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Woman dies in Ireland after abortion 'refused'
4 News ^ | 11/14/2012 | 4 News

Posted on 11/14/2012 2:07:53 PM PST by soycd

Savita Halappanavar, who was 17 weeks pregnant, died on 28 October after suffering a miscarriage and septicaemia.

Her husband, Praveen Halappanavar, 34, says she had complained of being in agonising pain while in Galway University Hospital.

But doctors said they could not terminate the pregnancy while there was still a foetal heartbeat and that Ireland is a "Catholic country".

(Excerpt) Read more at channel4.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abortion; death; exceptions; life
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1 posted on 11/14/2012 2:08:02 PM PST by soycd
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To: soycd

Sad but I wonder if its true.


2 posted on 11/14/2012 2:10:07 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: soycd

If true (that’s an if), she died of septicemia, not lack of abortion.

Abortions don’t prevent or cure septicemia.


3 posted on 11/14/2012 2:10:35 PM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: Persevero; Morgana

bump


4 posted on 11/14/2012 2:14:40 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Persevero; driftdiver
Abortions don’t prevent or cure septicemia.

I know I'm gonna get flamed relentlessly (by some,at least) for this but...here goes:

Abortion as a form of birth control,as I'll wager constitute at least 99% of this country's abortions...is perhaps the most despicable crime (and sin) that one can commit against humanity.However,I,never having attended medical school,cannot be certain that there are not some *medical* conditions (as opposed to *psychiatric* conditions) that demand nothing less than an abortion to save the very life of the mother.I think that only qualified physicians can have *any* credibility on that particular question.If,by chance,such conditions *do* exist I'd be inclined to at least consider supporting abortions in those *very limited* circumstances.Of course I'd listen very carefully to arguments made by those who *oppose* abortions in such situations as well.

5 posted on 11/14/2012 2:24:45 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Benghazi: What Did Baraq Know And When Did He Know It?)
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To: soycd

If she’d already had a miscarriage, why did she need an abortion? It seems to me that she died of something else — seemingly lack of care after a miscarriage.


6 posted on 11/14/2012 2:27:07 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: soycd

Explain how she had a miscarriage and there was still a heart beat.
She died because she was septic not because she didn’t have an abortion.


7 posted on 11/14/2012 2:28:04 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: soycd
Ireland is a holdout on abortion. Must clear that out. If no children can be aborted to save the life of the mother, women must be dying all the time over there, but curiously haven’t heard of it before. Interesting that they don’t appear to be Irish. Have to learn the local customs. Like in parts of India they leave their dead out for vultures to recycle their flesh.
8 posted on 11/14/2012 2:34:18 PM PST by throwback (The object of opening the mind, is as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid.)
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To: Persevero

Agree! Abortion is never necessary... They could have just induced labor, but it sounded like she miscarried anyway. Scalding the baby, chopping him to pieces or shoving scissors into the back of his skull would not have saved his mother’s life. She obviously had other medical issues, but the journalist is using this tragedy to rationalize infanticide.


9 posted on 11/14/2012 2:34:30 PM PST by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: Gay State Conservative

I remember reading an article by a prolife doctor who very bluntly stated “There is no medical condition threatening the life of the mother that needs to result in a dead child.”
Granted, he was discussing late term partial birth abortion and why the excuse of the “life of the mother” is invalid.
It certainly sounds to me like she died of sepsys and an abortion would not have cured that.


10 posted on 11/14/2012 2:37:11 PM PST by Wiser now (Socialism does not eliminate poverty, it guarantees it.)
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To: soycd
“But doctors said they could not terminate the pregnancy while there was still a foetal heartbeat and that Ireland is a “Catholic country”.

Too bad Ireland has a lot of other screwed-up ideas. Lots of us may be looking for someplace to immigrate to in the not so distant future.

11 posted on 11/14/2012 2:39:51 PM PST by I cannot think of a name
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To: soycd

“Savita and Praveen Halappanavar”

Yeah, they’re Irish.


12 posted on 11/14/2012 2:40:26 PM PST by Senator Goldwater
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To: Gay State Conservative
"I,never having attended medical school,cannot be certain that there are not some *medical* conditions (as opposed to *psychiatric* conditions) that demand nothing less than an abortion to save the very life of the mother.I think that only qualified physicians can have *any* credibility on that particular question.If,by chance,such conditions *do* exist I'd be inclined to at least consider supporting abortions in those *very limited* circumstances."

I'm in the same boat as you. Philosophically, I frame this as follows:

Suppose a mother had a 17 year old son who was truly criminally insane, such that he could not differentiate right from wrong, and was not in control of his faculties. If in his derangement, he posed a direct and immediate threat to his mother's life, I don't think there is a FReeper or conservative in general who would argue against the woman's right to employ lethal force in defense of her life. It would be sad, tragic and regrettable, but it would not, IMHO, be immoral.

That hypothetical leads me to conclude that similarly, if an unborn child (who is every bit as much a viable human being as the 17 year old child) posed a direct and immediate, albeit entirely unwitting, threat to the life of the mother, then the same self-defense argument would apply, although make no mistake about it, abortion is lethal force.

