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ELECTRONIC VOTING, REPORTING, AND POSSIBILITY FOR FRAUD
Black Box Voting ^ | July 20, 2012 | Bev Harris

Posted on 11/08/2012 4:18:38 AM PST by God-fear-republican

A press release today about the planned expansion of Unisyn into more USA locations renews attention on foreign ownership of corporations selling voting systems into the United States.

Unisyn is owned by a Malaysian gambling outfit. ...Military voting is now handled in several states by Barcelona, Spain-owned Scytl. In January 2012, Scytl acquired the largest election results reporting firm, SOE Software.

Accenture, now based in Dublin Ireland (formerly headquartered in tax-haven Bermuda), claims copyright over the massive electronic voter registration/voter history databases used in several states, including Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Colorado, Wisconsin and Arkansas. Accenture purchased its voter registration unit from Election.com, a Saudi-owned company based in the Cayman Islands.

Because a computer will only do what it's programmers and administrators tell it to do, whoever issues the commands gains ultimate control over how it receives, counts, and reports votes, voter registrations, and voter histories.

SPAIN-OWNED INTERNET VOTING COMPANY -- SCYTL -- AND RESULTS REPORTING FIRM -- SOE SOFTWARE

In January 2012, Black Box Voting reported that Barcelona-owned Internet voting firm Scytl had purchased another company, which handles a different part of USA elections: SOE Software.

After information goes from voting machines into the county central tabulator, it travels to Tampa, Florida into the SOE system, and is posted on sites like ClarityElections.com (the host domain owned by SOE) or at Web sites which appear with county names, but actually come from Tampa's SOE.

IS THERE A PROBLEM WITH FOREIGN OWNERSHIP OF USA ELECTION SOFTWARE?

Not if you don't mind some unknown guys working offshore controlling whatever they choose to in the software processing votes and voters.

(Excerpt) Read more at bbvforums.org ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: election; votingmachine

1 posted on 11/08/2012 4:18:43 AM PST by God-fear-republican
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To: God-fear-republican

All the votes need to be counted by hand. I just don’t trust these results. Obama will probably have a court order seal them just like he did everything else.


2 posted on 11/08/2012 4:20:55 AM PST by tsowellfan
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To: tsowellfan

We all know that this election was stolen.


3 posted on 11/08/2012 4:23:47 AM PST by acapesket
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To: tsowellfan

Why we bother to vote because our voting results will be “massaged” by foreigners who have connection with Saudi and Malaysia gambling! Banana Republic we have become!

Gore/Bush Florida fiasco was set up to usher in touch-screen voting machines.


4 posted on 11/08/2012 4:26:05 AM PST by God-fear-republican
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To: God-fear-republican

I know there was some type of vote fraud in Ohio, not by result, but by turnout numbers reported. All eyes on the ground Tuesday said it was the biggest turnout ever seen, especially in suburban areas. In the cities, not so much.

Wednesday morning? Oh, as it happens, voter turnout was not even as high as the last national election in 2008. Something smells bad to me.


5 posted on 11/08/2012 4:27:32 AM PST by Clarence
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To: sneakers

Oh BIGGTIME bump!


6 posted on 11/08/2012 4:27:41 AM PST by sneakers (Go Sheriff Joe!)
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To: God-fear-republican

The voting software SHOULDN’T be very difficult to audit - and security measures could be put in place such that prevent tampering.

Of note, I’m not aware of any stories of big bags of “misplaced” ballots (trunks of cars, in unsecured storage closets, etc) that have suddenly appeared - and magically containing enough votes to place a Democratic candidate ahead.


7 posted on 11/08/2012 4:32:16 AM PST by Hodar (A man can fail many times, but he isn't a failure until he begins to blame somebody else.- Burroughs)
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To: God-fear-republican

without a vote receipt and the ability to verify your vote was recorded, you have no idea what, if anything, was added to the vote total


8 posted on 11/08/2012 4:33:46 AM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: God-fear-republican

This is most likely why Intrade never veered from an Obama win.


9 posted on 11/08/2012 4:34:01 AM PST by dforest
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To: Clarence

Exit polls at red states were not conducted as they would show Republican voters were extremely motivated; therefore, the total tally of votes for Romney did not make sense. For what I could observe at polling place and following various polls prior to the election, our number this year should not be 56 millions they reported but should be much higher than 60 millions McCain got in 2008.

