be addressed by a salaried physician assistant or nurse practitioner. Maybe Dr. Muhammed will come in and take a look.

A mirror image of what my V.A. care is today...

109 posted on 11/15/2012 11:05:22 AM PST by JDoutrider
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To: SeekAndFind

No problem. We will just evaluate the members of the Department of Education and those that qualify will be sent to the appropriate Department of Vocational later training. When their training is completed, they will be assigned a medical facility for their occupational duties.

Our name is Equality 7-2521

110 posted on 11/15/2012 11:23:07 AM PST by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: dfwgator

“I suspect soon the medical profession will become like the military”

I really think it’ll be more like it was (maybe still is?) in Russia. Children will be given basic placement/IQ testing, then the government will decree the kid’s future, and they will be trained, groomed, and assigned a career. The way they handle athletes, etc.

111 posted on 11/15/2012 11:24:01 AM PST by MayflowerMadam
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To: SeekAndFind

10,000 Dr Mohammid from Pakistan will be right over as soon as Barry send the word.

112 posted on 11/15/2012 11:32:26 AM PST by KC Burke (Plain Conservative opinions and common sense correction for thirteen years.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I have an extended family member who is a Nursing Assistant (i.e. glorified bed pan emptier) at a local hospital. Her employer has been putting them all through training on HOW TO GIVE A ROUTINE PHYSICAL.

For what its worth.

113 posted on 11/15/2012 11:39:55 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: MayflowerMadam
I really think it’ll be more like it was (maybe still is?) in Russia

My understanding is that in the USSR the vast majority of doctors were women (primarily ones who had flunked out of teachers college and been told "okay, you're a doctor now") It was a very low-status occupation there.

114 posted on 11/15/2012 11:43:24 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: sheana

Have you ever noticed that whatever they officially name a bill, it always does the opposite. It is if it is by design. lol

I have noticed that, and commented on it often.

Also, their stated goals. For example, they touted Fannie/Freddie policies to provide affordable housing for low income people. Results:

1. First housing costs soared(less affordable)
2. Financial crisis resulting in foreclosures and people losing their homes.
3. Home prices are now very affordable, but most people can’t get them due to no job, poor credit rating etc. Course wealthy people can snap them up easy.

2cnd example: Buffet Rule to ask the wealthy like Buffet to pay a little more. Likely result:

1. Probably won’t impact Buffet’s income tax paid to any material amount.
2. Buffet keeps his salary comparatively low: $100 thousand salary, and $75 thousand for director fees. (less than $200 thousand).
3. A lot of his expenses are paid by the company: Corporate Jet travel etc. and other than that he lives frugally in a modest home.
4. Taxing his net worth might work, but there is no way that’s happening.

115 posted on 11/15/2012 12:03:29 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: listenhillary

I don’t know they are doing pretty well with me right now.

116 posted on 11/15/2012 12:06:19 PM PST by redangus
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To: SCalGal

That is so true also! Irks me to no end.

117 posted on 11/15/2012 12:26:21 PM PST by southernindymom
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To: sassy steel magnolia

RE: the doctors in my husband’s extended family have all indicated that they will close their practices as soon as they can.

So, what are they going to do next? They still got bills to pay you know...

118 posted on 11/15/2012 12:47:42 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
In the fairly near term, expect primary care physicians to each be running a team of nurse practitioners who actually see patients, do initial workups, write prescriptions and make routine treatment decisions. They will have access to the MD for consultation as needed. This is already happening in nursing homes. Many residents never see a physician any more, unless it is on referral to a specialist for an acute situation, or on admission to a hospital.
119 posted on 11/15/2012 1:35:30 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Vigilanteman

Didn’t mean to insult veterinarians. Was just using a similar field where there is a substantial difference in pay for somewhat similar care.

120 posted on 11/15/2012 1:56:55 PM PST by jsanders2001
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To: mosaicwolf
Lower the standards for medical school. Lets call this new approach Affirmative Action Medical Support Program for OBAMACARE.

You mean lower them further... Remember the affirmative action case that eventually went to the SCOTUS, the Bakke (sp?) case, where a more qualified white guy didn't get admission to a medical school, even though he was more than qualified. Instead, a far less qualified black guy was admitted in his place. Some years later, IIRC, the so called "affirmative action doctor" killed someone, and after quite a few complaints and lawsuits, has since lost his medical license.


121 posted on 11/15/2012 4:33:54 PM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: SeekAndFind


122 posted on 11/16/2012 5:44:40 PM PST by GOP Poet
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To: SeekAndFind
Why not accept more applicants to Medical School?

Because people smart enough to do the financial math, are smart enough to avoid the nightmare entirely.

Those who aren't, probably aren't smart enough to become decent docs.

123 posted on 11/16/2012 6:45:59 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month)
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