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It Was Because Of Bush Sort Of

Posted on 11/07/2012 12:54:09 PM PST by Andrei Bulba

Not the economy, the election. Who was the democrats' big hero this year, their big gun? Bill Clinton. A woman attacking, lying, corrupt, disgraced debarred perjurer who never got 50% of the vote when he ran for president. Yet he was their funny old respected distinguished statesman.

And where is George W Bush? No republican would dare go near him. We allow the fantasy that he caused a disaster after Katrina. We allow Obama to blame "them" again and again for the economy- and "they" is George W Bush, not the real culprits, filthy leftists degenerates like Barney Frank.

George Bush tried to stop the banking mortgage crisis, Barney Frank prevented it! And why do clever republicans allow the demonization of Bush? Because he's yesterday's news, unpopular. Why bother to defend him, or Cheney, they can't win anything anymore.

And we do the same with Papa Bush, a true war hero, in WWII and as Commander In Chief, a decent man by every measure. But we hate that "loser".

In Death Of A Salesman Willy Loman complains "You can't eat the orange and throw away the rind!". But we do. We sell out our own as soon as we think they aren't useful.

I'm not writing this as a love ode to W, I'm telling you that if you think we can lose arguments like this and win, you are crazy. Obama's only argument- most effectively articulated by that lying creep Bill Clinton- was that Obama could not be expected to have solved the terrible problems he inherited.

But he inherited the problem from Barney Frank. Did you EVER hear Mitt Romney explain that? Oh no we tremble at the thought of defending our own. Meanwhile we allow Bill Clinton to be a hero, and by the way we were afraid to call him the evil bastard he is as well. Our opposition has no such qualms.

And while we allow George Bush to be the Herbert Hoover in this mummer's farce, we have also allowed Hilary Clinton to be in line for the presidency in 2016. Hilary Clinton, an evil lying woman hurting, corrupt, lying she witch who is every bit the creep her husband is.

We are not going to win this way. But nobody mention that awful Bush.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: whywelost

1 posted on 11/07/2012 12:54:11 PM PST by Andrei Bulba
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To: Andrei Bulba; Deb

+1 bump.


2 posted on 11/07/2012 12:59:15 PM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Andrei Bulba

Let’s not kid ourselves, however. The Bushes might be decent people but their “thousand points of light,” and “compassionate conservatism” weren’t that different that some of the very RINOS we rightly spurn here.


3 posted on 11/07/2012 1:03:17 PM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Andrei Bulba

The quality of a democracy will never exceed the quality of the press. We’re toast.


4 posted on 11/07/2012 1:06:49 PM PST by aimhigh
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To: Andrei Bulba

It is time we stop bringing wet noodles to a knife fight with the Dems.

Instead we need to bring swords, axes, better yet, an Indiana Jones revolver when the Dems/MSM stand there in their Hassassin garb, swishing their scimitars and trying to look macho.

We must use these metaphorical verbal weapons or else things will continue to degenerate to a situation where “metaphorical” is insufficient.

These people are trying to & are succeeding in destroying our country!


5 posted on 11/07/2012 1:13:06 PM PST by BwanaNdege (Man has often lost his way, but modern man has lost his address - Gilbert K. Chesterton)
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To: Andrei Bulba
Did then former Governor Ronald Reagan get blamed for Watergate and Vietnam in 1980? Did then Governor Bill Clinton get blamed for President Carter's disastrous term in office in 1992? Was LBJ responsible for the Bay of Pigs? And if not, why was former Governor Romney blamed for whatever took place from 2001 to 2009?
6 posted on 11/07/2012 1:14:26 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: Andrei Bulba
The Bushes failed the leadership test. They never had fight in them.

Specifically, W had the opportunity to drive our issues at the outset of his first term but he chose to reach across the aisle instead.

7 posted on 11/07/2012 1:15:45 PM PST by skeeter
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To: Andrei Bulba

Unfortunately, many conservatives dislike Bush as much as the liberals do.

He was a President who worked to guide and lead the nation as a whole, unlike the current President who refuses to hang up his party-hat outside the door of the Oval Office.

Bush was failed by the Republicans in Congress, who abandoned him at every opportunity. Republicans need to set the record straight and redefine Bush’s legacy if they want to start winning again. Unfortunately conservatives are a coalition of the selfish.

