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Mark Steyn: The Edge of the Abyss
National Review Online ^ | NOVEMBER 9, 2012 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 11/09/2012 6:46:15 PM PST by neverdem

The default setting of American society is ever more liberal and statist.

Amid the ruin and rubble of the grey morning after, it may seem in poor taste to do anything so vulgar as plug the new and stunningly topical paperback edition of my book, After America — or, as Dennis Miller retitled it on the radio the other day, Wednesday. But the business of America is business, as Calvin Coolidge said long ago in an alternative universe, and I certainly could use a little. So I’m going to be vulgar and plug away. The central question of Wednesday — I mean, After America — is whether the Brokest Nation in History is capable of meaningful course correction. On Tuesday, the American people answered that question. The rest of the world will make its dispositions accordingly.

In the weeks ahead, Democrats and Republicans will reach a triumphant “bipartisan” deal to avert the fiscal cliff through some artful bookkeeping mechanism that postpones Taxmageddon for another year, or six months, or three, when they can reach yet another triumphant deal to postpone it yet again. Harry Reid has already announced that he wants to raise the debt ceiling — or, more accurately, lower the debt abyss — by $2.4 trillion before the end of the year, and no doubt we can look forward to a spectacular “bipartisan” agreement on that, too. It took the government of the United States two centuries to rack up its first trillion dollars in debt. Now Washington piles on another trillion every nine months. Forward!...

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1 posted on 11/09/2012 6:46:19 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

2 posted on 11/09/2012 6:47:32 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: JLS

Ping


3 posted on 11/09/2012 6:48:25 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem

FORWARD!!!!!!!! \s


4 posted on 11/09/2012 6:52:49 PM PST by Twinkie (Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.)
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To: neverdem

Full consumer boycott this Christmas. Do something press-worthy right wingers. Punish the retailers that contribute to this. If you can’t control your spending why do you think the govt. should control theirs?

Cripple the IRS or USPS with extra paperwork. Both are easy targets.


5 posted on 11/09/2012 6:58:04 PM PST by wrencher
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To: neverdem
January 1, 2023, all private business shuts down, government scrambles to continue handouts to the sick, lame, lazy, blind cripple and crazy! Suddenly, Americans wake up to the fact, it is private business that creates wealth in America,, not the government and immediately begins the slow process of bringing sanity back to their government!

Shut down 01/01/2013 all gas stations, coal companies, power stations, restaurants, grocery stores, 7-11’s, liquor stores, tobacco companies, oil companies, stop all drilling, manufactoring companies, car companies, except for “government motors” it is no longer privately owned! It will take the government about six (6) seconds to send a mouth piece to the business owner asking what they want in return to get back to work for the government, this is when the American business owner tells Obamay to bend slightly at the knees about 30 degrees and kiss his ass goodbye!!!

End of communism in America over night!

6 posted on 11/09/2012 7:01:24 PM PST by paratrooper82 (We have been deserted by this WH and left to fend for ourselves in Afghanistan! Both hands tied!)
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To: Travis McGee

Just like the rats planned.

This is sickening.


7 posted on 11/09/2012 7:01:43 PM PST by Aria ( 2008 wasn't an election - it was a coup d'etat.)
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To: neverdem
Mark's last line...

"Alas, on Tuesday, the electorate opted to defer it for another four years. I doubt they’ll get that long."

The bottom has already dropped out, we don't have that long.

My bet, this guy gets shot in the head, and miraculously recovers and speaks in a different voice. All hell breaks loose within a few weeks.

8 posted on 11/09/2012 7:01:59 PM PST by Ron C.
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To: wrencher

Please read Post #6

Stay safe my fellow American!


9 posted on 11/09/2012 7:02:50 PM PST by paratrooper82 (We have been deserted by this WH and left to fend for ourselves in Afghanistan! Both hands tied!)
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To: neverdem

Well said, Mr. Steyn.


10 posted on 11/09/2012 7:08:56 PM PST by Ciexyz
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To: wrencher

“Full consumer boycott this Christmas. Do something press-worthy right wingers. Punish the retailers that contribute to this.”

YES. We were planning to buy a new car. Now After America we will keep the old one for four years. Seriously.

We are cutting down on eating out. We will not do a major home remodel project.

My wife and I live two miles form work. We are walking now to save gas.

