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Do not cave-in to the so-called "dream act"
Nov 11, 2012 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 11/11/2012 4:49:52 PM PST by Jim Robinson

The dream act is a socialist democrat dream come true. And a nightmare for liberty minded Americans. The dream act solves no problems. Amnesty solves no problems. The border will not be enforced and instead will be flung wide open.

We do not have jobs for Senator Graham's "eleven million" illegal aliens already here and their offspring nor the other eleven or twelve million he's not counting and their offspring and all their relatives that will be following. We cannot afford the welfare, foodstamps, housing, education, healthcare, EITC, etc, that they demand. And the flood across the borders will be impossible to stop once they are accepted here with open arms.

And they'll vote largely for the democrats. Republicans will never win another election. It's a democrat dream come true.

Hold fast to the rule of law. Damn the RINOs!! Enforce the borders!!


TOPICS: Business/Economy; FReeper Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; boehner; borders; dreamact; economy; illegal; immigration; jobs; rino; rinos
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1 posted on 11/11/2012 4:50:01 PM PST by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson

Super agree!


2 posted on 11/11/2012 4:50:51 PM PST by Williams (No Obama)
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To: Jim Robinson

I liked Rush’s proposal (which of course could never happen):

Let them become “instant citizens” if they are prohibited from voting for 25 years.


3 posted on 11/11/2012 4:51:54 PM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's bankruptcy: 2016)
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To: nascarnation

I also like what else Rush had to say about this election.

“It’s hard to fire Santa Claus”.


4 posted on 11/11/2012 4:53:28 PM PST by Wisconsinlady ("When injustice becomes law, then resistance becomes duty." Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Jim Robinson

Agree and I Dream of a Country where Laws are enforced equally, the Border is secure,the Federal Govt. stays the heck out of my way, a non-Hyphenated America based on the Constitution.... (i could keep going and going)


5 posted on 11/11/2012 4:54:17 PM PST by machogirl (First they came for my tagline, it's back. 2008, the Decline of America)
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To: nascarnation

Knowing they will not be prosecuted literally millions will stream into the USA making our nation collapse under the economic strain. Obama, and his Marxist allies pushing Cloward-Piven to the max.


6 posted on 11/11/2012 4:55:45 PM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Jim Robinson

How about a counter proposal. The Dream Act only applies to military service only. As a long shot, how about an American version of the French Foreign Legion. After 7 years service, you can become a citizen upon discharge. The AFF could be used in all kinds of hot spots that American families would not want to send their own kids, just like the French use it. If you survive or don’t desert, you are given your citizenship.


7 posted on 11/11/2012 4:55:52 PM PST by gusty
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To: Jim Robinson

Sounds like we’ll making more bus trips to D.C.


8 posted on 11/11/2012 4:56:42 PM PST by bimboeruption (Clinging to my Bible and my HK.)
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To: Jim Robinson

I so agree


9 posted on 11/11/2012 4:56:46 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Jim Robinson

Time to Compromise? Not just no but... HELL NO!


10 posted on 11/11/2012 4:57:53 PM PST by DWar ("The ultimate destination of Political Correctness is totalitarianism.")
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To: Jim Robinson

“Elections have consequences”


11 posted on 11/11/2012 4:58:22 PM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Jim Robinson
The borders need to close, now. Anything done before that crucial step is pissing in the wind.

After that, deport (or execute as appropriate) all those that are in prison, or have a record of any kind. Those that remain should be prohibited from voting for 25 years, required to pay a heightened tax rate (liberals would support that, right?), required to learn English, and also given the option of leaving. I bet most of them would leave. Those that remain after completing all of the above would have the makings of good citizens, I suppose.

12 posted on 11/11/2012 5:00:19 PM PST by Wyrd biš ful aręd (Gone Galt, 11/07/12)
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To: Jim Robinson

YOU get the government YOU deserve...’nuff said.


13 posted on 11/11/2012 5:01:25 PM PST by SgtBob (Freedom is not for the faint of heart. Semper Fi!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Jim,
Decades of compromises and Grand Bargains from DC Hacks, past and present,
on both sides have brought this country to t,he brink.
He’ll no to Amnesy and Grand Bargains.


14 posted on 11/11/2012 5:03:28 PM PST by tennmountainman
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To: Jim Robinson

Mexico’s unemployment rate for October - 5.01%. Their highest employment rate for the year has een 5.8%.


15 posted on 11/11/2012 5:04:30 PM PST by TomGuy
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To: bimboeruption

I’m up for that!


16 posted on 11/11/2012 5:05:08 PM PST by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: TomGuy

That’s good news, especially if it’s not under reported b/s like our unemployment numbers.