Brings to mind the saying, “Together we stand, or together we’ll hang.”


8 posted on 11/07/2012 1:30:25 PM PST by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

The discussion of Bush policies misses the point here.


9 posted on 11/07/2012 1:40:39 PM PST by Andrei Bulba (No Obama, no way!)
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To: Andrei Bulba
I'm telling you that if you think we can lose arguments like this and win, you are crazy.

You are correct. We have to fight battles over and over because we let too much stand. The deficit was under $150 billion after six year of Bush, lower than the years before that. It was lower because the economy was strong. When we stop fighting old battles, we lose. The abandonment of Bush in his second term has sunk our party. Even when he wasn't fighting back, party surrogates should have been...not for him, but for the party. When we let it stand that the spending was from the Bush years and not Obama. When we let it be believed that unemployment is better than it was then, well, this is what we get. The fact is the Bush years were some of the best on record. Not without challenges, but he came in with an economy that had grown unprecedentedly for a few years, and he still kept it growing relatively well. History has been re-writen on this, as it is on so many other things while we have a thump up our ass.

10 posted on 11/07/2012 1:42:52 PM PST by ilgipper (Obama supporters are comprised of the uninformed & the ill-informed)
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To: coconutt2000
Bush was failed by the Republicans in Congress, who abandoned him at every opportunity.

Bush was elected as a conservative, even if of only the 'compassionate' type.

He governed as a big spending liberal. So, I think you have it quite wrong on who abandoned whom.

Your view of 'lead the nation as a whole', sounds a lot more like the 'finger in the wind' kind of leadership than the kind of principled leadership conservatives expect.

11 posted on 11/07/2012 1:49:22 PM PST by slowhandluke (It's hard to be cynical enough in this age.)
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To: ilgipper

Right. And how about Katrina? There is a reason Bobby Jindal is governor of La. A stupid corrupt dem governor denied Bush’s attempt to send in help because she was emailing with Carville, et al, to let the disaster happen and blame it on Bush.

And we let these democrats call Bush a racist murderer on Katrina. I’m not defending Bush I’m defending standing up to the democrats.


12 posted on 11/07/2012 1:50:31 PM PST by Andrei Bulba (No Obama, no way!)
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To: Andrei Bulba

Great post.

Bush spent too much, but when Republicans had control of both houses, our economy was humming along. Bush did try to warn of the coming mortgage crisis, but it fell on deaf ears. I get so irritated when Republicans let Obama get off easy with saying he “inherited this mess,” because he actually inherited it from the Democrat-controlled Congress elected in 2006.

As stated before, our economy had recovered nicely from 9-11 and was doing well. The Republicans lost in 2006 because of Iraq, not the economy. I wish they had the guts to set the record straight.

Everyone seems to fondly remember Clinton- for what reason I have no answer. Bush gets the short end of the stick, definitely.


13 posted on 11/07/2012 1:52:16 PM PST by tedrich
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To: Andrei Bulba
You partly enunciated something that has been troubling me for years and an issue that probably cost us the election this year. That is the Republican Party allowing the Democrats, and more importantly the media, to create a narrative that indicts the GOP in perpetuity.

I cannot tell you how many good, hard-working people that I have spoken with that blame George Bush, and by extension, the Republican Party for the collapse of the economy. So many Americans only watch the alphebet media for their news and are basically ignorant of the facts, and simply absorb any story-line or narrative the media feeds them.

I had a long conversation with a couple I recently became friends with last week. They asked me who I was voting for and after I told them it was Romney the female asked me “why I was blaming Obama for all the stuff George Bush did”. When I asked her what “stuff” she said, “are you kidding? look what he did to the economy.”

After fifteen minutes of explaining to her that the problem with the economy was the result the Housing and high risk-Securities bubble and how it was government interference in the housing market that set the table for such a mess, her eyes glazed over and her head started to bob.

