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Turnout shaping up to be lower than 2008 (and 2004)
AP (Yahoo News) ^ | 11/7/12 | Josh Lederman

Posted on 11/07/2012 6:01:47 AM PST by RightGeek

A drop in voter turnout in Tuesday's election didn't keep President Barack Obama from winning a second term in the White House.

Preliminary figures suggest fewer people voted this year than four years ago, when voters shattered turnout records as they elected Obama to his first term.

In most states, the numbers are shaping up to be even lower than in 2004, said Curtis Gans, the director of American University's Center for the Study of the American Electorate. Still, the full picture may not be known for weeks, because much of the counting takes place after Election Day.

"By and large, people didn't show up," Gans said.

In Texas, turnout for the presidential race dropped almost 11 percent from 2008. Vermont and South Carolina saw declines that were almost as large. The drop-off was more than 7 percent in Maryland, where voters approved a ballot measure allowing gay marriage.

With 95 percent of precincts reporting, The Associated Press figures showed more than 117 million people had voted in the White House race, but that number will go up as more votes are counted. In 2008, 131 million people voted, according to the Federal Election Commission.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: election; turnout; voters
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Unbelievable. There are sins of omission as well as commission.
1 posted on 11/07/2012 6:01:56 AM PST by RightGeek
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To: RightGeek

59 Million people voted for McCain in 2008, and 56 Million people voted for Romnet in 2012? Makes no sense.


2 posted on 11/07/2012 6:04:49 AM PST by mgist
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To: RightGeek

Voter alienation. They figure they can’t change anything anymore so don’t bother voting.

I run into people like this all the time now.


3 posted on 11/07/2012 6:05:05 AM PST by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: headstamp 2

face it, many conservatives stayed home again, because conservatism wasn’t on the ballot.


4 posted on 11/07/2012 6:06:21 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: RightGeek

These turnout figures don’t mean anything anymore. With all the voter registration drives that just add names to the lists, there’s no way to tell if they really reflect apathy or what.


5 posted on 11/07/2012 6:06:46 AM PST by cotton1706
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To: RightGeek

I’m not buying what Obamas lapdogs are selling. My rural precinct ran out of ballots. The MSM lies but you believe them NOW?


6 posted on 11/07/2012 6:07:18 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (My faith and politics cannot be separated)
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To: RightGeek

Truly stunning. WE didn’t care. WE conservatives did not turn out. Words fail me.


7 posted on 11/07/2012 6:07:37 AM PST by Doctor 2Brains
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To: RightGeek
I posted something similar on another board and I think this is a relevant story

the US will be Canada in that it won’t matter who wins, voter turnout will eventually begin to drop (probably 45% participation rate) because the vast majority will finally realize it doesn’t matter who wins. Nothing will be different, well, maybe around the edges. Canada is just an advanced democracy and what that means is multiple parties that argue around the edges with a population that doesn’t care, for the most part. See your future
8 posted on 11/07/2012 6:08:39 AM PST by wiseprince
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To: RightGeek

Voter fatigue. I ran into many of such people. Just tired of politics, all the ads on TV. When that happens, the race will go to the superior GOTV efforts. The Democrats are MUCH better at that then the GOP. That is probably the bottom line. You can talk principles and ideals all you want, but it all depends on who actually gets their people to vote, and they do it much better than we do.


9 posted on 11/07/2012 6:09:21 AM PST by Paradox (I want Obama defeated. Period.)
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To: RightGeek

Perhaps someone needs to compare the states using electronic votes to paper scans.


10 posted on 11/07/2012 6:10:16 AM PST by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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To: mgist

At the end, when they finish counting in CA and WA, and also total the absentee ballots in some states, it will be Obama 61.5 mil, Romney 58.5 mil votes, or very close to that.

Note that McCain (or should I say Palin) got 60 mil votes, and W in 2004 got 62 million.

Romney was a weak, unispiring candidate, he did not get the voters to the polls, he was worse than McCain.


11 posted on 11/07/2012 6:10:20 AM PST by ubaldus
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To: RightGeek

I’ve heard that “Evangelicals” stayed home. I guess they’d rather have a muslim than a Mormon.


12 posted on 11/07/2012 6:10:47 AM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Enemy of the regime since 2008)
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To: mgist

2008:

OBama 69,297,997
McCain: 59,597,520

2012

Obama: 54,773,837
Romney 53,716,689

Looks like a whole lot of voters stayed home.


