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Todd: GOP will run toward immigration reform next year
Hot Air ^ | November 7, 2012 | Ed Morrissey

Posted on 11/07/2012 12:35:45 PM PST by Bratch

I think Chuck Todd has this right, and not just because of last night’s poor showing for Republicans among Hispanics.  In looking at the daunting issues facing the lame-duck 112th Congress and the incoming 113th, comprehensive immigration reform might be a comparative slam-dunk:

After Tuesday night’s re-election victory for President Barack Obama, MSNBC’s Chuck Todd predicted that one of the president’s agenda items — one promise he never managed to fulfill in his first term — would breeze into law. ”Immigration reform,” he said, will get “80 to 90 votes in the Senate.” Since the election night results showed Republicans unable to attract Latino voters, he said, “Republicans will run, not walk, in trying to support that now.”

The question isn’t whether Republicans will rush to back some version of comprehensive immigration reform.  There have always been enough Republican votes in the Senate to pass a reform plan.  A Republican President came close to passing a version of it in 2007 but got demagogued by Democrats and halted by conservatives in the Senate who thought it gave too much away.  Had Obama chosen to propose immigration reform in 2009, ahead of ObamaCare and particularly if he had allowed Republicans more of a bipartisan role in shaping a stimulus package both sides wanted in one form or another, Obama could easily have passed immigration on his terms three years ago.

Now, immigration reform looks like low-hanging fruit compared to the crises that face our political class now.  The lame-duck Congress has to undo sequestration and deal with Taxmageddon.  The next Congress has to figure out how to deal with massive deficits and unfunded entitlement liabilities that will crush the American economy within a decade without serious reform.  On those issues, there is substantial philosophical and ideological hostility.  In comparison, there are only a few issues keeping immigration reform from being passed, nearly none of which are ideological, and most of which are either technical or matters of prioritization.

I’d expect this to get taken up in early 2013 and pass by the summer, with substantial compromise on both sides.  It may be the only real bipartisanship we see next year.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; illegalimmigration; rinos
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Bipartisanship: Republicans rolling over and giving liberal Democrats everything they want.
1 posted on 11/07/2012 12:35:51 PM PST by Bratch
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To: Bratch

My congressman better hold the line on illegal immigration.


2 posted on 11/07/2012 12:38:04 PM PST by RC one (AKIN-2016)
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To: Bratch

Sure, alienate more of the base. And the rinos in the senate will go along.


3 posted on 11/07/2012 12:38:37 PM PST by ABQHispConservative
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To: Bratch

There are enough idiot RINOs that will grant citizenship to hard core Marxist thugs under the absurd notion that it will win them some votes.

If amnesty passes, this country is finished forever.


4 posted on 11/07/2012 12:39:07 PM PST by snowrip (Liberal? You are a socialist idiot with no rational argument.)
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To: Bratch

RINO’s, libertarians and conservatives and Christians need to part the ways. We have nothing in common any more.

Liberaltarians are the natural enemy of conservatives and the Libtarians should all die in a massive cultic suicide for all I care.

Let the RINO’s start their own party.

The GOP is dead.


5 posted on 11/07/2012 12:39:09 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Bratch
Assuming there are 30 million illegals in America, that's enough to create some 50 congressional districts and they don't even need to vote to do it. If they do vote, you can pretty much count on those districts being almost exclusively democrat. As it is we don't know how many districts exist almost wholly due to the presence of illegals.

The costs of administering a single district must run into the millions. How much pork can a district seek? How many earmarks? What will all those new democrat congressmen vote for?

If you think Obamacare is bad, you haven't seen squat. Wait till the day all those democrats start dictating how many cars a family can have, what job you can have, or where you can live. Wait till they dictate that all paychecks come from government and you get a small cut of what is left over.

Illegals are nothing but government growth hormone and amnesty today is nothing short of treason.
6 posted on 11/07/2012 12:39:51 PM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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reform???? how about freakin enforcement of our current laws, standards and practices for LEGAL immigration????


7 posted on 11/07/2012 12:39:54 PM PST by raygunfan
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To: Bratch

If you can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em. Open the borders and let ‘em all come in. When stuff starts blowing up, head for the hills.


8 posted on 11/07/2012 12:42:00 PM PST by ez (When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail.)
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To: Bratch

Who will be left for the angry old white men to vote for?