It is the will of God, Obama has to reign over us as we have sinned. He will usher in wars, poverty, pestilence, vices, and despair. We should all kneel down and beg God for mercy and forgiveness. Don’t rely on your brute strength and intelligence to fight back, just look back at the old Israelites of Old Testament, we will never win.


10 posted on 11/08/2012 4:34:32 AM PST by God-fear-republican
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To: God-fear-republican

Early voting has thrown the doors wide open to fraud.

It sure seems strange to me that one of my former unionista neighbors who lives in Florida chose election day for a single day trip to Michigan where he owns the house his brother lives in.


11 posted on 11/08/2012 4:36:27 AM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: acapesket
We all know that this election was stolen.

I'm not so sure. Consider, we have an effective unemployment rate approaching 40%. These unemployed have a vested interest in continual Welfare, Food Stamp, Housing assistance, medical and other government programs. We have a large percentage of students who feel that unlike their parents, they are entitled to a free education, as well as free food, housing, birth control and spending money while they pursue their education. We have illegal aliens who are given the right to vote, and are voting in their self-interests.

And, mysteriously, we have a segment of the employed "Producers" who feel that the money they earn SHOULD be taken away and given to these people.

I believe that Sean Hannity, Rush and other Conservatives have finally caught up to what I've been saying for years. When you get enough non-producers dependent upon Gov't, and allow them to vote; they will inevitably vote to enslave the producers - which is exactly what we have now.

12 posted on 11/08/2012 4:38:27 AM PST by Hodar (A man can fail many times, but he isn't a failure until he begins to blame somebody else.- Burroughs)
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To: God-fear-republican

Bev Harris? The scam artist who took many thousands from the DUmmies after 2000. This is considered a reliable source? Please, this site is better than that.


13 posted on 11/08/2012 4:40:29 AM PST by sharkhawk (Mr Gorbachev, tear down this wall.)
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To: sharkhawk

FROM DRUDGE REPORT:

http://www.drudgereport.com/flash1.htm

FOREIGN COMPANY BUYS U.S. ELECTION RESULTS REPORTING FIRM
By Bev Harris
http://www.blackboxvoting.org

In a major step towards global centralization of election processes, the world’s dominant Internet voting company has purchased the USA’s dominant election results reporting company.

When you view your local or state election results on the Internet, on portals which often appear to be owned by the county elections division, in over 525 US jurisdictions you are actually redirected to a private corporate site controlled by SOE software, which operates under the name ClarityElections.com.

The good news is that this firm promptly reports precinct-level detail in downloadable spreadsheet format. As reported by BlackBoxVoting.org in 2008, the bad news is that this centralizes one middleman access point for over 525 jurisdictions in AL, AZ, CA, CO, DC, FL, KY, MI, KS, IL, IN, NC, NM, MN, NY, SC, TX, UT, WA. And growing.

As local election results funnel through SOE’s servers (typically before they reach the public elsewhere), those who run the computer servers for SOE essentially get “first look” at results and the ability to immediately and privately examine vote details throughout the USA.

In 2004, many Americans were justifiably concerned when, days before the presidential election, Ohio Secretary of State Ken Blackwell redirected Ohio election night results through the Tennessee-based server for several national Republican Party operations.

This is worse: This redirects results reporting to a centralized privately held server which is not just for Ohio, but national; not just USA-based, but global.

A mitigation against fraud by SOE insiders has been the separation of voting machine systems from the SOE results reports. Because most US jurisdictions require posting evidence of results from each voting machine at the precinct, public citizens can organize to examine these results to compare with SOE results. Black Box Voting spearheaded a national citizen action to videotape / photograph these poll tapes in 2008.

With the merger of SOE and SCYTL, that won’t work (if SCYTL’s voting system is used). When there are two truly independent sources of information, the public can perform its own “audit” by matching one number against the other.

These two independent sources, however, will now be merged into one single source: an Internet voting system controlled by SCYTL, with a results reporting system also controlled by SCYTL.

With SCYTL internet voting, there will be no ballots. No physical evidence. No chain of custody. No way for the public to authenticate who actually cast the votes, chain of custody, or the count.

SCYTL is moving into or already running elections in: the United Kingdom, France, Canada, Norway, Switzerland, United Arab Emirates, South Africa, India and Australia.

