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The shape of things to come (John Derbyshire on the future of the GOP)
John Derbyshire ^ | November 9, 2012 | John Derbyshire

Posted on 11/09/2012 10:02:38 AM PST by Zhang Fei

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As usual, John Derbyshire (formerly of National Review before he was booted for politically-incorrect observations) provides an incisive analysis of where we stand and an intriguing look at where we might be going. An excerpt:

When you look at the overall picture, however, we are still fighting the Civil War. That is to say, the contest was mainly between two huge groups of white people who don't much like each other, with the colored folk playing a marginal role. That's how it was in the War Between the States, and that's how it still is today.

In the state of Mississippi, for example, 89 percent of whites voted for Romney; in the state of Alabama, it was 84 percent. In the state of Maine, on the other hand, only 40 percent of whites voted for Romney; in Vermont, only 33 percent.

Barack Obama wasn't re-elected by blacks, Hispanics, or Asians, though they helped at the margins; he was re-elected by Yankees.


1 posted on 11/09/2012 10:02:44 AM PST by Zhang Fei
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To: Zhang Fei

What do ya know, another article intended to divide.

Naturally all of us filthy yankees all ran out to vote for Obama. /s


2 posted on 11/09/2012 10:09:31 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Zhang Fei

I made a point like that in a recent post. I admit race can be a factor but it is not the only one. You have plenty of stupid moochers who are White too. I always admired the South, they are the closest to a warrior culture that we have. There is plenty of blame to go around.


3 posted on 11/09/2012 10:09:31 AM PST by Nowhere Man (Whitey, I miss you so much. Take care, pretty girl. (4-15-2001 - 10-12-2012))
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To: Zhang Fei
Very interesting and cogent article!

Regards,

4 posted on 11/09/2012 10:09:38 AM PST by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: Zhang Fei
Does the Republican Party have a future?

Not as far as I am concerned. For the past two election cycles, they have shoved a moderate in our face and, for the last two election cycles, we have gone down in flames!

It's time that we switch to the Tea Party and start getting conservative candidates to represent us. The GOP-E has breathed its last. They are too willing to bend to the will of the leftists and DO NOT represent the majority of conservative Americans.

Don't contribute to them and don't support them in any way, shape or form.

5 posted on 11/09/2012 10:10:00 AM PST by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for white collar criminals!!)
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To: cripplecreek

I know you and I as almost all of us here did not, but we have plenty of Yankees that did. Race, Yankee-ism and so on are factors, but the biggest one is people voting for Santa Claus.


6 posted on 11/09/2012 10:11:42 AM PST by Nowhere Man (Whitey, I miss you so much. Take care, pretty girl. (4-15-2001 - 10-12-2012))
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To: Nowhere Man
You have plenty of stupid moochers who are White too. I always admired the South, they are the closest to a warrior culture that we have.

Derbyshire's not talking about moochers. He's talking about a cultural divide. Deliverance wasn't just a movie - it was the encapsulation of every horrific fantasy citified Yankees have had about the South.

7 posted on 11/09/2012 10:15:05 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Zhang Fei

You mean I can claim minority benefits, file affirmative action lawsuits, and EOA lawsuits now? Sweet!

Only the reality that most of the offices that dispense the benefits are minorities that have no sympathy for the white race and do their best to deny them benefits. I’ve seen this with my own eyes numerous times. They’ll take our white money for some reason though...


8 posted on 11/09/2012 10:15:41 AM PST by jsanders2001
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To: cripplecreek
What do ya know, another article intended to divide. Naturally all of us filthy yankees all ran out to vote for Obama. /s

The article is long-ish, but worth the read. It's not about dastardly Yankees sinking the GOP.

9 posted on 11/09/2012 10:17:18 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Nowhere Man

I just think we need to stop the divisive crap and get back to work or the democrats will bowl us over like we weren’t even here.

Right now we need to join together and apply the whip to the speaker of the house.


10 posted on 11/09/2012 10:17:58 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Nowhere Man

Sex will take care of the racial divides. What we have to do is to somehow convince people that our current path is actually making their life worse. Not an easy chore, but we have to do it. Otherwise it all crashes anyway.


11 posted on 11/09/2012 10:19:05 AM PST by arkfreepdom
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To: jsanders2001
You mean I can claim minority benefits, file affirmative action lawsuits, and EOA lawsuits now? Sweet! Only the reality that most of the offices that dispense the benefits are minorities that have no sympathy for the white race and do their best to deny them benefits. I’ve seen this with my own eyes numerous times. They’ll take our white money for some reason though...

