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A NEW BEGINNING; AMERICA NOT DEAD!
USstream ^ | 12/07/2012 | Bill Whittle

Posted on 11/07/2012 11:38:21 AM PST by vivabushchick

WHEN THE CRYING IS OVER: One half of this country is virtuous the other half is unable to face evil. Bill Whittle makes an interesting case for the future that does not include civil disobedience.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012; americanism; billwhittle; exceptionalism; obama2012; whittle

1 posted on 11/07/2012 11:38:29 AM PST by vivabushchick
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To: vivabushchick

Face evil? 50.3%* proved yesterday that they ARE evil. The only time they face evil is when they look at each other or in the mirror.

* Will concede that some of them are merely terminally stupid rather than evil. Same result.


2 posted on 11/07/2012 11:41:57 AM PST by peyton randolph (FUBO and his wookie beard)
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To: vivabushchick

Ugh. Video only and nobody not lazy enough to transcribe. Save your clicks, folks.


3 posted on 11/07/2012 11:46:22 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: vivabushchick

Let’s see....:

Shut down domestic energy production.
Destroy stability of foreign energy sources and ensure they hate us.
Crush the Defense inudustry.
Destroy the best healthcare system in the world.
Destroy U.S. economy.
Promote illegal imigration and provide them free everything.
Crush Religious Freedom.
Delete the 2nd Ammendment.
Oppress Freedom of Speech.
Destroy our education system and supplant it with Socialist indoctrination and non-value added courses.
Shut down charities, so they don’t compete with gov’t vote buying programs.
Dull the culture and destroy motivation with easy access to drugs.
Looks like TOAST to me!


4 posted on 11/07/2012 11:50:23 AM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: vivabushchick

Shes dead Jim...


5 posted on 11/07/2012 11:51:33 AM PST by Howdyneighbor
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To: peyton randolph
Those who serve to further the ambitions of evil are evil.
6 posted on 11/07/2012 11:51:53 AM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: G Larry

Welcome to Entitlementville. Population: Us


7 posted on 11/07/2012 12:05:55 PM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: vivabushchick

What’s wrong with civil disobedience?


8 posted on 11/07/2012 12:06:35 PM PST by oblomov
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To: Cyber Liberty

This was off the cuff, moments after the bad news of Romney defeat. If you watched the video, you probably heard Bill Whittle mention he will be on PJ media in a day or two. Do you find a PJ media special guest interview UN-credible as well?


9 posted on 11/07/2012 12:06:58 PM PST by vivabushchick (Obama lies: The gift that keeps giving.)
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To: oblomov

Nothing is wrong with lawful civil disobedience. However, what Bill is saying is that nothing is going to turn this huge entitlement ship around. Let it sink with it’s captain. What we have to do now is endure and over come the coming bad times and be ready to take America back the way it was intended by our Forefathers.


10 posted on 11/07/2012 12:13:04 PM PST by vivabushchick (Obama lies: The gift that keeps giving.)
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To: vivabushchick

I welcome your opinions AFTER you view the video. Jim, I especially welcome your review and comments on what Bill Whittle proposes. Thanks


11 posted on 11/07/2012 12:15:57 PM PST by vivabushchick (Obama lies: The gift that keeps giving.)
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To: vivabushchick

bookmark


12 posted on 11/07/2012 12:35:18 PM PST by tentmaker
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To: vivabushchick

Where did I say he was “UN-credible?” I can’t hear very well, and these post ‘n’ dump vidoes that people post on FR pi$$ me off. IOW, I’m not ticked at him, I’m ticked at you.


13 posted on 11/07/2012 12:52:56 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: vivabushchick
Nothing is wrong with lawful civil disobedience

There is no such thing as "lawful civil disobedience".

Try saying "no" or saying nothing to a cop these days.

14 posted on 11/07/2012 12:53:22 PM PST by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: vivabushchick

bump for home. Bill is a good voice to listen to. Thanks for posting!


