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Did “Ron Paul's Revolution” Stay Home Last Night? (where are 3 million missing McCain voters?)
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Posted on 11/07/2012 4:56:42 PM PST by drewh

haven’t seen anyone ask this yet, so I will: did the Ron Paul Revolution stay home last night?

Mitt Romney won 3 million votes less than McCain while Obama lost 10 million votes of his own from 2008.

Where did those 3 million McCain voters go?

The main part of why I believed Romney would win this time because I knew the 10 million Obama supporters would sit home…but never in my worst nightmares did I imagine McCain voters would sit home. I counted on them to show up and bring friends this time to boot Obama out.

The only thing I can think of is this:

* Ron Paul supporters sat the election out because Dr. Paul because the conflict regarding the convention and the other delegate issues

* Evangelicals went through with their threat to sit home because Romney is a member of the LDS Church

And these two groups thought allowing Obama to have a second term was worth sitting home.

Is that what happened?

I never thought that was a realistic possibility because I can’t imagine ever allowing the Left to not just maintain power but actually expand their reach…but that’s what happened last night.

Have you seen anyone crunching numbers to explain this today?

The Mainsream Media Ministry of Truth will say “oh, it was all about Hispanics!” but that is a red herring. That doesn’t explain dropping three million votes below McCain and a total of five million votes from Bush in 2004.

Ron Paul supporters seem to explain that first drop from Bush’s 2004 numbers, sitting out to the tune of 2 million when McCain ran in 2008…and then sitting out even more this time; perhaps it’s a combination of Ron Paul people and Evangelicals who sat home “to teach everyone a lesson”.

That’s an expensive lesson if this is right.


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1 posted on 11/07/2012 4:56:47 PM PST by drewh
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To: drewh

I read a tweet today that I can’t find at the moment that only 32% of registered Republicans turned out to vote.


2 posted on 11/07/2012 4:58:47 PM PST by IamConservative (The soul of my lifes journey is Liberty!)
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To: drewh

Yes. Romney lost in Florida and Ohio by about the same number as that of libertarian candidate voters.

I think Evangelicals did get out and vote GOP, judging by what I saw in my area. But the libertarians did not, and I have seen FB posts from them bragging about how they “taught the GOP a lesson.”

Self-centered, arrogant...well, I won’t go on.


3 posted on 11/07/2012 4:59:51 PM PST by livius
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To: IamConservative

> I read a tweet today that I can’t find at the moment that
> only 32% of registered Republicans turned out to vote.

Maybe it’s just me, but I’m not convinced that their votes were not “lost”.

I don’t know any republicans that didn’t go out to vote, and enthusiasm among the 0bamanoids was low to middlin’ at best.

Yet we lost big.

Something ain’t right.


4 posted on 11/07/2012 5:03:21 PM PST by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: drewh

Probably making the GOP pay for their mistake. So what if we have Obama for another 4 yrs.

Pray for America


5 posted on 11/07/2012 5:03:28 PM PST by bray (Nov 6, tell Obama to Stand Down!)
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To: livius

There is some solace, for those of us who are neither republican nor libertarian; We’re all gonna go down the sh*tter together!


6 posted on 11/07/2012 5:05:31 PM PST by old school
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To: drewh

Those three million and probably a few million more were Palin voters.


7 posted on 11/07/2012 5:06:25 PM PST by gusopol3
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To: Westbrook

My take as well. And I also know Blue Dogs who crossed over and voted for Romney.


8 posted on 11/07/2012 5:07:43 PM PST by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
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To: drewh

Ron Paul. A stale lingering fart from the arse of stupidity!


9 posted on 11/07/2012 5:08:52 PM PST by Doc Savage ("I've shot people I like a lot more,...for a lot less!" Raylan Givins)
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To: livius
>> I think Evangelicals did get out and vote GOP, judging by what I saw in my area. But the libertarians did not, and I have seen FB posts from them bragging about how they “taught the GOP a lesson.” <<

Ditto. Also judging by the turnout I saw at the two different polling places I worked (one for early voting and one for the regular election), I think turnout was down among both white conservatives and white liberals, compared to 2008. This was the quietest of the last four Presidential elections (2000, 2004, 2008, and 2012) I've seen. There weren't even any union thugs or annoying Dem poll watchers to hang around waiting for the results tape. But black and Hispanics both turned out in big numbers like in 2008, and the vast majority of them voted for Obama.