17 posted on 11/11/2012 5:06:50 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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Click the pic.


18 posted on 11/11/2012 5:11:35 PM PST by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: TomGuy

Hmmmm... on second thought, is it that Mexico is exporting its unemployment problem to us?


19 posted on 11/11/2012 5:19:40 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jim Robinson; everyone

Boehner is already writing the recipe for a House disaster in 2014, by urging US Representatives to “go along to get along.”

The Rats have control of the US Senate, so the House has to stop this horrid nonsense.

Do NOT sit on your hands! Make your Representative fully aware that the “Dream Act” in a non-starter NIGHTMARE!


20 posted on 11/11/2012 5:20:37 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: RedMDer
PREFECT !©

21 posted on 11/11/2012 5:23:12 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: Jim Robinson
I agree. Earlier this week I wrote an article dealing, in part, with the problem. It said,
In April of last year, I wrote an article entitled Governments Rot when their Citizens let them.
Britain’s culture has become no less multiculturally devalued than that of the United States. Venezuela, Cuba, and many others never, at least in recent memory, enjoyed cultures conducive to freedom and democracy. Ditto many countries in Europe, Africa, the Middle East, and Asia, plus some of the countries they colonized. Mexico? Hardly a role model for the United States; I didn’t learn much about Mexican history or culture half a century ago in school, and I doubt that many young people in Mexico learn much today about the history or culture of the United States. Few are likely to develop cultural attitudes in contemporary Mexico compatible with life in the United States.
There are several failed states whose discouraged citizens are coming to the United States — some for freedom, some for jobs, some to mooch and some to make the United States increasingly resemble their countries of origin. However, due to proximity we seem to receive more from Mexico than elsewhere and I very much doubt that the majority of them, generally uneducated, with no skills to sell beyond stoop labor and unable to speak or even to understand English, have significant knowledge of our history or even what the phrases “Constitutional Government” and “Rule of Law, not Rule of Men” mean. Never having lived where such notions are respected and understood, it’s difficult to appreciate them until a long time after transplantation. It’s good that some of them are socially conservative, but more than that is needed: respect for the supremacy of our Constitution and our laws. That seems quite uncommon, particularly among “differently documented” aliens of all stripes. It takes more than a brief and unlawful stay for it to develop. Even a few years of lawful stay under properly enacted amnesty is probably inadequate. While an Hispanic outreach might enlarge Republican rolls, I fear that attracting them would require giving up on much that conservatives hold dear.

Even if otherwise a good idea, and I do not think it is, pandering to Hispanics to get their vote it quite unlikely to get their votes for a conservative party. As observed at Power Line,

If Republicans are losing elections because of the way Hispanics vote, the solution is not to create through legislation a significantly larger Hispanic vote. Suppose the last amnesty hadn’t occurred? Republicans wouldn’t be wringing their hands now about the difficulties of winning elections given the size of the Hispanic vote.

A second amnesty would, before long, end Republican chances of winning elections as a conservative party, and minimize the number of elections Republicans win at all.


22 posted on 11/11/2012 5:27:52 PM PST by DanMiller (Dan Miller)
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To: gusty
I agree, partially. Longer than 7 years though. How about 25 years? If you're too old to qualify for starting 25 years of military service, out you go.

In a perfect world, they would all be tossed out of the country, period. We owe them nothing.

The problem has been allowed to fester for far, far too long.

23 posted on 11/11/2012 5:28:45 PM PST by Wyrd biš ful aręd (Gone Galt, 11/07/12)
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To: onyx

Boehner needs to be put out to pasture. Not suitable for stud service. No gonads.


24 posted on 11/11/2012 5:31:08 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Terrorists have come across the border. If I could be sure it would happen, I would trade one Dream Act for truely sealed borders.

JimRob I love you but on this one the cause is lost. It was lost years ago when nobody did anything about the problem and millions poured in illegally.

Deporting 12 plus million people is just not going to happen. It is impossible for many reasons.


25 posted on 11/11/2012 5:36:04 PM PST by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Yep. He’s detrimental for our side.

A Tea Party patriot must challenge him for speaker.

Eric Cantor is just as bad. He and his wife are part of the Washington social circuit.


26 posted on 11/11/2012 5:36:25 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: Jim Robinson
It's been speculated that 70% of illegals granted immunity would subsequently become Democrats. They are looking to overload the system and create a permanent voting block. Much like Chicago, MA, NJ, and CA.

Just say no - Boehner must go.