SCYTL is based in Barcelona; its funding comes from international venture capital funds including Nauta Capital, Balderton Capital and Spinnaker.

Here is the link to the press release regarding SYCTL’s acquisition of SOE:

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/scytl-acquires-soe-software-becoming-the-leadin g-election-software-provider-2012-01-11


14 posted on 11/08/2012 4:44:37 AM PST by God-fear-republican
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To: Hodar

I think there was plenty of fraud but that doesn’t mean a stolen election. That just means that there’s plenty of institutionalized fraud.


15 posted on 11/08/2012 4:44:59 AM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: sten

A good paper trail is using black markers on paper ballots then scanned. That’s how we do it.


16 posted on 11/08/2012 4:48:45 AM PST by Java4Jay (The evils of government are directly proportional to the tolerance of the people.)
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To: Hodar

I know for sure that in my district, the election was stolen. I don’t disagree with your opinion, but take my word for it, this election was stolen.


17 posted on 11/08/2012 4:50:53 AM PST by acapesket
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To: God-fear-republican

The dems knew all among that they had this election because they knew they could steal it! That’s why Biden laughed, Jarrett threatened and Obama said “revenge”.


18 posted on 11/08/2012 4:53:19 AM PST by albie
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To: God-fear-republican; Admin Moderator

I thought Black Box Voting and Bev Harris material was banned from this site.

Are you attempting to imitate DU??


19 posted on 11/08/2012 4:54:35 AM PST by traderrob6
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To: God-fear-republican

As of yesterday, 11/7/12, I include myself as a member of a group of people henceforth known as the “Counters”.

(sample)

We demand that it be proven beyond reasonable doubt that votes cast for all candidates and state proposals were legitimate and in accordance with all US and state laws.

In addition, all 2012 general election and voting apparatae, forms, processes, etc. be proven certified retroactive to commencement of any and all early, absentee and military voting.

Feel free to add, delete, edit.


20 posted on 11/08/2012 5:02:55 AM PST by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: acapesket

Most of the elections, if not all, were rigged. I wouldn’t allow Obama to take his second term until this fraud is settled. Then try him for treason.


21 posted on 11/08/2012 5:03:07 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: God-fear-republican

You are so right. God have mercy on us.


22 posted on 11/08/2012 5:05:42 AM PST by pollywog ("O Thou who changest not, abide with me.".......)
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To: God-fear-republican

this..and this alone..is the most important dimension to our “continuing” Freedom on the planet


23 posted on 11/08/2012 5:06:35 AM PST by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: freekitty

It’s nice to have dreams...


24 posted on 11/08/2012 5:10:34 AM PST by ToxicMich ((If you are reading this, you are wasting your time. There is nothing here...))
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To: acapesket

I am very suspicious of the Florida results with the shennanigans that went on there and if that is what it came to, I would agree; however, the final result was outside the margin of fraud.


25 posted on 11/08/2012 5:17:50 AM PST by wolfman23601
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To: Hodar
"Of note, I’m not aware of any stories of big bags of “misplaced” ballots (trunks of cars, in unsecured storage closets, etc) that have suddenly appeared - and magically containing enough votes to place a Democratic candidate ahead."

In most precincts there are not hand generated ballots as there once were. Electronic “ballots” are impossible to audit. There is no audit trail for most votes cast in the US. Absentee ballots are counted in most states by SEIU employees, who have shown great resistance to poll watchers who have been approved by attorney's general to observe absentee counts. The transport of counts is different from state-to-state, and largely irrelevant since vote counts from precincts are not verifiable.

Why do you think the largely secular, and very liberal US Citizens currently voting from Israel voted 89% for Romney and the more observant Jews in US precincts voted 69% for Obama. The votes from Israel are counted as absentee ballots, but not in the districts in New York or Cleveland controlled by the SEIU. One could surmise that this government might want to be able to blame US Jews for what may be about to become of Israel at the hands of Obama's Saudi patron's Jihad troops, the Muslim Brotherhood. There may be some who know how US Jews actually vote, but I can assure you that I now lots of them, liberal Jews, and they fear Obama's clear hatred for Israel. The meaning of polls, and sadly, of apparent votes, has no verifiable connection to how they voted. The mechansism don't allow it.