9 posted on 11/07/2012 12:42:24 PM PST by Sybeck1 (Beware the worst Halloween nightmare, the "Comeback Kid".......)
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To: Bratch

Yes, this is probably true. Republicans will probably cave on this thinking it will help them win Hispanic votes. It won’t. Hispanics are voting Democrat because a high percentage of them are poor and rely on government. They want free stuff. Period. It isn’t really any more complicated than that.

Should we be more mindful how we speak on issues of immigration? Yes. Should we make every effort to reach out to Hispanics so we don’t lose them by massive margins like we do now? Absolutely. But this nut is going to be tough to crack. The problem is they support big government social welfare programs. We could literally spearhead immigration reform and it wouldn’t help much since that is not why they don’t support the GOP.


10 posted on 11/07/2012 12:42:28 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: snowrip

I thought amnesty had already become law after Obama’s Executive Order Dream Act.


11 posted on 11/07/2012 12:44:11 PM PST by a real Sheila (RYAN/romney 2012)
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To: Bratch

Exactly: And he is right. Republicans will back whatever Obama tosses at them ,because most of them are democrats in disguise anyway and the rest have no balls.

Neither party is worth supporting.


12 posted on 11/07/2012 12:44:25 PM PST by Venturer
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To: Bratch

Right, just like failing to oppose “affirmative action” brought all those blacks into the GOP. Their problem was not opposing reverse discrimination in its infancy 40 years ago. Would have brought alot of Anglos into the party decades earlier. Same with immigration, should have kept the quotas instead of allowing the disruption of demographics. Now we are reaping the ill effects, not just politically but the inevitable riots and terrorist acts and continued whining from these groups.


13 posted on 11/07/2012 12:45:13 PM PST by A_Former_Democrat
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To: Bratch

If the Republican Party caves on illegals, we are finished as a country.

Just imagine 10-20 million illegals here plus chain migration, we would be committing national suicide.

70% of all legal and illegal Latin American immigrants are dependent on the welfare state.

If conservatives want to turn the US into a 3rd world country, this is the quickest and surest way to do it.

And if anybody believes that naturalizing all these illegals will be somehow good for the GOP has a loose screw in his head.

The fact is the GOP lost in multiple states that are almost purely White and hardly any illegals or Hispanics, so losing had nothing or little to do with the Latino vote.


14 posted on 11/07/2012 12:45:39 PM PST by radpolis (Liberals: You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy)
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To: snowrip

I thought amnesty had already become law after Obama’s Executive Order Dream Act.


15 posted on 11/07/2012 12:46:57 PM PST by a real Sheila (RYAN/romney 2012)
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To: Bratch

71% of Hispanics and 74% of Asian’s voted for Obama. GOP strategist Mike Murphy said in October 2011 that if you re-ran the 1980 election using today’s demographics, Reagan would win...but barely.

Demographics is destiny...


16 posted on 11/07/2012 12:47:30 PM PST by Wyatt's Torch (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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To: Longbow1969

Your Post #10 is spot-on.


17 posted on 11/07/2012 12:49:10 PM PST by MplsSteve (General Mills is pro-gay marriage! Boycott their products!)
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To: ABQHispConservative

Yep


18 posted on 11/07/2012 12:50:04 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: Bratch

Classic over-the-barrel situation. The GOP has two choices:

1. Ignore the Hispanics’ demands to give blanket amnesty to illegals, and continue to see them flock to the dems by 75%... or...

2. Appease the Hispanics’ demands to give blanket amnesty to illegals and continue to see them... and the erstwhile illegals... flock to the dems by 70%.

We are truly screwed, here. The point of no return has been passed.


19 posted on 11/07/2012 12:51:06 PM PST by ScottinVA (I've never been more disgusted with American voters.)
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To: Bratch

I guess bleeding out from slitting their wrists isn’t going fast enough, so they’ll just blow their brains out instead.


20 posted on 11/07/2012 12:53:03 PM PST by kevkrom (If a wise man has an argument with a foolish man, the fool only rages or laughs...)
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To: Bratch

We should’ve dealt with illegal immigration back in the 1980s, and didn’t.


21 posted on 11/07/2012 12:53:30 PM PST by ScottinVA (I've never been more disgusted with American voters.)
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To: MplsSteve

Yes, this is absolutely correct. What we’re seeing is 19th Century Tammany Hall tactics at work: let the immigrants in, give them free stuff, then make sure they know who gave them the free stuff when elections roll around.

Quite frankly, this is exactly what doomed the GOP with Blacks after the GOP was instrumental in passing the 1960s Civil Rights Acts. The GOP couldn’t win in a CRA vs CRA + free stuff scenario.