Derbyshire's point is that as whites shrink as a % of the total population, the GOP will become the white party much as the Democratic party is the black party - there may come a day when the GOP gets 90% of the white vote.

12 posted on 11/09/2012 10:22:51 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: DustyMoment

A. West, Akin, Mourdock, the guy who ran against Grayson—they were all Tea Party backed and they went up in smoke. Michelle Bachmann barely survived. Immigration and ever-looser cultural values have led to a point where there are more hardcore Dems than hardcore Repubs. We can still win, but it’s getting harder and harder with less room for errors/misfortune on the part of our candidates.


13 posted on 11/09/2012 10:24:15 AM PST by Callahan
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To: cripplecreek
"Right now we need to join together and apply the whip to the speaker of the house."

You are either being sarcastic or delusional. Speaker Boehner needs to be whipped when they elect the next speaker. He is a wimp and we need a ruthless speaker with guts and principles.

14 posted on 11/09/2012 10:25:01 AM PST by mosaicwolf (Strength and Honor)
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To: DustyMoment

I do agree that the GOP-E is at its weakest. It now has very little credibility now after 2 presidential elections where the GOP-E told the conservatives to shut up, sit dwn and follow the establishment.

It’s time for the conservatives to take over the party. Throw out Karl Rove, Steve Schmit and replace Mitch McConnell and John Boenher as Congressional leaders. Because if we don’t act now, the establishment will push someone like Jeb Bush, Mike Huckebee or Chris Christie as the 2016 nominee......and we all know what will happen.

I’m sick and tired of being shouted down by the Establishment and then blamed for failure when we did it their way.


15 posted on 11/09/2012 10:25:53 AM PST by TMA62 (Al Sharpton - The North Korea of race relations)
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To: Zhang Fei
The GOP is dead! Stick a fork in them. Blame it on the establishment GOP who derided the Tea Party who put them back in power in 2010. The GOP bent over backwards to kiss the ass on anyone “minority” but simply ignored its own support base, e.g. Tea Party, Ron Paul supporters, Real Conservatives!

The GOP died when the Establishment “Bill Crystal, Karl Rove, and company” forced out any real conservatives during the primary. electing instead to support another RINO Romney who campaigned on: “Repeal Obamaycare and replace it!” Does not encourage conservatives to crawl through glass to vote for him.

Time for a true conservative third party that stands for bona fide free market enterprise, constitutional government, balanced budget, and secure our borders! Watch how fast their candidate gets elected after the disaster of Obamay administration!

16 posted on 11/09/2012 10:28:45 AM PST by paratrooper82 (We have been deserted by this WH and left to fend for ourselves in Afghanistan! Both hands tied!)
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To: mosaicwolf

Either way, as long as you aren’t giving up. Personally I think Jim DeMint would be a fine speaker.

He ain’t perfect but I think he could get the machinery moving.


17 posted on 11/09/2012 10:32:58 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Callahan

Akin was not the tea party candidate.

“Missouri, a bastion of the tea-party movement, has been shifting right in recent elections. The Tea Party Express and 2008 GOP vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin endorsed former state Treasurer Sarah Steelman in the GOP primary. Self-financing businessman John Brunner had the backing of FreedomWorks, a national tea party umbrella group.”

The tea party has been a stunning success, leading us to historical gains in 2010 for example, the gope has been fighting them tooth and nail, and as their disaster called Mitt Romney shows, the establishment doesn’t understand politics.


18 posted on 11/09/2012 10:41:21 AM PST by ansel12 (Todd Akin was not the tea party candidate, Sarah Steelman was, Brunner had tea party support also.)
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To: Callahan
We can still win, but it’s getting harder and harder with less room for errors/misfortune on the part of our candidates.

A little Cultural Competency (I hate that term) would not hurt either.

Nor would simply having an outreach effort that absorbed all the immigrant small business owners in the country.

Just sayin ... their interests and ours are aligned. It also helps that in other cultures, the Jefe is looked up to.

Also, dump the idiots before they get on National TV please.

19 posted on 11/09/2012 10:45:53 AM PST by superloser
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To: ansel12
Akin was not the tea party candidate.

Thanks for clarifying this earlier.

20 posted on 11/09/2012 10:46:55 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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