Posted on 11/07/2012 10:29:18 AM PST by chessplayer
What happened to all that Republican enthusiasm we heard talk about since the Tea Party took America by storm?
With 95 percent of Tuesday's ballots counted, it appears Mitt Romney could end up with less votes than John McCain got in 2008 when all the planets lined up against the GOP.
At press time, Romney has 56,972,497 votes.
In 2008, McCain got 59,934,814.
If only five percent of the votes are still left to be counted as reported by the Associated Press, this means there may be a little over six million ballots remaining.
Romney would have to get 48.3 percent of those just to match McCain's total.
Of course, even if that were to happen, this would have to be viewed as a terrible showing for Romney.
All we've been hearing for months was that there was far more enthusiasm this election for Republicans.
Massive Democratic voter fraud!
I think what many of us overlooked is that the Economic Collapse was imprinted on Bush and the GOP party in a much deeper manner than thought.
I think a lot of the Stay At Home Bush voters went into an “I hate all of them” mood. It will take another 4 years of Obama to wake them up, and even then it will take an inspirational figure to do it. I have no idea who that is. I suspect the GOP is going to put their chips behind Rubio.
The GOP-e will conclude that they went too far right with Romney. Laugh, but I have already heard it on the network coverage last night/this morning.
This is the thing that dumbfounded me. The numbers simply do not match.
1) We knew that this race would be close.
2) nonetheless, I think we should start asking how many dead people, pets, illegal aliens and felons voted. I may be tilting at windmills along with everyone else here, but I have a hard time believing that massive fraud wasn’t involved.
3) in the absence of any verification of fraud, as much as I hate to say this, perhaps it is time to re-visit the electoral college issue. When the Founding Fathers created the Constitution, I don’t believe that they ever envisioned the America that we have today.
4) If nothing else can be done, perhaps the red states should consider secession. For us, it resolves a lot of looming issues.
I’m really starting to wonder about that. I suppose it’s very possible.
I forgot to add, even with me saying that, I still find it hard to believe Romney couldn’t even get past the McCain total....that seems almost impossible because Obama did not get any MORE votes. It isn’t like Obama picked up the McCain voter, he lost voters too.
Maybe more people just think it is rigged and a joke and doesn’t matter? A puppet show?
I forgot to add, even with me saying that, I still find it hard to believe Romney couldn’t even get past the McCain total....that seems almost impossible because Obama did not get any MORE votes. It isn’t like Obama picked up the McCain voter, he lost voters too.
Maybe more people just think it is rigged and a joke and doesn’t matter? A puppet show?
In a June UPI poll, 10% of Republicans stated they would not vote for a Mormon. Do the math.
McCain getting more votes than Romney.
I admit I get a bit of twisted humor by this fact. Taking into account, of course, the endless arguments I kept hearing over and over touting Romney’s “electability.”
The Republican party fractured at that point ~ and not just into two parts but about half a dozen parts.
Many Preibus supporters were also NOT Romney supporters ~ which shows you the kind of fractures that party had to deal with. The firing of Steele ~ apparently for being there when Republicans won a big election created other fractures between RTL conservatives and the soon to be renamed GOP-e ~ they obviously weren't going to get together at all in the long run.
Without going into all the details, the Republicans set themselves up to be skewered first by the GOP-e and then by the Democrats, even as the Democrats began to spill disaffiliated Democrats by the millions.
Preibus provided little if any primary support to make sure all went well, and even less support to Senatorial candidates ~ particularly those who did not buy into his blind loyalty to Romnyism.
I’m thinking more and more that they managed to find a way to pull fraud on a gigantic scale. There are so many ways they could have done it.
GWB got 62M votes in 2004...so an even bigger fail.
On any given day you can probably find 10% of Republicans ready to not vote for almost anyone of any affiliation.
I'd like to see the structure of that poll too ~
Obviously our vote counts less than who counts the vote.
Do we need a bloody civil war? NO, because people have not yet learned what it means to be enslaved, so they don't have the will to fight for their freedom. Americans must first learn the price of freedom before they are willing to pay it. And the price of freedom is not Blood. The price of freedom is the moral integrity to live by the rule of righteousness. As long as a significant portion of the country is willing to live on welfare, live a totally immoral life, or a be a boob tube useless eater that has no spiritual understanding beyond how to open a bag of Frito's, there is no America to fight for.
There is no reason for the Progressives to remain here for money, they have stolen more money than we can repay in generations of hard work. Now its about power. And what good is power except to make people suffer under your thumb. If you use power to serve peoples needs, that is called responsibility, something quite out of vogue in DC.
Nope, as long as we have a Congress that is willing to let an impostor be a president, so they can run a country without a budget, there is nothing to fight for.