She had no clue about Fannie and Freddie taking the risk away from the financial institutions by promising to buy all their paper, never heard of the “Red Lining” controversy that the Democrats engendered to force lending institutions to loan money to their irresponsible constitients. She does not know who Barney Frank and Chris Dodd are and anything about their role in creating this mess. And was incredulous when I told her that Barack Obama is more responsible for the collapse than George Bush is since he is one of the people that helped cause this mess through his work as an attorney for Acorn filing lawsuits under the Fair Housing Act to force lenders to loan money to high risk individuals. (I have a copy of the court docket for the infamous Citibank lawsuit that Citibank eventually settled, and which forced all the other lenders to comply wth the Community Reinvestment Act. Barack Obama’s name is on the document as a lawyer representing the plaintiffs in the case)

My point is this; If the Republican Party does not confront the media when they are perpetrating their latest lying narrative about the GOP and their politicians, there is not enough money in the world to try and change that perception on the part of the public during a political race. The GOP needs to confront the media every single day on these lies and call them out on every one of them as often as possible. If the GOP does not start fighting back and confront them on their shows about their bias, we will always be at a disavantage when they are counting votes.

PF

14 posted on 11/07/2012 2:06:41 PM PST by PresidentFelon
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To: Andrei Bulba

Quite honestly, Bush’s legacy his first four years and the Republican Party would have been far better off if Kerry had won the 2004 election.

Bush would still be a hero and not a party pariah.

Kerry would have got that real estate bubble that burst(and would have happened regardless who was president) and nobody would’ve e been able to blame Republicans for that mess.

We would have won the 2008 election and the country would be far better off today.

And Barack Obama would still be an obscure Senator from Illinois, a failed state.

Unfortunately, we can’t relive the past.


15 posted on 11/07/2012 2:06:41 PM PST by radpolis (Liberals: You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy)
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To: slowhandluke

The Bush Tax Cuts, wrongly called “tax cuts for the rich” even by McCain, mathematically made the tax code more progressive. By taking a goodly number of low earners off the rolls altogether the Bush Cuts helped build the “47 percent.”

The progressive ratcheting is all but impossible to reverse. But if we went back to the Clinton tax tables it would do that. Oh the horror.


16 posted on 11/07/2012 2:09:36 PM PST by Poincare (Reality is not a fool.)
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To: PresidentFelon
Amen. Been saying this for a while myself. When the market crashed, Pelosi was immediately at the microphone declaring that this was the result of the failed Bush economic policies.

No one in Congress took her on. Pubbies should have been front and center declaring that this was the result of decades of programs passed by Democratic Congress and implemented by Democrat Beauracrats.

17 posted on 11/07/2012 2:27:08 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Give it a rest.


18 posted on 11/07/2012 2:46:17 PM PST by Deb (If you wanna laugh everyday, follow Deepak Chopra on Twitter)
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To: radpolis
Quite honestly, Bush’s legacy his first four years and the Republican Party would have been far better off if Kerry had won the 2004 election.

And if Gore had pulled off 2000 I think it highly likely the democrats would have seriously bungled the response to 9/11 (Holder style civil trials in downtown Manhattan, etc.) and we'd have probably gotten a solid GOP congressional majority and different president in 2004.

19 posted on 11/07/2012 2:53:05 PM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

So by that measure, can one surmise that barry winning may ultimately be a ‘good’ thing? In that we all know we are in for a world of hurt, taxes, obamacare, the rise of the middle east, et al - sooooooo it will ALL occur on barry’s watch, right?

I am asking a serious question here, not being snarky.

Maybe the plan should include a method to get the message out on blame, as these things occur, which they definately will.


20 posted on 11/07/2012 4:09:51 PM PST by AllAmericanGirl44 (Fluck this adminstration of misfits.)
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To: AllAmericanGirl44

Doesn’t matter. Somehow the media will blame it on Republicans.

We all know this.

So why doesn’t our side actually do something, if we’re going to catch hell anyway? Drives me nuts.


21 posted on 11/07/2012 4:26:06 PM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: AllAmericanGirl44

All I’m saying is that the Bush’s helped get us in this mess. George HW quickly started undoing the Reagan legacy and gave us the Clintons. George W expanded government through prescription drug benefits, no child left behind, etc.


22 posted on 11/07/2012 5:14:18 PM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Poincare
the Bush Cuts helped build the “47 percent.”

Yet another reason to despise the Bush branch of the GOPE as just another branch of Fabian Socialists.

The GOPE does (at the time) what the left could only dream of doing and then lets the left twist the publics understanding of it into something the left can campaign against. They get to have their cake and eat it too.

We might be beyond that time when the left needs to have the faux-right do their dirty work.

23 posted on 11/08/2012 8:26:03 AM PST by slowhandluke (It's hard to be cynical enough in this age.)
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