Already have our Hawaii vacation paid for, but it will be the last one for a few years.

The money saved will help us weather the next four year storm.


11 posted on 11/09/2012 7:25:21 PM PST by garjog (Heroes Died. Obama Lied.)
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To: neverdem

that, outside the voting booth, the default setting of American society is ever more liberal and statist
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Republicans have coasted on the fact the GOP voters are more conscientious voters than liberal voters. The Obama campaign has upended that model. They were right, measuring support among adults and RVs was a better predictor than LVs of the election outcome. If they can increase overall turnout, the GOP is more or less a permanent minority party.


12 posted on 11/09/2012 7:29:03 PM PST by garbanzo (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine)
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To: paratrooper82

If every business shut down the government would step in and take over and there’d be a line a mile long of people willing to work for them.


13 posted on 11/09/2012 7:31:02 PM PST by Terry Mross (Once again I wasted my vote. But I have learned my lesson.)
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To: neverdem

For crying out loud! The leaders of the Democrat party are grifters....con men......thieves. They get by OK now because our USAttorney General and lots of his staff are Democrat grifters. Ideally, the FBI would be investigating these thieves, but it ain’t gonna happen with Holder around. So, who does that leave? The House Republicans. Yeah, I know. To steal from Churchill

“Never have so many been so dependent on so few with so little hope they’ll do anything.”

Well, every once in awhile somebody steps up and actually fights. Maybe we’ll get lucky.
If not, well, all is not lost. We’re just dealing with grifters....con men.....thieves. Shut the bank vault, and they go away.

The Democrat voters, at least enough of them to guarantee us victory into the foreseeable future,are not grifters. They are scared and uninformed.
That’s why I have been writing all day.....

“Know your enemy and know yourself, and in one hundred battles, you will not be defeated.”

We still have most Republicans who can’t even figure out that the Democrat leaders are grifters. Why in the world would Harry Reid want to be a Senator for Mozambique? He’s no socialist. He’s just an ordinary, two bit grifter.


14 posted on 11/09/2012 7:32:09 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Terry Mross

I would love to see federal troops taking over private business in this Country, they don’t have the man power to turn on the lights in NY!


15 posted on 11/09/2012 7:34:07 PM PST by paratrooper82 (We have been deserted by this WH and left to fend for ourselves in Afghanistan! Both hands tied!)
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To: neverdem

“Tuesday’s results demonstrate that, as a whole, the American electorate is trending very Euro-Canadian. True, you still have butch T-shirts — “Don’t Tread On Me,” “These Colors Don’t Run” . . . In my own state, where the Democrats ran the board on election night, the “Live Free or Die” license plates look very nice when you see them all lined up in the parking lot of the Social Security office. “

Oh, how I love Mark Steyn!


16 posted on 11/09/2012 7:36:13 PM PST by MarDav
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To: neverdem

Reality check people: America is Toast.

“If you add up the total debt — state, local, the works — every man, woman, and child in this country owes 200 grand (which is rather more than the average Greek does).”

“In the course of his first term, Obama increased the federal debt by just shy of $6 trillion and in return grew the economy by $905 billion. So, as Lance Roberts at Street Talk Live pointed out, in order to generate every dollar of economic growth the United States had to borrow about five dollars and 60 cents. There’s no one out there on the planet — whether it’s “the rich” or the Chinese — who can afford to carry on bankrolling that rate of return.”


17 posted on 11/09/2012 7:44:44 PM PST by garjog (Heroes Died. Obama Lied.)
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To: Terry Mross

Bet there’d be many on that line who haven’t the skills to do the work with any competency. Imagine the paper pushers at the Department of (fill-in-the-blank) trying to run an oil refinery.


18 posted on 11/09/2012 7:52:42 PM PST by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: Terry Mross

Addendum: Unless, of course, the people on that line are from the Far East.


19 posted on 11/09/2012 7:54:06 PM PST by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: garbanzo
...the GOP is more or less a permanent minority party.
I believe that's where they're the most comfortable.
20 posted on 11/09/2012 8:11:51 PM PST by Bratch
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To: paratrooper82

Wrong.

In six seconds Obama would execute and executive order fining and imprisoning every business owner who kept his business shut for more than an hour.....as they would be “terrorists” threatening national security....