15 posted on 11/07/2012 12:53:30 PM PST by holly go-rightly
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To: vivabushchick

There is just one problem with his idea, he thinks that if you leave them alone, ignore them, and just obey the law, they will leave you alone.

They won’t. How will you fund any of this when the raise the tax rate to 90%, as they eventually will to feed the falling apart ponzi scheme?


16 posted on 11/07/2012 1:15:11 PM PST by Truthsearcher
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To: vivabushchick

Unfortunately the coming economic collapse will be followed by chaos and violent civil unrest. The inner city tribal parasites will riot, burn, rape and pillage. What rises out of the ashes is likely to be a dictator.


17 posted on 11/07/2012 1:15:59 PM PST by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: SVTCobra03
Unfortunately the coming economic collapse will be followed by chaos and violent civil unrest. The inner city tribal parasites will riot, burn, rape and pillage. What rises out of the ashes is likely to be a dictator.

I think you'd see several rump nations form out of this in the future. Think of the CBS series "Jericho" or the current NBC series "Revolution" with electricity.
18 posted on 11/07/2012 1:23:09 PM PST by Nowhere Man (Whitey, I miss you so much. Take care, pretty girl. (4-15-2001 - 10-12-2012))
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To: G Larry
Dull the culture and destroy motivation with easy access to drugs.

Drugs such as alcohol?

19 posted on 11/07/2012 1:50:52 PM PST by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: vivabushchick

Here’s a plan:

Texas leaves the Union, goes hard core conservative outlawing abortion etc so liberals there flee to the rest of the the USA. They start drilling for oil in the Gulf and defend their border.

As the US falls more and more into debt, Texas buys up Arizona, Utah, etc. until you have a solid homeland for all conservatives and the Liberals left with the rest.

Optional: rename Texas to Gault’s Gulch.


20 posted on 11/07/2012 2:02:09 PM PST by Grig
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

Yes, every society needs as much poison in the culture as possible.

If you have one, add 20 more and things will be much better.

The “it’s no worse than” meme is tired and wrong.


21 posted on 11/07/2012 2:05:14 PM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: vivabushchick

” AMERICA NOT DEAD!”

Maybe not but it was coughing up blood last night.


22 posted on 11/07/2012 2:06:24 PM PST by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: G Larry
Dull the culture and destroy motivation with easy access to drugs.

Drugs such as alcohol?

Yes, every society needs as much poison in the culture as possible.

If you have one, add 20 more and things will be much better.

Do you support making society better by subtracting the poison alcohol?

23 posted on 11/07/2012 2:17:22 PM PST by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: Howdyneighbor
Requires a picture!


24 posted on 11/07/2012 2:26:29 PM PST by Fledermaus (2012: The year the Constitution died.)
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To: Cyber Liberty

bfl


25 posted on 11/07/2012 2:27:50 PM PST by ConservativeMan55
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To: vivabushchick
interesting case for the future that does not include civil disobedience.

No I think soon we will have RIOTING in the streets, because we need to cut spending! the people won't like it, but we will be GREECE and Spain soon... without the history!!

26 posted on 11/07/2012 2:32:20 PM PST by ExCTCitizen (Conservatives needs to listen to the people...Social issues lost votes for the GOP)
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To: ExCTCitizen

I’m not seeing the downside in that scenario. If they’re rioting it’s because they’re in pain. If that doesn’t wake them up the pain should continue until they do or until they suffer the consequences of their choices. People who live on the edge because they expect others to support them might find themselves suddenly freezing or starving. I have no problem with that whatsoever.

Social Darwinism is not evil. It’s a vital incentive for survival.


27 posted on 11/07/2012 2:39:54 PM PST by Windcatcher (Obama is a COMMUNIST and the MSM is his armband-wearing propaganda machine.)
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To: vivabushchick
No, America is finished. At least the America that matters. Soon to go $20 trillion into debt where the interests payments alone will be $1 trillion.