22 posted on 11/07/2012 12:56:24 PM PST by tanknetter
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To: Bratch

Didn’t McCain author the original immigration reform bill? How did that work out for him?


23 posted on 11/07/2012 12:56:39 PM PST by wiseprince
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To: Longbow1969

McCain DID spearhead immigration reform...


24 posted on 11/07/2012 1:00:51 PM PST by wiseprince
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To: Bratch
Absurd. Finish off America and the GOP.

Why Hispanics Don’t Vote for Republicans

25 posted on 11/07/2012 1:06:45 PM PST by Theoria (Romney is a Pyrrhic victory.)
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To: Sybeck1

Is that you idiot POS obama? Go to Hell! I am hispanic and hate your ass.


26 posted on 11/07/2012 1:11:09 PM PST by Mozilla
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To: Longbow1969
The hispanics vote Democrat because they perceive the Republicans to be white people, and the very racist hispanics hate white people.

They also hate Jews and blacks.

Eventually they'll figure out the Jews and blacks are Democrats ~ that hasn't happened yet but it will.

27 posted on 11/07/2012 1:11:25 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: snowrip

“If amnesty passes, this country is finished forever.”

Last night confirmed that the USA is dead and decomposing.


28 posted on 11/07/2012 1:12:27 PM PST by GOPsterinMA
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To: Bratch

I bet he is right.

The GOP will now try to outbid the DNC- good luck with that .

The dnc will be at free cars next election.


29 posted on 11/07/2012 1:12:34 PM PST by NoLibZone (The DNC out bid us. We need to offer 1 acre in Manhattan and $500,000 cash for every vote.)
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To: NoLibZone

a 3rd is a no go.

We have no 3rd party base to help a 3rd party president

We spend 100% of our time trying to convert the GOP and never built a 3rd party.


30 posted on 11/07/2012 1:15:34 PM PST by NoLibZone (The DNC out bid us. We need to offer 1 acre in Manhattan and $500,000 cash for every vote.)
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To: GOPsterinMA

I agree.

Its done.

The Former USA.

The DNC won they day the NEA was formed.


31 posted on 11/07/2012 1:17:07 PM PST by NoLibZone (The DNC out bid us. We need to offer 1 acre in Manhattan and $500,000 cash for every vote.)
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To: GOPsterinMA

I agree.

Its done.

The Former USA.

The DNC won they day the NEA was formed.


32 posted on 11/07/2012 1:17:24 PM PST by NoLibZone (The DNC out bid us. We need to offer 1 acre in Manhattan and $500,000 cash for every vote.)
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To: Bratch

Republicans can’t give in on illegal immigration. However, Republicans do need to reach more of the Latino vote. Not all Latinos are for illegals.

Last night, I was at my son’s baseball practice and the majority of the kids on his team are Latino. All of them working-class Latinos. When the election was called for Obama, every one of those Lationo parents was disappointed and griping about the expectation of higher taxes.

My wife was at my other son’s practice. Same situation. Most kids on that team are Latino. When she got home she said all those parents had the same reaction when hearing the news.


33 posted on 11/07/2012 1:18:49 PM PST by gubamyster
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To: Bratch
I predict an amnesty will be passed now before the end of 2013.

We are past the point of no return now, the invaders and their allies among us now outnumber us. It was so sad last night to watch the pictures of all the white people at Obama’s victory speech.

I have never seen anyone so happy to have voted to allow strangers from a foreign land invade the country our forefathers built from literally nothing to give to us, their posterity, only to have them throw it all away for a socialist pipe dream.

All immigration should of been stopped decades ago. The barbarians are now inside the gates, and we gave them and THEIR posterity voting rights to take everything from us and give it to THIER children and childrens, children. Nothing so sad and pathetic has ever happened in all of human history to my knowledge.

34 posted on 11/07/2012 1:19:40 PM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: Bratch

Who couldn’t see this coming? The Stupid Party will pander to our new masters, instead of getting rid of them. Those of us who want illegal immigration stopped have no one representing us. Instead of learning from their mistakes, the Republican Party is committing suicide.


35 posted on 11/07/2012 1:21:30 PM PST by Nea Wood (When life gets too hard to stand, kneel.)
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To: Sybeck1

You miss the aim of the exercise. The “angry old white men” will be extinct.


36 posted on 11/07/2012 1:26:11 PM PST by Trod Upon (Obama: Making the Carter malaise look good. Misery Index in 3...2...1)
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To: Bratch
The GOP committed suicide just yesterday.