And the HDA and TSA would be his enforcers with all the ammo they have......

Nice try......


21 posted on 11/09/2012 8:13:43 PM PST by Arlis (.)
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To: neverdem
"...wants to raise the debt ceiling — or, more accurately, lower the debt abyss — by $2.4 trillion before the end of the year, and no doubt we can look forward to a spectacular “bipartisan” agreement on that, too."

Yes, "bipartisan," although it's not a welcome truth in political/regulator circles. Many of those of us who've worked more in the private sector see what's going on in more realistic ways and have been working harder at doing well despite likely conditions ahead.

Many who've received their incomes mostly from government or government-linked services and are only beginning to lose, see things more surrealistically. Many of them tell us that the end is near while presenting maniacal, movie-like, false prophecies with themselves described/implied as heroes of dis-topia (probably plagiarized from movies). The following is for the people of the tantrum (bipartisan socialists).

Skeeter Davis - The End Of The World
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFdfpLAzSxg

We need to abolish/repeal regulations against new, small manufacturing starts beginning at local levels of government. A wealthy nation has a large manufacturing base with healthy levels of competition--a complete private sector.


22 posted on 11/09/2012 8:14:26 PM PST by familyop
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To: paratrooper82

Ha, ha, true. As P.J. O’Rourke said, even if the government had a camera in every room, at least half of them wouldn’t be working.


23 posted on 11/09/2012 8:29:40 PM PST by Pining_4_TX ( The state is the great fiction by which everybody seeks to live at the expense of everybody else. ~)
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To: paratrooper82

Nice dream, but the mouthpiece will not be sent — just some govt. gunmen and a new manager supplied by the new owner, the US govt.


24 posted on 11/09/2012 8:52:40 PM PST by expat2
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To: Terry Mross

If every business shut down the government would step in and take over and there’d be a line a mile long of people willing to work for them.

YUP


25 posted on 11/09/2012 9:31:28 PM PST by 1st Division guy
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To: blueunicorn6
We still have most Republicans who can’t even figure out that the Democrat leaders are grifters.

Grifters? Seriously? Are you that naive?

The RATS are hard core control freaks. Obama, Axelrod, Jarret are hard-core Marxist.

These grifters as you call them are not our for money, they are out to destroy the United States.

Please don't insult grifters :)

26 posted on 11/09/2012 9:36:41 PM PST by sand88
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To: neverdem

bfl for a great tomorrow read!!!!!


27 posted on 11/09/2012 9:56:08 PM PST by Noob1999 (Loose Lips, Sink Ships)
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To: neverdem

Bump.....


28 posted on 11/09/2012 10:00:07 PM PST by Intolerant in NJ
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To: paratrooper82
Shut down 01/01/2013 all gas stations, coal companies, power stations [...]

All large companies are public. This means that they are not toys of their CEO. They simply cannot be shut down because that would be against their corporate charter. The CEO would be kicked out and replaced within minutes.

Most of other companies - that are privately owned - employ living, breathing people. You, as the sole owner, may have the power to close the company. But do you have the moral right to leave your employees - who agreed to work for your company - without income? They all would need to join you in that strike. My bet is that hardly more than one or two out of ten can afford it. Most working stiffs don't have much money in the bank, but they all have bills to pay and kids to feed.

Finally, if you are the sole owner and the only employee, your business is tiny. You may be a consultant, for example, or a writer, or a musician, or a handyman. If you close your business it will not be noticed - not by Obama, not by the county, and not by your neighbors even. Your démarche would be a complete waste.

Furthermore, even if by some miracle enough businesses close, remaining businesses will double and triple the sales - and the prices. You know who will be blamed for that? You. Not Obama; it will be personally you, the owner of the business that you closed in an act of political protest. Obama would then sprinkle some salt on your wounds, as he loves to do, by saying that those irresponsible rich men decided to become the enemy of the people. Do I need to continue this train of thought?

Some posters also said that this opens the door for nationalization of "essential" businesses and industries. Well, that may be the case as well.