10 posted on 11/07/2012 5:10:29 PM PST by BillyBoy ( Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: drewh
Maybe the GOP-E could run a conservative next time. That might get them a few more votes.

/johnny

11 posted on 11/07/2012 5:10:43 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: drewh

The GOP primaries burned the house down, for sure. The Rinos won and so they lost their voters. This is especially true for the Paulites. They felt Romney cheated them out of some elections with party power manuvers. Plus, he’s a progressive.


12 posted on 11/07/2012 5:11:15 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: Westbrook

I do find it odd that even Cook, Dave Wasserman reported that a narrowing of the Ohio early vote numbers should be expected. This, along with report after report after report of massive turnout in Ohio`s Republican districts. Something doesn`t make sense here.


13 posted on 11/07/2012 5:11:30 PM PST by ScottinVA (I've never been more disgusted with American voters.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I think OBAMA vote was down 10 million..where did they go..they all stayed home???


14 posted on 11/07/2012 5:12:39 PM PST by Hojczyk
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To: livius

Those Ron Paul and Gary Johnson fans rejoicing at a Romney loss make me sick; especially when it comes at the expense of our country under a second Obama term. Disgusting. This is exactly why they will never win the loyalties of a majority of conservatives or win the presidency; petty politics. Ron Paul would have gotten taken to the woodshed by Obama…plain and simple. You can’t be meek and subdued and simply spit out counterpoints when facing such a brazen propagandist (you’ll get ripped to shreds); not to mention I’d never support an anti-Semite who passively blames America for 9/11. In this era of big government where they succeeded in making Mitt look like a radical, what do you think they would have done to Ron Paul? Romney was not my first choice, no, but he was the best choice available because he had the professionalism, charisma, intellect and experience to stand-up to Obama. He incessantly called out Obama on his litany of lies and his atrocious record, debated him brilliantly despite the shameless moderators, yet voters simply refused to believe their messiah was a fraud.

The reason Romney lost was because, one…fewer Republicans turned out than in 2008 (which is disgraceful considering what has transpired during the past four years)…two, the media went into overdrive to hide Obama’s failures and scandals while demonizing Romney…and three, we once again got crushed by the minority vote. There is a huge difference between Obama and Romney and if you refuse to see it you are hopelessly lost. If you are a Ron Paul or Gary Johnson supporter, voted for either yesterday, and find any satisfaction or so-called benefit in Obama winning, congratulations. I find no humor or joy in watching America being systematically dismantled and our children’s future tarnished. Even worse, this election may have been our last opportunity to save our fabled republic. What these hypocrites don’t understand is that I would have voted for Ron Paul if he won the nomination – not because I agree with his views – but because there is no greater threat to America than Barack Hussein Obama.


15 posted on 11/07/2012 5:14:45 PM PST by xuberalles ("The Right Stuff" Conservative Novelties http://www.zazzle.com/xuberalles)
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To: livius
Seems to me like the candidate needs to earn the votes he needs. Blaming voters because they didn't vote for Romney is backwards.

/johnny

16 posted on 11/07/2012 5:14:57 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: drewh

It’s also possible that in four years many conservatives have passed away. As older conservative people pass away, they are not being replaced by the younger people.

The indoctrination in liberalism has worked - the school system, the media, Hollywood, lack of faith in God,and in general, political correctness is the ideology people have grown in for the past 30 years.

I am amazed there are any conservatives at all. Conservatism does not appeal to the people who want their goodies and do not want to follow higher standards, especially Biblical standards. The “me” generation has greatly expanded, and those are the people who vote for liberals, no matter the cost.