Without paper ballots and local counts, before the ballots are sent to secure storage, there is no way to audit vote counts. With secret ballots there must be a human count at the front end. With computers doing the counting there is no “checkpoint.&rdquo, no baseline from the source, the local precinct; There is no count associated with the actual voter, before data have been transferred to employees of government unions who have a fiduciary interest in what numbers are reported. Israel, Spain, Mexico, and a number of Eastern European countries use paper ballots because they, along with immediate local counts before the ballots are removed, remains the only auditable mechanism for tabulating secret ballots.

Precinct workers used to be more than ushers. They were trusted neighbors, selected from the respective political parties, who would count the ballots after the polls closed. Their count was the legal reported number. After counting the ballots in plain view they deposited the ballots in secure boxes for guarded transport to vaults. Today the opposite is the case. The mechanisms are opaque. How many know that only the SEIU is allowed to count absentee ballots in most states?

“Big bags” represent a half hearted measure to satisfy the complaints of some constituents who know that our voting system is a charade. Some precincts are using paper ballots today, but they are read by machines with results processed, if they are at all, in secret. Without the paper ballots, which have no association with voters to preserve secrecy, being counted by hand at the precinct in which they are filled out, there is no way to verify from where they came, or that all those filled out were counted. Our voting system is a palliative for those who would like to believe our choices are respected. Both parties have known that voting was largely a ceremony for the naive for several decades. Neither party has taken up the issue for reasons one can easily imagine. We must begin by informing the public, because, like anything associated with computers, most don't understand why computers cannot be used to count votes. The proliferation of spying, spamware and viruses, along with identity theft should give a hint that the cheap and vulnerable embedded computers used in voting systems are anything but secure. We need transparency in our voting systems, but those who are changing our government have built the opposite.

If Allen West can gain access to the ballots cast in his district before they have been accessed by Democrat SEIU operatives, he may find different results than were reported. Unfortunately, the processes are largely controlled by government unions so the ballots he wants hand counted have probably already been “corrected”.

Without paper ballots and local counts before the ballots disappear into union offices, we are now Venezuela, and perhaps shortly, Cuba, except that we may soon be observing Sharia law, where voting has no meaning. Don't believe the claims that computer voting, using the Internet as we do for banking, cannot be spoofed. Once the vote disappears into the system there is no way to affirm how it is counted. Thus far, and I've read many engineering reports and thesis on the topic, there is no more secure assurance than paper ballots and local precinct counting. It will take a few hours to count a thousand ballots, but verifiable votes may allow us to return to a Constitutional Republic, an institution our current government despises.

26 posted on 11/08/2012 5:38:26 AM PST by Spaulding
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To: Hodar
"Of note, I’m not aware of any stories of big bags of “misplaced” ballots (trunks of cars, in unsecured storage closets, etc) that have suddenly appeared - and magically containing enough votes to place a Democratic candidate ahead."

In most precincts there are not hand generated ballots as there once were. Electronic “ballots” are impossible to audit. There is no audit trail for most votes cast in the US. Absentee ballots are counted in most states by SEIU employees, who have shown great resistance to poll watchers who have been approved by attorney's general to observe absentee counts. The transport of counts is different from state-to-state, and largely irrelevant since vote counts from precincts are not verifiable.

Why do you think the largely secular, and very liberal US Citizens currently voting from Israel voted 89% for Romney and the more observant Jews in US precincts voted 69% for Obama. The votes from Israel are counted as absentee ballots, but not in the districts in New York or Cleveland controlled by the SEIU. One could surmise that this government might want to be able to blame US Jews for what may be about to become of Israel at the hands of Obama's Saudi patron's Jihad troops, the Muslim Brotherhood. There may be some who know how US Jews actually vote, but I can assure you that I now lots of them, liberal Jews, and they fear Obama's clear hatred for Israel. The meaning of polls, and sadly, of apparent votes, has no verifiable connection to how they voted. The mechansism don't allow it.

Without paper ballots and local counts, before the ballots are sent to secure storage, there is no way to audit vote counts. With secret ballots there must be a human count at the front end. With computers doing the counting there is no “checkpoint.&rdquo, no baseline from the source, the local precinct; There is no count associated with the actual voter, before data have been transferred to employees of government unions who have a fiduciary interest in what numbers are reported. Israel, Spain, Mexico, and a number of Eastern European countries use paper ballots because they, along with immediate local counts before the ballots are removed, remains the only auditable mechanism for tabulating secret ballots.