27 posted on 11/11/2012 5:38:43 PM PST by GP100
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To: gunsequalfreedom

Just enforce the law. Secure the borders. No amnesty! No special treatment for people who are here illegally!


28 posted on 11/11/2012 5:40:46 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

They do need special treatment of a sort. That “special” treatment criminals get.


29 posted on 11/11/2012 5:54:52 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: Jim Robinson

BTTT!


30 posted on 11/11/2012 5:58:07 PM PST by jazusamo ("Intellect is not wisdom" -- Thomas Sowell)
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To: Jim Robinson

Completely agree.

I have friends telling me well, we’ve just got to play this game if we ever want another Republican president. I’m about ready to go ballistic.


31 posted on 11/11/2012 6:03:51 PM PST by CatherineofAragon (The idiocracy has come home to roost. God help us.)
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To: Jim Robinson

carefully calibrated NWO BUSH opportunism at work. They took the post-election panic, paid off Hannity & Pags (AM HOSTS) to start slutting for the Hispanic vote. After Americans took such a blow on fraud election & Islamocommie victory. This family needs to be exiled or in Houston made to LIVE AMONGST all their illegal alien pets in SW Houston instead of Tanglewood.


32 posted on 11/11/2012 6:16:25 PM PST by magna carta
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To: Jim Robinson

I agree with you, Jim. Once they are granted rights, the dems will dictate to us all. Conservatives have to pull together.. also we have to stop looking for perfection candidates. Everyone makes little mistakes..as long as they don’t lose core convictions, I can forgive. Right now, people are running scared due to the media making it look as though, the republicans are done. Not so. Conservatism in business when implemented works well every time. I would like to see the borders closed and the US to enforce the laws. It’s just a matter of time for a terror attack.


33 posted on 11/11/2012 6:28:15 PM PST by Christie at the beach (I like Newt.)
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To: Jim Robinson

I agree with you, Jim. Once they are granted rights, the dems will dictate to us all. Conservatives have to pull together.. also we have to stop looking for perfection candidates. Everyone makes little mistakes..as long as they don’t lose core convictions, I can forgive. Right now, people are running scared due to the media making it look as though, the republicans are done. Not so. Conservatism in business when implemented works well every time. I would like to see the borders closed and the US to enforce the laws.


34 posted on 11/11/2012 6:28:37 PM PST by Christie at the beach (I like Newt.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Hear ye hear ye!

People do not realize how much DREAM Act Illegal Alien Amnesy will cost them....it will be our tax dollars giving Illegal Aliens free and reduced college tuition and benefits

And we still have people claiming Marco Rubio is a “Conservative”. Marco Rubio is the biggest proponent of DREAM ACT Illegal Alien Amnesty in the Senate...he is no conservative.

Supporting politicians who push Illegal Alien Amnesty only makes it easier for them to push Illegal Alien Amnesty (and DREAM Act)


35 posted on 11/11/2012 6:29:58 PM PST by SeminoleCounty (Political maturity is realizing that the "R" next to someone's name does not mean "conservative")
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To: Christie at the beach

Sorry for the double post...


36 posted on 11/11/2012 6:30:10 PM PST by Christie at the beach (I like Newt.)
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To: Jim Robinson

The problem is, the voters said on Tuesday they want amnesty... along with abortion on demand, government-paid contraception, high taxes, homo “marriage,” obamaphones, EBT cards, high welfare, and - most of all - Obamacare.

How are we to deny the will of the people? They want socialism.

Elections have consequences. Big ones.


37 posted on 11/11/2012 6:33:40 PM PST by ScottinVA (I've never been more disgusted with American voters.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Jim, I predict the Pubbies will not only support it, but push it.. they are willing to sell their souls and this country to win control..


38 posted on 11/11/2012 6:37:42 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: Jim Robinson
Another FReeper posted this today...before Reagan passed amnesty, Hispanics voted Republican almost 40%. After amnesty passed, they began voting Repub 30%.

Boehner and the eRINO's need a history lesson, among other things.

39 posted on 11/11/2012 6:39:30 PM PST by Jane Long ("Miss me yet?" - Mitt)
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To: ScottinVA

Well, that’s why FR is here and why sites like this are needed now more than ever.

WE ARE THE RESISTANCE!!

Thanks!


40 posted on 11/11/2012 6:42:23 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: RnMomof7

Well, they aren’t going to win control with this strategy. They’ll be big losers.


41 posted on 11/11/2012 6:49:49 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Senator Graham is up for re-election in 2014. He needs to be ousted in a primary. Hopefully, Joe Wilson or Tim Scott could be persuaded.


42 posted on 11/11/2012 6:56:10 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Jim Robinson

What is your method/suggestion to accomplish this??