17 posted on 11/07/2012 5:15:35 PM PST by JudyinCanada
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To: drewh

Palin was a drag on the ticket and that is the real reason Romney lost./sarc


18 posted on 11/07/2012 5:18:08 PM PST by rabidralph
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To: IamConservative
I read a tweet today that I can’t find at the moment that only 32% of registered Republicans turned out to vote.

NO WAY. Maybe that's all that were counted, but don't believe that's all that turned out to vote. Turn of phrase, "all that turned out to vote", not all that voted period. Were all the early and absentee ballots counted, or were they pitched?

19 posted on 11/07/2012 5:18:12 PM PST by madison10
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To: drewh

I think the LDS ended up being a bigger obstacle for Romney than people were willing to admit.

I voted for Romney, but I admit I struggled with it a little bit.


20 posted on 11/07/2012 5:18:56 PM PST by Truthsearcher
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To: drewh

“Where did those 3 million McCain voters go?”

THEY DIED...
Demographics, and the Liberal TV messaging have killed us.


21 posted on 11/07/2012 5:22:53 PM PST by tcrlaf (Election 2012: THE RAPTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS)
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To: Truthsearcher

Unfortunately I think you’re right. I personally know several people that couldn’t pull the trigger for him because of his religion.


22 posted on 11/07/2012 5:24:27 PM PST by tatown (Obama was right, it was a 'one term proposition')
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To: drewh
Yes, many of them did stay home, but Conservatives across the spectrum stayed home in many cases because they refuse to legitimize a broken, corrupt, and unconstitutional system that's rampant with fraud. A lot of people didn't want Romney, but that didn't mean they want Obama, or that they will accept him. They are still out there and ready to do what they can to bring revolutionary sized change that's needed to save our nation.

I would really like for Conservatives across the spectrum to make a truce and stop the infighting for now, and instead of viciously attacking each other in ways that have built a lot of resentment on all sides, and has blinded many to the huge issues we alone agree on. I understand how big the issues we disagree on are, but I also understand how enormous the issues we agree on are as well. If we can't work together on the issues that we alone agree upon, then those other issues aren't going to mean much when we cease to exist.

23 posted on 11/07/2012 5:24:30 PM PST by ThermoNuclearWarrior (We must start working outside the broken, corrupt, and unconstitutional system to save this nation.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Shhhhhhhh... too much logic..


24 posted on 11/07/2012 5:25:11 PM PST by delchiante
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To: gusopol3

Looking at the National numbers ignores THE FACT the we lost this election due to TWO COUNTIES...

Two counties, Cuyahoga, and Dade...
Thats it.


25 posted on 11/07/2012 5:25:39 PM PST by tcrlaf (Election 2012: THE RAPTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS)
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To: drewh
And these two groups thought allowing Obama to have a second term was worth sitting home.

First, I did not sit home. I voted for...Romney. But, perhaps 0bama having a second term is indeed worth it. Won't be easy and now it is before us...but it is time to ask enough of the right questions and we have a good start to gaining the right answers.

0bama should have been defeated in a freakin' landslide. He wasn't...why?

Was it because our candidate was soooo bad or was it because the democrat message was soooo much better?

You may want to blame those that stayed home, but if it should have been a landslide...the stay at home vote nor the protest vote should have mattered. So...what did matter?

This failure rests with two groups. The GOPe and the GOP loyalists. The candidate sucked and ...the message from the groundgame sucked.

26 posted on 11/07/2012 5:26:27 PM PST by EBH (0bama is guilty of willful neglect of duty.)
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To: drewh

They were enjoying their new freedom to smoke pot in CO while fantasizing about the end of the Fed.


27 posted on 11/07/2012 5:26:42 PM PST by ari-freedom (Election Day should be after Thanksgiving, not right after Halloween)
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To: Westbrook

Not lose - just run through the shredder.


28 posted on 11/07/2012 5:27:14 PM PST by Let's Roll (Save the world's best healthcare - REPEAL, DEFUND Obamacare!)
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To: Westbrook

Not lost - just run through the shredder.