29 posted on 11/09/2012 10:09:19 PM PST by Greysard
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To: neverdem
In the course of his first term, Obama increased the federal debt by just shy of $6 trillion and in return grew the economy by $905 billion. So, as Lance Roberts at Street Talk Live pointed out, in order to generate every dollar of economic growth the United States had to borrow about five dollars and 60 cents. There’s no one out there on the planet — whether it’s “the rich” or the Chinese — who can afford to carry on bankrolling that rate of return. According to one CBO analysis, U.S.-government spending is sustainable as long as the rest of the world is prepared to sink 19 percent of its GDP into U.S. Treasury debt. We already know the answer to that: In order to avoid the public humiliation of a failed bond auction, the U.S. Treasury sells 70 percent of the debt it issues to the Federal Reserve — which is to say the left hand of the U.S. government is borrowing money from the right hand of the U.S. government. It’s government as a Nigerian e-mail scam, with Ben Bernanke playing the role of the dictator’s widow with $4 trillion under her bed that she’s willing to wire to Timmy Geithner as soon as he sends her his bank-account details.

How much longer does anyone suppose that his can continue?

30 posted on 11/09/2012 10:27:27 PM PST by fhayek
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To: neverdem
...my book, After America — or, as Dennis Miller retitled it on the radio the other day, Wednesday.

-----------------------------------------

LOL!!!

Thank you Mark Steyn. We need you now more than ever.

31 posted on 11/09/2012 10:38:45 PM PST by stillonaroll
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To: Noob1999
Sure you want to read it? It's sobering:

"If you add up the total debt — state, local, the works — every man, woman, and child in this country owes 200 grand..."

32 posted on 11/09/2012 11:05:14 PM PST by stillonaroll
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To: garjog
Already have our Hawaii vacation paid for, but it will be the last one for a few years.

What in the G** d*** h*** do you f****** want to go to f****** Hawaii for? OK, it's warm. So what?

33 posted on 11/09/2012 11:53:59 PM PST by dr_lew
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To: wardaddy; Joe Brower; Cannoneer No. 4; Criminal Number 18F; Dan from Michigan; Eaker; Jeff Head; ...
The Case of the Missing White Voters The corporate raider had too little appeal to working class whites, IMHO.

Mark Levin Gives "Unvarnished Truth" On Romney Loss About a 20 minute audio

Class-action lawsuit looming against city in gun-owner web snafu

The Death of Principle: Let’s Hear No More from the Anti-War Left

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34 posted on 11/10/2012 12:46:44 AM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: wardaddy; Joe Brower; Cannoneer No. 4; Criminal Number 18F; Dan from Michigan; Eaker; Jeff Head; ...
The Case of the Missing White Voters The corporate raider had too little appeal to working class whites, IMHO.

Mark Levin Gives "Unvarnished Truth" On Romney Loss About a 20 minute audio

Class-action lawsuit looming against city in gun-owner web snafu

The Death of Principle: Let’s Hear No More from the Anti-War Left

Some noteworthy articles about politics, foreign or military affairs, IMHO, FReepmail me if you want on or off my list.

35 posted on 11/10/2012 12:47:10 AM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: wardaddy; Joe Brower; Cannoneer No. 4; Criminal Number 18F; Dan from Michigan; Eaker; Jeff Head; ...
The Case of the Missing White Voters The corporate raider had too little appeal to working class whites, IMHO.

Mark Levin Gives "Unvarnished Truth" On Romney Loss About a 20 minute audio

Class-action lawsuit looming against city in gun-owner web snafu

The Death of Principle: Let’s Hear No More from the Anti-War Left

Some noteworthy articles about politics, foreign or military affairs, IMHO, FReepmail me if you want on or off my list.

36 posted on 11/10/2012 12:48:11 AM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: Ron C.
"My bet, this guy gets shot in the head, and miraculously recovers and speaks in a different voice. All hell breaks loose within a few weeks."

That's funny! I read the 'Left Behind' series, or a bunch of it. Paging Nicholas Carpathian, please pick up the white courtesy phone. LOL. Good one.

37 posted on 11/10/2012 2:12:07 AM PST by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: paratrooper82

I know conservative (Christian) business owners and THEY will be getting my business.

Sadly, there is some stuff that we simply cannot do without, like food and gas.

However, non- essentials are going to be STRICTLY off limits.


38 posted on 11/10/2012 2:15:39 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Ron C.
My bet, this guy gets shot in the head, and miraculously recovers and speaks in a different voice. All hell breaks loose within a few weeks.