43 posted on 11/11/2012 6:58:21 PM PST by Marcella ("When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Just enforce current law!!!

Give employers 30 days grace to rid their establishments or homes of illegals and after that fine them say $10,000 for a first offense and 5 years in prison for a second one.

In 60 days every illegal will go home!!!


44 posted on 11/11/2012 6:59:00 PM PST by dalereed
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To: Marcella

RESIST! We successfully resisted when they tried it under Bush, we can resist it now. Congress controls immigration. We hold the congress. Make them hold the line!


45 posted on 11/11/2012 7:12:09 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Vigilanteman

Amen.


46 posted on 11/11/2012 7:14:09 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jim Robinson; Liz; AuntB; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; ...
RE :”And they'll vote largely for the democrats. Republicans will never win another election. It's a democrat dream come true”

A year ago or so Sen Grahmanesty made that comment on Sunday talk about changing the US constitution to end birthright citizenship and he was being completely disingenuous about it just to just kill the idea. That can be changed by an act of congress, but he wanted to kill that idea by suggesting an amendment (only once).
His whole purpose was to stir opposition up to it by making believe he was for it in one comment.
And it worked, Dems repeated it over and over attributing it to ‘Republicans’ not Grahamnesty, He is a sleazy character working for Dems.

What else Grahamnesty wont say is that if O signs a amnesty bill then Republicans wont gain one vote from it,
Hispanics for amnesty will credit him for it.

47 posted on 11/11/2012 7:43:42 PM PST by sickoflibs (How long before cry-Bohner caves to O again? They took the House for what?)
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To: Jim Robinson

Got it! Absolutely!

And thanks for all you do for the cause of freedom, JR!!


48 posted on 11/12/2012 1:18:05 AM PST by ScottinVA (I've never been more disgusted with American voters.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Boehner belongs in the RINO retiree wing at Gelding Gulch.


49 posted on 11/12/2012 1:25:03 AM PST by ScottinVA (I've never been more disgusted with American voters.)
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To: All

HYPHENATE PRICE TAG——the price we are paying so that vote-crazed Obama and other desperate pols can get re/elected.

NOTE Oftentimes the conniving pols bury these programs within other programs making them difficult to find. Americans have been hammered with govt propaganda that it was the Iraq war and the war on terror that is bankrupting the US. Here’s the real reasons:

1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year by state governments.
Verify at: http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=iic_immigrationissuecenters7fd8

2. $22 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.Verify at: http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.HTML

3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens. Verify at: http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.HTML

4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary & secondary education for children here illegally and [usually] cannot speak a word of English. Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANscriptS/0604/01/ldt....0.HTML

5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies (or as Terry Anderson says “JACKPOT” babies!)Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANscriptS/0604/01/ldt.01.HTML

6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens. Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/%20TRANscriptS/0604/01/ldt.01.HTML

7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens. Verify at: http://transcripts.CNN..com/TRANscriptS/0604/01/ldt...01.HTML

8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare & socialservices by the American taxpayers. Verify at: http://premium.cnn..com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01..HTML

9. $200 Billion dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens. Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRI

13. In 2006, illegals sent $45 BILLION in remittances to their countries of origin.

Verify at: http://www/..rense.com/general75/niht.htm

14. The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One million sex crimes committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States. Verify at: http: // www.drdsk.com/articleshtml

The total cost is a whopping $ 338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR WHICH WOULD BE ENOUGH TO STIMULATE THE ECONOMY FOR THE CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTRY. Are we THAT Stupid?WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!!!!!!

PLUS!

1. The Earned Income Credit...money people get back on their taxes that they NEVER paid into in the first place! Illegal aliens, most of which pay zero in net taxes, enjoyed $4.2 billion from the Additional Child Tax Credit (ACTC) last year. That’s more than the annual revenue from the selected oil tax deductions and corporate jet deductions combined!Verify: http://www.redstate.com/dhorowitz3/2011/09/02/illegal-aliens-receive-4-2-billion-in-additional-child-tax-credits/

2. The cost of prosecuting and making SURE the “rights” of illegals are protected by US laws madefor US citizens. In 2009, the U.S. Justice Dept filed nearly 92,000 pro-immigrant-related criminal cases in the federal courts. The record-breaker accounted for more than half of all new federal prosecutions, according to data maintained at Syracuse University. Verify at:

http://towncriernews.blogspot.com/search?q=federal+court+cases


50 posted on 11/12/2012 2:56:10 AM PST by Liz ("Come quickly, I'm tasting the stars," Dom Perignon)
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