29 posted on 11/07/2012 5:27:43 PM PST by Let's Roll (Save the world's best healthcare - REPEAL, DEFUND Obamacare!)
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To: JRandomFreeper

“Maybe the GOP-E could run a conservative next time. That might get them a few more votes. “

Then the RINO’s would stay home because they didn’t get 100% of everything that what they wanted.


30 posted on 11/07/2012 5:28:45 PM PST by ari-freedom (Election Day should be after Thanksgiving, not right after Halloween)
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To: drewh

Most Ron Paul cultists never had any intentional of voting for Romney. These are not real Republicans. If they stayed home they did us a favor as most probably would have voted for Obama.


31 posted on 11/07/2012 5:30:23 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: delchiante

I guess Rep West wasn’t conservative enough.


32 posted on 11/07/2012 5:32:08 PM PST by ari-freedom (Election Day should be after Thanksgiving, not right after Halloween)
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To: JudyinCanada
You are clear headed, logical and correct. You won't find much comfort here though. The vast majority of Freepers appear to blame an esoteric mix of voter fraud and low turnout due to Romney not being conservative enough.

The problem is, they blamed voter fraud for Obama's win in 08 and Obama didn't do better than 08. So the only answer is low turnout.

Unfortunately, no one knows anyone who didn't vote against Obama. If some conservatives didn't want to vote for Romney wouldn't they have shown up and written in Sarah Palin and then voted for their republican senate and congressional choices? How many conservatives do you know who don't vote?

Poblems don't get fixed in denial.

33 posted on 11/07/2012 5:32:12 PM PST by douginthearmy
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To: drewh

The Paulanistas, the Romney’s an abortionist crowd, the Romney’s a liberal crowd and the Romneys a Mormon crowd.


34 posted on 11/07/2012 5:34:03 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: drewh

No, Evangelicals stayed home. Right from the exit polls, which were actually accurate this year.


35 posted on 11/07/2012 5:34:12 PM PST by wolfman23601
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To: drewh
Intentionally driving away a large group of otherwise like minded voters is never a good way to win. There are plenty of areas of agreement between the libertarian oriented voters and conservative Republicans. Less so between libertarian oriented voters and big government, "moderate" guys like Mitt Romney. Smart candidates should realize that winning those liberty oriented voters - or even half of them in some districts - wins the election.

As far as turnout, Republicans of all types voted in record numbers in our area of New Hampshire.

Democrats very successfully used social issues like abortion, and a supposed preference for "the rich" to launch endless misleading attack ads against Republicans. With the media covering for them they were able to get away with it. A lot of less involved voters and young people fell for it.

36 posted on 11/07/2012 5:35:58 PM PST by freeandfreezing
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To: xuberalles
Those Ron Paul and Gary Johnson fans rejoicing at a Romney loss make me sick;

The one Johnson-moron on my news feed was a an idiot libertarian who I witnessed pulling for McCain in the primaries in 2008. Then took it upon himself how the GOP continues nominating fools like this. Needless to say I let him have it; reminded him of his support for McCain; he proceeded to lie and tell me he was pro-Paul the entire time.

Of course I had to remind him I was the one who told him about Ron Paul, he didn't know who he was at the time. And even after he was introduced he proceeded to support McCain.

What a jerk.

37 posted on 11/07/2012 5:36:16 PM PST by CommieCutter
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To: ari-freedom
Nah... the RINOs go along to get along. It's just those pesky conservatives that stick to their principles.

/johnny

38 posted on 11/07/2012 5:37:01 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: IamConservative

That can’t be true or there would be over 175 million Republicans.


39 posted on 11/07/2012 5:37:50 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Why is the government more concerned about protecting a microbe on Mars than an unborn baby here?)
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To: drewh

You have it exactly right. Based on the numbers, what other explanation could there be? While some of us turned out to vote for Romney, other voters - even here on FR - are saying that they didn’t vote for Romney. Also, I know of other Republicans (in the real world, not on the internet) who refused to vote for him.