Math deosn't care about Republicans and Democrats. We are on an unsustainable course.

I hope the South rises again.

28 posted on 11/07/2012 2:41:05 PM PST by The Iceman Cometh (Proud Teabagging Barbarian Terrorist Hobbit Son-of-a-Bitch!)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

I support halting the degradation of society by not adding poisons.


29 posted on 11/07/2012 4:26:21 PM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: G Larry
Do you support making society better by subtracting the poison alcohol?

I support halting the degradation of society by not adding poisons.

Nonresponsive. Do you support reversing the degradation of society by subtracting the poison alcohol?

30 posted on 11/08/2012 7:29:44 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: vivabushchick

Just another pile of lame platitudes, and outright denial.

We just have to turn like them; anything goes!


31 posted on 11/08/2012 7:38:51 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: G Larry

yer scawing them Lawwy.

Pleeze don’t scawe them.


32 posted on 11/08/2012 7:41:53 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies
I owe you NOTHING!

I oppose legalizing drugs because it further degrades the culture.

Your excuse for further corrupting the culture, is indefensible and completely ignores reality and experience.

33 posted on 11/08/2012 9:35:02 AM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: G Larry
Do you support making society better by subtracting the poison alcohol?

I support halting the degradation of society by not adding poisons.

Nonresponsive. Do you support reversing the degradation of society by subtracting the poison alcohol?

I owe you NOTHING!

No, nor do you owe anything to the lurkers who by now know exactly why you strenuously avoid answering a simple question.

I oppose legalizing drugs because it further degrades the culture.

And yet you vehemently refuse to support reducing the degradation of culture by criminalizing the drug alcohol.

Your excuse for further corrupting the culture,

I'm not offering an "excuse" for anything but merely noting your hypocrisy and double standards.

is indefensible and completely ignores reality and experience.

What reality and experience do you claim I ignore? And aren't you ignoring the reality and experience of alcohol use?

34 posted on 11/08/2012 9:57:02 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: Truthsearcher

Thank you for watching the video. You might want to pose some questions to Bill.


35 posted on 11/08/2012 10:44:30 AM PST by vivabushchick (Obama lies: The gift that keeps giving.)
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To: holly go-rightly

Oh and here is more about Bills plan: The Future Is Bright for Private Space Exploration http://youtu.be/ElBobFOl8Kw


36 posted on 11/08/2012 11:00:08 AM PST by vivabushchick (Obama lies: The gift that keeps giving.)
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To: vivabushchick

To All: Election update PJ TV with Bill Whittle http://www.pjtv.com/?cmd=mpg&mpid=509


37 posted on 11/08/2012 11:08:59 AM PST by vivabushchick (Obama lies: The gift that keeps giving.)
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To: vivabushchick

To All: Sorry, that was the wrong link.

http://www.pjtv.com/?cmd=mpg&mpid=509


38 posted on 11/08/2012 11:14:21 AM PST by vivabushchick (Obama lies: The gift that keeps giving.)
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To: The Iceman Cometh

To All: The America that matters is Americanism. We have been through worse; the civil war, the crash, depression, WWII and now we have this two bit Marxist that thinks he has WON! Well you all go ahead and continue to cry in your beer because for me they will not matter, they can all go to hell and try to stop me from being the EXCEPTIONAL AMERICAN that GOD intended me and my children to be. This is the time for COURAGE!!


39 posted on 11/08/2012 11:30:12 AM PST by vivabushchick (Obama lies: The gift that keeps giving.)
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To: Cyber Liberty; Jim Robinson
The video is long, and Bill did ramble a bit since he was trying to record his initial excited presentation of this new idea. But here's the essential message, which should be understood by Freepers since we are already using the methodology.

1. Only a virtuous people can maintain a government like our founders established.

2. The government established by the founders was suited to an agrarian people of virtue.

3. The government established by the founders transmogrified into a vertical arrangement where a central government assumed greater control and power in order to manage the advancements of the 'industrial revolution' which concentrates populace more in cities than on farmlands.