And you aren't the only one who thinks that by any means. I know people who think that and have told me so.

39 posted on 11/10/2012 2:18:07 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: paratrooper82
It is called “Going Galt”, great idea, unfortunately it will not happen. Face it folks we have reached the tipping point and there is no going back. The demographics and cultural shift has changed America, and certainly not for the better. We can rant and rave all that we want, but the simple truth is they won, we lost. The country that we loved will be a quaint memory.
40 posted on 11/10/2012 3:13:37 AM PST by Shane (When Injustice Becomes Law, RESISTANCE Becomes DUTY.----T.Jefferson)
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To: Terry Mross

Those living comfortably on gov checks will not work period. Most are as my father-in-law said too lazy to work in a pie factory eating 2 and boxing 1. They will merely sit with mouths agape when checks stop. Ask one where the money for those checks comes from. They have no idea!


41 posted on 11/10/2012 5:33:23 AM PST by nclaurel
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To: TheOldLady; Rummyfan; Howlin; riley1992; Miss Marple; Dane; sinkspur; steve; kattracks; ...

Mark Steyn ping.

Freepmail me, i f you want on or off the Mark Steyn ping list.

Thanks for the ping neverdem.


42 posted on 11/10/2012 6:23:45 AM PST by JLS
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To: TheOldLady; Rummyfan; Howlin; riley1992; Miss Marple; Dane; sinkspur; steve; kattracks; ...

Mark Steyn ping.

Freepmail me, i f you want on or off the Mark Steyn ping list.

Thanks for the ping neverdem.


43 posted on 11/10/2012 6:24:12 AM PST by JLS
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To: TheOldLady; Rummyfan; Howlin; riley1992; Miss Marple; Dane; sinkspur; steve; kattracks; ...

Mark Steyn ping.

Freepmail me, i f you want on or off the Mark Steyn ping list.

Thanks for the ping neverdem.


44 posted on 11/10/2012 6:25:10 AM PST by JLS
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To: Arlis

“And the HDA and TSA would be his enforcers with all the ammo they have......”

Tell us poor dopes here how much military training these Rambos have and about all the battles they’ve won.


45 posted on 11/10/2012 7:39:55 AM PST by sergeantdave (The FBI has declared war on the Marine Corps)
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To: neverdem

[ For the moment, tend to your state, and county, town and school district, and demonstrate the virtues of responsible self-government at the local level ]

Totally, totally agree with this!


46 posted on 11/10/2012 8:03:32 AM PST by KansasGirl ("If you have a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen."--B. Hussein Obama)
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To: sand88

You have obviously never been around Marxists. I had to read Marx. The Democrat leaders would like you to worry that they might be Marxists. A grifter gets you to look somewhere else while he’s picking your pocket. They’re getting you to think about socialism while they’re just picking your pocket.


47 posted on 11/10/2012 8:25:00 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: neverdem
Harry Reid has already announced that he wants to raise the debt ceiling — or, more accurately, lower the debt abyss

Steyn's almost infallible sense of the right word failed him here. The accurate description is "deepen the debt abyss."

48 posted on 11/10/2012 9:10:41 AM PST by AndyJackson
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To: Travis McGee

Check out Ann’s latest breakdown:

http://www.barnhardt.biz/

Love the tie!


49 posted on 11/10/2012 11:22:08 AM PST by bayouranger (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: blueunicorn6
I had to read Marx. .... They’re getting you to think about socialism while they’re just picking your pocket.

I read and stuided the CM. I know the left well. One has to be a fool to believe the followers are Marx want the "ideal state." Marx, Obama, Stalin, most of the RAT party are control freaks. They want to use the power of the State for absolute control. The old school has such power they could easily fill the evil blood lust and kill millions.

One of the benefits of such control is lots of "easy money." You could call Stalin a grifter of sorts -- he has nice Dachas in Abkhazia, Gagra and other places in the Caucuses.

I have no doubt there are many on the left who fantasize about having the same power as Stalin. The evil in their hearts is no less than the evil in Stalin's, Mao or Pol Pot.

Obama, Ayers, Soros, most on the left seek power not just for easy money. They are out to transform our Republic into a Socialist H*ll. Their end game is dictatorship.

50 posted on 11/10/2012 11:29:02 AM PST by sand88
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