40 posted on 11/07/2012 5:39:00 PM PST by Tired of Taxes
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To: tcrlaf

Add Loudon and Prince William in VA to that list... but even if we squeaked out wins in Va, Fl, and Oh, we still needed NH, IA, or CO.


41 posted on 11/07/2012 5:39:59 PM PST by wolfman23601
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To: Longbow1969
Most Ron Paul cultists never had any intentional of voting for Romney. These are not real Republicans. If they stayed home they did us a favor as most probably would have voted for Obama.

From the voting data I have seen in NH your hypothesis is incorrect. They came out to vote, and often voted split ticket between Libertarian and Republican candidates. But their votes were swamped by Democratic votes from college towns and an army of people dependent on government who the Obama campaign found, misled into believing that the Republicans would harm their interests if elected, and then brought to the polls to vote.

42 posted on 11/07/2012 5:41:01 PM PST by freeandfreezing
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To: IamConservative

What you read was that 32% of the electorate was republican. 38% was democrat.

We don’t yet know what percentage of the nation’s republicans turned out to vote.


43 posted on 11/07/2012 5:42:23 PM PST by Jake8898
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To: drewh

my my area of northern michigan we had according to the ladies running the polls a larger turnout than they had ever seen before....and they weren’t voting for obama


44 posted on 11/07/2012 5:42:38 PM PST by annelizly
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To: Blood of Tyrants
That can’t be true or there would be over 175 million Republicans.

I'm not sure it is a true stat. It was in a tweet I can't find anymore, however, of Romney's ~58M votes, we can't assume they are all Republicans..??..

45 posted on 11/07/2012 5:42:59 PM PST by IamConservative (The soul of my lifes journey is Liberty!)
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To: livius
Perhaps if we had worked with them more. Respected them more. And given them a seat at the table they would not have stayed home or voted for someone else and Mitt would likely be President Elect. Yes many of the Paul supporters are immature but they are passionate and full of energy. And they are young. And the younger generation is a group we need to connect with. And I am well aware of Ron Paul's foreign policy problems but there is still much we have in common. We conservatives rightly object to the way we are treated by the pubbies elite. The Paul supporters rightly object to the way they are treated by both the pubbies elite and conservatives. Overall we have far more in common with Paul supporters than not. While I will not compromise my principles I am not afraid to listen to other points of view. And evaluate and reconsider my positions in light of lessons learned from such discussions. I want everyone in my tent. Provided we work together for the betterment of America and the preservation of freedom.
46 posted on 11/07/2012 5:46:54 PM PST by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: freeandfreezing
From the voting data I have seen in NH your hypothesis is incorrect.

Very possible. I was just thinking out loud. I just know a lot of paulbots from 08' and this time around and none of them would ever consider voting for the GOP nominee. Go read their forums and it is all about sabotaging the GOP. They were just trying to take over the Republican party because they know they can't win as a 3rd party. These people aren't real Republicans.

47 posted on 11/07/2012 5:46:54 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: IamConservative

We had 85%.


48 posted on 11/07/2012 5:48:17 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: IamConservative
We are looking at an 8 year period encompassing 3 presidential race and trying to find missing voters.

One thing you can count on with the GOP-e is they will invariably leave it to the county committees to come up with new voters.

That means that from the last 'W" election to the one yesterday NOBODY running the party bothered to push voter registration drives!

The Democrats direct that drive from the top down! Ask Axelrod how he does it.

So, who stayed home? Could be the 2 million Republican voters who died or became disabled between 2004 and 2008, and the 3 million Republican voters who died or became disabled between 2008 and 2012.

Remember, you don't get people to vote Republican by appealing to undecided moderates in the middle (As I think Mitt described his targets)

You get people who will vote Republican by getting them to register, and then getting them to vote.

All of this should have been dealt with earlier ~ back in the George H W Bush years ~ when it would have counted.

49 posted on 11/07/2012 5:48:45 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: tcrlaf

I thought we lost Hamilton (Cincinnati) county by 5 points.


50 posted on 11/07/2012 5:50:08 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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