4. A new 'revolution' such as the Internet and electronic technology brings to the scheme no longer functions best under the old vertical federal management, so a new approach is needed, where the fed no longer manages all the strings of the institutions of the Republic.

5. Privatizing the funding and functioning of institutions such as education can be the new way to work around a dinosaur federal bureaucracy. Since private funding would be required to deliver the expected benefits, such a private funding would be more successful in maintaining an integrity which translates to greater virtue in the longer perspective, where folks are paying for what they really value, getting a better return more attuned to their desires, and thus fostering greater personal responsibility.

6. Eventually, this assuming greater responsibility for where the money goes from your spendable income translates into apeople of greater personal virtue and thus the federal oligarchy will either be again transmogrified or perish in obsolescence.

Of course, this new approach is vulnerable to a level of fraud and a government so pernicious that it is cancelling rights established by the founders is more likely to pass laws aimed at stopping privatization success rather than ignoring it.

And we see that Bill Whittle's admonition to 'just move on now, and ignore' the fact that the takers and handout dependants are now in charge, well that approach essentially is naive given the open cancelling of our Constitution this administration and the democrat in general are engineering as we write!

Here at FR, we have been funding via private donations and we see that it can be successful. Sadly, even this free-to-express-and-research-the-truth forum is about to be 'regulated' by this current criminal enterprise running the nation.

Whittle enumerated two examples of how this 'new methodology in parallel to the corroding federal bureaucracy' could function: the space program and education via Internet schools. If you can spare the time, the video is well worth listening to all the way through. I believe Bill is going to segment the lengthy video into smaller bytes with greater specificity in the near future. We'll see ...

40 posted on 11/08/2012 11:55:00 AM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Truthsearcher

With little barry bastard degenerate in charge for the next four years, I doubt this nation will remain free long enough to reach such an oppressive tax schedule. The chaos factor will increase exponentially from today and the economic collapse will arrive within two years, and that will make us vulnerable for usurpation from outside ... all according to plan don’tchaknow!


41 posted on 11/08/2012 11:58:51 AM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: MHGinTN

Thank you very much for that! It sounded like it was important, but if it’s not something I can read, I can’t get it.


42 posted on 11/08/2012 1:50:40 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: MHGinTN

Thank you for the excellent summary. As Bill Whittle states, he spent the first third of this life getting ready for space. More background information on privatizing space flight: http://youtu.be/2h_d6YVA1Kg


43 posted on 11/08/2012 5:37:52 PM PST by vivabushchick (Obama lies: The gift that keeps giving.)
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To: vivabushchick
Check out the new discussion THREAD about Bill Whittle's newest PROJECT:
BILL WHITTLE launches MrVirtualPresident.com to "shadow" Obama, releases "Virtual Inaugural" video
From www.mrvirtualpresident.com:
Virtual Inaugural 2013
February 6, 2013


www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GfJaLzbm40
Virtual President Bill Whittle outlines the three essential qualities needed
for the Pursuit of Happiness in Modern America...


44 posted on 02/07/2013 12:52:04 AM PST by RonDog
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Check out the NEW thread, about the first installment of Bill Whittle's "Virtual SOTU" speech:
"Virtual President" BILL WHITTLE "Virtual STATE OF THE UNION - 2013"
[part one: talking about GUNS]
From www.mrvirtualpresident.com:
GUNS (Virtual State of the Union - 2013)
February 21, 2013


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_T-F_zfoDqI

In this segment of his Virtual State of the Union,
the Virtual President talks about why politicians want to talk about gun control rather than crime control,
and delivers the factual evidence and historical truths
that make the case for the Second Amendment self-evident...

For the latest from The Virtual President go to www.mrvirtualpresident.com


© 2013 Mr. Virtual President. All Rights Reserved.
CLICK HERE for the rest of this new "V-POTUS" thread.

45 posted on 02/21/2013 8:25:24 PM PST by RonDog
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