Do not cave-in to the so-called "dream act"

Nov 11, 2012 | Jim Robinson

[Jane Long]

I'd like to see a separate thread (I'd do it, but I stink at posting pictures and starting threads....aarrrhhgg!) titled BOEHNER MUST GO! with every atrocity he's stated since this *election*...here's a starting list:

The pResident has a mandate
Amnesty
Increases revenues/taxes
Must stop this fiscal cliff (where was he on this during the campaign??)
And, on and on...

You are right....EVERYONE should be calling their Repub Reps and calling on them to FIRE Bonehead!!

[machogirl]

thanks

[stephenjohnbanker]

” All who have GOP Representatives, please call to tell them not to vote Boehner speaker when the session starts! I just did.”

I just did as well.
Get on board, folks!

[onyx]

BTTT

Mine is a filthy, corrupt demonic-rat. He won’t be voting for Boehner.

[ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas]

Mine is a filthy, corrupt demonic-rat. He won’t be voting for Boehner.

Those who are "represented" by Graham and McCain will be on the same side as the rats on amnesty.

[gunsequalfreedom]

Illegals should get no work, no welfare, no driver license, no school, no bank account, no rental agreement ... nothing.

It aint gonna happen. There is no political way that what you advocate is going to happen. So why do you waste time pushing it?

Take what you can get in the debate or lose on all points.

[ArrogantBustard]

This is real life, not high school debate team.

What part of my post is wrong? What part of my post suggests that we must have all at once or nothing?

Pushing parts of my suggestion in the several states is a path to success, not a waste of time.

[cradle of freedom]

The Dream Act means that we will become a one party nation.

[cradle of freedom]

What would be a good fine that would be acceptable as a condition to let them stay? Hmmn, maybe $50,000? If they can pay the coyotes thousands of dollars they can pay us for the priviledge of staying here.

[cradle of freedom]

The Goldwater 1964 election put Republicans in the tank for years. The universal feeling at the time was that the Republican party was done. If you look back at that time, it was just a year after the assasination of JFK, the house and senate and president were democrat so what could you expect. America was on a big democrat high but the conservatives stuck to their principles and we finally got Ronald Reagan. But we really have to do something about immigration. Why is it that it is okay to say that we should have more immigration but it is never okay to say that we should have less immigration?

Somehow we have to take this Hispanic sensitivity thing and turn it around. We should ask: Do you really believe that illegal aliens only do the jobs that Americans won’t do? Do you think that a million immigrants is too much? We have to come up with some questions to ask the people. Hispanics are not the only ones who have a stake in this question.

Conservatives have to do polling and focus groups on the immigration issue and then we have to hire professional public relations people to present our views in the most polished way possible. The Democrats are very slick and masters of word use but somehow the Republican party does not have its act together when picking a theme and articulating in an effective way.

[darrellmaurina]

7 posted on Sun Nov 11 2012 18:55:52 GMT-0600 (Central Standard Time) by gusty: “How about a counter proposal. The Dream Act only applies to military service only. As a long shot, how about an American version of the French Foreign Legion. After 7 years service, you can become a citizen upon discharge. The AFF could be used in all kinds of hot spots that American families would not want to send their own kids, just like the French use it. If you survive or don’t desert, you are given your citizenship.”

Actually, that counter-proposal already exists.

While the DREAM act is almost completely wrong, Google MAVNI (Military Acquisitions Vital to the National Interest).

MAVNI, as originally designed, was a good program, formalizing things that had been done on an ad-hoc basis and unofficially, to recruit foreign citizens already living legally in the United States who have language skills at the enlisted level and medical skills at the officer level (basically nurses or doctors, already licensed to practice) for which we simply can't get enough from the pool of typical Army recruits. A very small quota went to other services, but MAVNI was basically an Army program due to the much greater need for numbers in the Army compared to the other smaller services.

The MAVNI program works, it recruits people who are at the upper ends of the military aptitude scales, and a MAVNI recruit became the Soldier of the Year recently.

The creation of the DREAM Act scuttled MAVNI, though it's been re-instituted on a temporary basis again. We'll see how long that lasts.

I have no problem with giving American citizenship to people who served honorably in the Armed Forces. For those who think MAVNI takes jobs away from Americans, the simple fact is that if the Army were a private company, its recruiting difficulties would provide valid grounds for the special work permits issued to people who have high-demand jobs that Americans don't want.

By the way, Spanish has never been a qualifying language for MAVNI recruitment. Nobody thinks we're going to be fighting a major war against a Spanish speaking country. The key languages for recruitment are Korean, Chinese, Arabic, and Farsi, with other languages of the former Soviet Union and Eastern Europe and other former Soviet client states allowed as well, plus some other high-need languages in places we might realistically fight and where we would need people who know the language.