Only thing that will save America now is Suffering, and plenty of it. And that is a Change that Zero and his buddies will deliver in quantity. Next stop, famine in the land...
Need to begin working on the midterms now with candidates that don’t mangle sentences that include the word ‘rape’. We also need to fight the commies on their level.
Half of that is 3m votes. That's Obama's margin of victory right there. Maybe it was never in the cards. Romney is the ideal RINO candidate except for the fact that he's Mormon.
This is the most perplexing thing to me. All the votes haven’t been counted but a good estimate is that Obama will get 6-7 million LESS votes than in 2008. That’s a 9-10% decrease, which should end up in a resounding defeat for an incumbent.
What then, happened to the groundswell for the GOP? Conservatives seemed to have made their peace with Romney and there seemed to be a lot of enthusiasm among conservatives and Christian conservatives.
Apparently it was all an illusion. Turnout worse than McCain? Good grief. It also killed a lot of Senate races (of course some of them had self-inflicted wounds)
This lack of turnout is a complete puzzlement to me.
if not ‘rape’ it’ll be some other word. we need to get some coaches out to these candidates to instruct them on how to NOT get involved in any back and forth commentary with leftwingtard reporters.
Every future GOP primary debate from now to the end of time needs to feature at least one question on rape and abortion.
Cost us two slam dunk seats in this election and probably caused at least some of our voters in other areas not to come out and vote at all.
maybe those voters who reported they pushed the Romney touch screen area and Obama touch screen area registered a vote (for Obama) happened a lot more than anyone imagined. The chicago thugs rigged machines??? this may not be so far fetched ....wasn’t there articles suggesting rigged machines prior to election?
Too many voters were willing to overlook Obama's record because they didn't want to see America's first Black president not be re-elected. Would've been seen as a slap in the face to Blacks and a setback for civil rights.
In other words, white guilt won Obama a second term.
The shiftless are leading the clueless.
That may also explain why the GOP hung on to Congress, but lost the White House.
Obama lost more votes though. Again, McCain got more votes because more people voted in general BUT he got less EV than Romney, lost two more states than Romney (Indiana and NC) and lost by a wider margin in places like VA, FL, and OH.
McCain did worse than Romney..period.
2008
Obama 69,456,897
McCain 59,934,814
2012 (not final)
Obama 59,971,178
Romney 57,304,430
I don’t think anyone could have defeated Obama.
Too many voters were willing to overlook Obama’s record because they didn’t want to see America’s first Black president not be re-elected. Would’ve been seen as a slap in the face to Blacks and a setback for civil rights.
In other words, white guilt won Obama a second term.
The shiftless are leading the clueless.
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Exactly. People still blaming Bush allowing the black guy get away with doing a shitty job out of feeling sorry for him. same crap white guilt always does with minorities. low expectations and placing blame of their failure on some white guy.
It's like being a sort of kinder-gentler snake handler. i grew up in a neighborhood with such people. They all assured me they were my friend, and we should play, and why not come to church with them someday.
They were also quick to advise me that 'they who donna' tek' op' ye snakes AIR gonna' go to Hell' ~ so, theologically there are inoffensive methods, and then there are the snakehandlers who share the same theology as the methodists. There are fake snakehandlers who do the pentecostal thing, but they're fake pentecostals as well ~ one jerk or la-la-la at the wrong time and that snake has you in his teeth.
So, snake handlers will tell you that you are doomed unless you do it their way. Mormons have that same message but you have to read about it. They are not like Methodists theologically speaking.
Another nice thing about Mormons is they don't use snakes in church ~ far's as I have heard. But you have to join up and work your way through the chairs to find out. I'd bet Mit knows.
Very Well Put and True.
Palin was on the ticket last time.
Consider the fact that Todd Akin, a Presbyterian, and Richard Mourdock, an Evangelical, both lost their senate races in states Romney carried handily. I don't think anti-Mormonism is a significant factor.
It would be very helpful if we had a comparison by state of the McCain vote in 2008 and Romney’s vote. I wonder if we’d see that drop-off even more so in battleground states.
Maybe someone, somewhere is putting that together for publication soon.
Can you handle the truth about the low voter turnout for Romney? McCain got more votes because of the true conservative, Sarah Palin! McCain was running off the road into the ditch until Sarah came on board to ignite the “conservative base”! The GOP still does not get it!
Granted, the comparison numbers will change, but I’ve taken a preliminary look at 10 states and can only find three where McCain beat Romney:
TN 1.93%, OH 3.85%, PA 1.71%
FL and TX were up 1-2%
NC +6.8% (flipped)
VA +1.3% (remained Zero)
CO +4.3% (remained)
NV +12.01% (remained)
WI +11.3% (remained)
I’ve not found the rest of the difference, but the next I will examine will be where I expect to see a big drop, NY and NJ.