Why even report on it?

37 posted on 11/07/2012 1:26:56 PM PST by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: ScottinVA

“We are truly screwed, here. The point of no return has been passed.”

Yep. Can the last one to leave please turn the CFL off?


38 posted on 11/07/2012 1:31:14 PM PST by GOPsterinMA
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To: Bratch

Great. Obama signaled that is one of his priorities next year.


39 posted on 11/07/2012 1:34:55 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: NoLibZone

Well said and sadly true...


40 posted on 11/07/2012 1:35:28 PM PST by GOPsterinMA
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To: Bratch

They think they can win by becoming liberals.


41 posted on 11/07/2012 1:49:22 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Why is the government more concerned about protecting a microbe on Mars than an unborn baby here?)
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To: GeronL

As is conservationism it would seem. True libertianinism is the believe in indiviual liberty.

Conservtivism is not an ideology but rather a desire to either hold on to what exist or return to what was.

Holding on to what exist is desirable to almost nobody, and returning to what was is perhaps no longer possible given the destruction of our demographic, moral, and economic base brought about over the last 100 years.

We can try to recreate the values and printable that led to what was, but that is mostly called liberalism with religious traditionalism.

In all of theses efforts our main problem is the matter of race, specifically the democrat’s lock on ethic minority as a kind of voter slave. We know from talking to these people that almost all of them are as conservative or more so than we are. But we simply can’t get their vote why?

Why are they voting for something or someone that is so at odds with their traditions and values?

There is something there and we have to Find & distory it fast! Or there will be nothing more than the democratic party period.


42 posted on 11/07/2012 1:55:54 PM PST by Monorprise
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To: Monorprise

bump

What are called “libertarians” today are the enemy of this country


43 posted on 11/07/2012 2:01:06 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Bratch

To bring in more aliens to do the jobs citizens don’t want? Really?


44 posted on 11/07/2012 2:01:18 PM PST by showme_the_Glory (ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government)
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To: Bratch

To bring in more aliens to do the jobs citizens don’t want? Really?


45 posted on 11/07/2012 2:03:56 PM PST by showme_the_Glory (ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government)
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To: Nea Wood

“Who couldn’t see this coming? The Stupid Party will pander to our new masters, instead of getting rid of them. Those of us who want illegal immigration stopped have no one representing us. Instead of learning from their mistakes, the Republican Party is committing suicide.

You know its interesting how in reality most of the Democratic party in particularly their black minority want that and many other conservative causes and yet they wont vote for it.

We have a very serous problem of race in America, only its not the problem the leftist have been defining for 100+ years its a problem of entire races voting in lock step against their own values & printable. In short they are themselves racist against themselves.

We have anther more fundmetal problem too, our famly has fallen apart with real marrage.

infact I would even go so far as to assert that REAL marrage does NOT EXIST anymore for 90% of the population.

A real marriage does not end in divorce, a real marriage is not defines so much by love as commitment to family. Hollywood has taken this acent idea and thrown it out with the baby.(who are also being produced at sub-replacement levels)

The short and simple status report is America is mostly dead already. What survives of our legacy are going to be the small pockets that hold to virtues. Perhaps groups like the Amish and the devout populations of the south.

There is likely to be little left of the rest of us in a 100 years time after we who are now living have all died off.


46 posted on 11/07/2012 2:07:10 PM PST by Monorprise
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To: Bratch

Major mistake, my office mate is a first generation American from Mexico and she is very English official language and emigration by the books. As a plus she’s as good looking as Salma Hayek.


47 posted on 11/07/2012 2:11:16 PM PST by A Strict Constructionist (We're an Oligrachy...Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: radpolis

See my tagline.


48 posted on 11/07/2012 2:26:07 PM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: A Strict Constructionist
Rules!


49 posted on 11/07/2012 2:31:12 PM PST by Bratch
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To: Bratch
The question isn’t whether Republicans will rush to back some version of comprehensive immigration reform. There have always been enough Republican votes in the Senate to pass a reform plan.

The Issue needs to be Addressed soon. Do you want LATINOs to be another DEMOCRATIC branch like the blacks are? We need to get the hispanic leaders and talk to them.

Hispanics are the new majority and if we don't do something, we might close down the GOP, because they'll have Texas, Florida and Georgia soon!!

50 posted on 11/07/2012 2:46:53 PM PST by ExCTCitizen (Conservatives needs to listen to the people...Social issues lost votes for the GOP)
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