Precinct workers used to be more than ushers. They were trusted neighbors, selected from the respective political parties, who would count the ballots after the polls closed. Their count was the legal reported number. After counting the ballots in plain view they deposited the ballots in secure boxes for guarded transport to vaults. Today the opposite is the case. The mechanisms are opaque. How many know that only the SEIU is allowed to count absentee ballots in most states?

“Big bags” represent a half hearted measure to satisfy the complaints of some constituents who know that our voting system is a charade. Some precincts are using paper ballots today, but they are read by machines with results processed, if they are at all, in secret. Without the paper ballots, which have no association with voters to preserve secrecy, being counted by hand at the precinct in which they are filled out, there is no way to verify from where they came, or that all those filled out were counted. Our voting system is a palliative for those who would like to believe our choices are respected. Both parties have known that voting was largely a ceremony for the naive for several decades. Neither party has taken up the issue for reasons one can easily imagine. We must begin by informing the public, because, like anything associated with computers, most don't understand why computers cannot be used to count votes. The proliferation of spying, spamware and viruses, along with identity theft should give a hint that the cheap and vulnerable embedded computers used in voting systems are anything but secure. We need transparency in our voting systems, but those who are changing our government have built the opposite.

If Allen West can gain access to the ballots cast in his district before they have been accessed by Democrat SEIU operatives, he may find different results than were reported. Unfortunately, the processes are largely controlled by government unions so the ballots he wants hand counted have probably already been “corrected”.

Without paper ballots and local counts before the ballots disappear into union offices, we are now Venezuela, and perhaps shortly, Cuba, except that we may soon be observing Sharia law, where voting has no meaning. Don't believe the claims that computer voting, using the Internet as we do for banking, cannot be spoofed. Once the vote disappears into the system there is no way to affirm how it is counted. Thus far, and I've read many engineering reports and thesis on the topic, there is no more secure assurance than paper ballots and local precinct counting. It will take a few hours to count a thousand ballots, but verifiable votes may allow us to return to a Constitutional Republic, an institution our current government despises.

27 posted on 11/08/2012 5:38:27 AM PST by Spaulding
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To: pollywog

Gospel of Luke 10:18, the Lord Jesus gave us a clue on the name of the anti-Christ when He said, “ And he said to them: I saw Satan like lightening falling from heaven.” And lightning is Hebrew is barak; heaven or high places is bamah in Hebrew. Barak Bama or Barack Obama. He will reign for 3.5 years, to 2016 AD.

We are dealing withe the principality allowed by Deity. REPENT AND PRAY FOR THE DIVINE MERCY!


28 posted on 11/08/2012 5:57:21 AM PST by God-fear-republican
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To: ToxicMich

It would be nicer to have a spine to put them into effect.


29 posted on 11/08/2012 6:01:48 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: God-fear-republican; acapesket
Election fraud is exactly what happened. What we have to do is prove it.

Consider the Senate races.

How coincidental that with the exception of Ensign in Nevada (not really a battleground state) all (R) senators in Battlegrounds (VA, FL, OH, WI) went down even as they did in states carried handily by Romney (IN, MO, ND, MT)? In fact we almost knew the Senate seat loss before we knew the Presidential outcome.

What about those touch screen shennanigans reported as switches from Romney to Obama?

Each of the battlegrounds VA, FL, OH, WI) are solid (R) -- both chambers and the Gov. Most went that way in 2010. (R)'s won down ticket House races.

What I want to know from tech savvy types is this: how does someone hack a voting machine, how does one detect it?

Can some well placed kid hanging around on a cell phone communicating to an embedded chip in the machine watch voters and time his "click" with that of the voter -- regardless how he intended to vote? Is this possible?

In these highly (R) states, will an investigation be launched by their SOSs and Atty Generals to determine what happened?

FReegards!


30 posted on 11/08/2012 6:01:57 AM PST by Agamemnon (Darwinism is the glue that holds liberalism together)
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To: sten
We had the choice between an electronic box or paper ballot. I chose paper. After voting, you stick it is a scanner. Scanner pops up a message that says your vote was recorded.

You have absolutely no way to know what way the vote was recorded. The scanner keeps the ballot, to do get a tear off receipt. Whoopee.....

31 posted on 11/08/2012 11:11:40 AM PST by doorgunner69
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