Having said that, my untrained medical mind can simply not perceive of a situation in which wrenching an unborn child from a mother's uterus, or pumping her so full of saline that the child dies and needs to be chopped up and extracted, would ever contribute to the health of the mother. I suspect in most cases, particularly late in term, a C-Section or induced labor would be a much less traumatic procedure, and while the child might die as a result, the procedure itself would have been performed with the intent of doing everything possible to preserve two lives.

13 posted on 11/14/2012 2:54:19 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: soycd

If she had a miscarriage there would have no longer been a fetus so no heartbeat. An incomplete miscarriage would have left behind enough tissue to cause septicemia. A D&C might have been in order but even in an incomplete miscarriage there is no heartbeat or viable fetus. Someone has really confused this story.


14 posted on 11/14/2012 2:57:21 PM PST by nclaurel
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To: soycd
According to the report, she was in pain from the miscarriage. After the Baby died inutero at 17 - 18 weeks, it was removed. She then died from E-Coli infection and Septicemia. NOT EXACTLY CAUSED BY LACK OF AN ABORTION>

At what point did the fetus pass E-Coli to the woman?

What a crock of $HIT!

15 posted on 11/14/2012 3:20:21 PM PST by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: Gay State Conservative

There was a Congressman who was a practicing OB/GYN. On the floor of the House he stated in 20 yrs of practice he had never seen a case where the only option was to abort the baby.

I supposed its possible. The baby is a person and as such deserves the protection each of us have.


16 posted on 11/14/2012 3:25:09 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: nclaurel
If she had a miscarriage there would have no longer been a fetus so no heartbeat. An incomplete miscarriage would have left behind enough tissue to cause septicemia. A D&C might have been in order but even in an incomplete miscarriage there is no heartbeat or viable fetus. Someone has really confused this story.

But there may be a heartbeat in an "inevitable miscarriage" (bleeding & dilation, but the fetus remains in the uterus). And sometimes those do not progress. That can cause significant risk of infection leading to septicemia. It's possible that's what happened here.

17 posted on 11/14/2012 3:37:44 PM PST by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: soycd

How tragic. We don’t have enough information to determine whether the doctors did what they should have or not. Is inducing labor considered abortion? Obviously, the baby would not live at 17 weeks gestation, but the mother might have. We’re there abnormalities with the baby? Sometimes it is necessary to induce in order to save one or both lives. Now there are two dead.


18 posted on 11/14/2012 4:01:15 PM PST by petitfour
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To: soycd

That should have said “Were there . . .”


19 posted on 11/14/2012 4:02:14 PM PST by petitfour
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To: soycd

RIP.


20 posted on 11/14/2012 4:18:20 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: I cannot think of a name
Lots of us may be looking for someplace to immigrate to in the not so distant future.

Malta

21 posted on 11/14/2012 5:03:48 PM PST by grellis (I am Jill's overwhelming sense of disgust.)
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To: soycd
"The husband of a pregnant woman who died in Ireland after being refused an abortion tells Channel 4 News he "strongly believes" that she would be alive had doctors terminated the pregnancy."

That creates this story. "He believes".

Impeach the kenyan or secession.


22 posted on 11/14/2012 5:44:28 PM PST by ex91B10 (We've tried the Soap Box,the Ballot Box and the Jury Box; ONE BOX LEFT!)
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To: grellis
“Malta”

Is that serious or sarcastic?

I ask because I LOVE the weather there, but really don't know much about the country during the last 30 years. I had assumed that being that close to Europe the had picked up all of the same bad/silly habits. It would be great to find out they are still sane.

23 posted on 11/14/2012 5:51:53 PM PST by I cannot think of a name
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To: driftdiver

“There was a Congressman who was a practicing OB/GYN. On the floor of the House he stated in 20 yrs of practice he had never seen a case where the only option was to abort the baby.”

Then this is the dumbest thing that has ever been said by a doctor.

What about an ectopic pregnancy? What about first trimester preeclampsia??


24 posted on 11/14/2012 9:07:43 PM PST by Marie ("The last time Democrats gloated this hard after a health care victory, they lost 60 House seats.")
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>> Ireland is a “Catholic country”.

“Catholics”!!!


25 posted on 11/14/2012 9:16:33 PM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: Marie

Well I guess the MD should have consulted you.


26 posted on 11/15/2012 3:20:26 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: throwback
Like in parts of India they leave their dead out for vultures to recycle their flesh.

Note that it's not leave their dead out -- the dead of the Zoroastrian religion specifically are put in towers with the vultures

The reason for this is that the Zoroastrians believe that the dead bodies pollute land or sea and that fire is holy, so they cannot be consigned to flames. So, the vultures eating is the purest form according to them

It's only Zoroastrians who are descendents of Iranis who escaped from Islam, no other community in India does that.

27 posted on 11/15/2012 3:26:08 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: I cannot think of a name

Economically it’s typical of Europe—a mess. Socially—extremely conservative. Remember a few years back when there were “abortion ships” cruising around pro-life locales, so women could go offshore to murder their progeny? (Nice vacation package, right?) Maltese officials stated in no uncertain terms that any such ship entering its waters would be considered, essentially, a hostile enemy and would be treated with impunity.


28 posted on 11/15/2012 5:36:23 AM PST by grellis (I am Jill's overwhelming sense of disgust.)
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