I'd argue that Akin and Mourdock lost the moderate vote, which presumably went for Romney and provided his margin of victory.
The question is whether she also ignited the liberal base, such that Obama won the popular vote by a 7% margin.
So much for the meme that Palin cost Republicans votes.
Yep. Millions (yes, millions) of illegal aliens participating in the election. Ballots conveniently printed in Spanish for them. Acorn (gone underground with a dozens of different names) engaging in vote fraud. No ID checking. Etc etc. It's ugly.
“Half of that is 3m votes. That’s Obama’s margin of victory right there. Maybe it was never in the cards. Romney is the ideal RINO candidate except for the fact that he’s Mormon.”
Blind bigots. They claim to be pro-life, yet they were willing to allow Obamacare (an institutionalized, taxpayer-funded assault on the lives of the unborn, the sick and the elderly) to stand rather than vote for somebody they consider a “cultist” who pledged to repeal it.
They are no less bigoted than blacks who voted for Obama merely because he’s half black.
The poor turnout this year compared to 2008 is the most significant stat of the election IHMO. People are utterly fed up with both parties and don’t see the point.
We need to adjust our messaging to appeal to an electorate that sees politicians as only a hair better than child molesters. 2010 was a big win for the Tea Party in part because they were emitting an anti-establishment vibe.
We are the minority party, the opposition party, and we need to start exploiting the opportunities that provides. Stick it to the man.
And McCain and Palin did worse than Romney and Ryan. They lost more states ie Electoral votes, and lost the crucial battleground states like FL, VA, and OH by a larger margin, and lost the popular vote by a larger margin than Romney and Ryan did with Obama. The reason McCain and Palin got more votes is because the turn out was higher in 2008 for both sides. However they were creamed in the pop vote and in the EC.
The myth of Palin needs to die, frankly.
We need a sort of finishing school where the inexperienced potential candidates can get training and endure a baptism of fire out of the media glare. We've had way too many campaign implosions. Better to isolate any weakling from the herd.
Compared several states. The 2012 returns on the Fox site are still inocomplete. Many states still below 90% counted and many others a few percent not yet counted. Comparing McCain and Romney state-by-state with Fox 2012 numbers wouldn’t tell us much yet.
And he really didn’t beat Romney in those three states either. Put it this way; who came closer to Obama in PA and OH? Was it McCain or Romney?
OHIO:
Obama vs McCain
51.4% 46.8%
Obama vs Romney
50% 48&
PA:
Obama vs McCain
54.4% 44.2%
Obama vs Romney
52.0% 46.8%
Thank you for that. I was going to do that next, as I wondered. However, on my first pass at data collection, I did not record Obama votes.
This probably contributed to why the final numbers don’t make sense at all...there were reports of huge turnouts in republican districts.
Here’s a video of a voting machine expert’s court testimony where he explains in detail how votes can be manipulated on the voting machines. “The central tabulator’s data is extremely easy to manipulate”...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=US&hl=en&client=mv-google&v=IFY1iwE2qzI&feature=youtu.be&nomobile=1
For example, a WiFi or Bluetooth card can be hidden within the computer underneath the motherboard to remotely manipulate large numbers of votes.
Or someone can also manually upload huge amounts of duplicate votes in Democrat districts multiple times (reloading memory cards multiple times in a precinct / while destroying the paper trail at precincts).
If democrats heard all the news stories of Republicans “stealing the election” over the last several weeks, they would have no issues tampering with votes on their side.
The lack of turnout really is a puzzle. Perhaps the energy and excitement was too localized. Perhaps the fair-weather conservatives did not feel the energy that we felt, and thus they didn’t think it was worth their time to vote. Perhaps if the Tea Party rallies had been going on throughout the summer and fall, more people would have been energized enough to turn out.
I don’t think there was much energy on the Rat side either. How did they manage to turn out +6 more than us? They must have a very workman-like attitude, where they show up to vote even if they don’t care enough to go to rallies or put up yard signs.
Steele happened to be in there, but had absolutely nothing to do with 10.
Yep -- you got it, Brother FReeper. And what is our Fearless Leader Rush Limbaugh doing today? Whining and accusing most of his fellow Americans of being "children" who wanted to vote for "Santa Claus." When logic dictates that it's the opposite, that most of his fellow Americans rejected "Santa" but were cheated -- we outnumber liberals in votes. It's why Democrats and liberals have to cheat.
But bamboozled Rush is intent on self-pity, condescension, and insults, and Republicans are nodding in agreement with him.
No wonder they call it the "stupid party."
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