13 posted on 11/07/2012 6:11:23 AM PST by DownInFlames
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To: mgist

Republicans are dying out as the the WWII generation ebbs away and they are not being replaced in equal numbers.


14 posted on 11/07/2012 6:11:34 AM PST by kabar
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To: TexasFreeper2009

From my perspectives conservatives were fired up. Early voting polling results reported much higher amounts of Republicans at early voting, the DEM numbers were significantly down, Independents were breaking for Romney, the Romney political rallies were full. Early voting and election day the lines were endless in Florida.

It simply doesn’t make sense that after all the added unemployment and government abuse, that suddenly 3 Million conservatives were simply not interested in voting in 2012, but voted in 2008.


15 posted on 11/07/2012 6:12:23 AM PST by mgist
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To: The Sons of Liberty
The MSM will tell you anything you want to hear in order to convince you that Obama won......just like Chavez won.

This thread is an excellent example of why the people don't march on Washington and why NOTHING will change.

16 posted on 11/07/2012 6:13:56 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (My faith and politics cannot be separated)
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To: DownInFlames
Those figures are outdated as the counting of votes continues. It is now Obama 59,631,249 votes compared to Romney's 57,000,976 votes.

Yes, a lot of voters stayed home but far more stayed home for Obama than Romney.

17 posted on 11/07/2012 6:15:53 AM PST by kabar
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To: RightGeek

I confess that I did not vote for Romney.I couldn’t see myself casting a vote for another liberal. But, the GOP could have run Reagan or Goldwater and it would not have mattered. Free birth control and food stamps won the day


18 posted on 11/07/2012 6:16:49 AM PST by LMAO ("Begging hands and Bleeding hearts will only cry out for more"...Anthem from Rush)
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To: The Sons of Liberty
I’ve heard that “Evangelicals” stayed home. I guess they’d rather have a muslim than a Mormon.

Bingo. The purists re-elected the Muslim.

19 posted on 11/07/2012 6:16:49 AM PST by joesbucks
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To: The Sons of Liberty
I’ve heard that “Evangelicals” stayed home. I guess they’d rather have a muslim than a Mormon.

Bingo. The purists re-elected the Muslim by sitting out.

20 posted on 11/07/2012 6:16:58 AM PST by joesbucks
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To: mgist

But but..............the biased press says it’s TRUE! You believe them....................don’t you?


21 posted on 11/07/2012 6:16:58 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (My faith and politics cannot be separated)
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To: ubaldus

I think you are right and it was the conservatives who stayed home. His Excellency’s vote was far less than it was in 08 while the RR vote was somewhat less than McLames. Issues were the same so it was not issue oriented. Voter apathy stonger among conservatives perhaps because they feel no matter which, it is 4 years of the same or similar...not the fork in the road candidate we needed. Now would the RINOs have voted for the enigma? I doubt it so IMO had the conservatives turned out as strong as 08 when admittedly their vote was down there also, we would have had a different outcome.


22 posted on 11/07/2012 6:17:28 AM PST by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
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To: mgist

The purists sat out the election.


23 posted on 11/07/2012 6:18:30 AM PST by joesbucks
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To: headstamp 2
Voter alienation. They figure they can’t change anything anymore so don’t bother voting.

A direct result of John Boehner and his blithering ineffectiveness.


24 posted on 11/07/2012 6:19:18 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: mgist

Where you been? Many Freepers have been telling this board for months that we were staying home if Romney was the nominee.

Now you’re all surprised?


25 posted on 11/07/2012 6:19:56 AM PST by delapaz
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To: TexasFreeper2009
face it, many conservatives stayed home again, because conservatism wasn’t on the ballot.

It's a good thing these "conservatives" won't be subject to ObamaCare, or have trouble finding medical help when 60% of doctors retire, or pay higher tax rates, or pay for more abortions, or be subject to Supreme Court rulings with Obama's future appointments. Whew, they really dodged a bullet!
26 posted on 11/07/2012 6:20:21 AM PST by DaveInDallas
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To: Paradox

There is a rule of politics that massive negative ads by both sides are neutral but have the effect of lowering turnout.

That may be a part of the hidden story of 2012.


27 posted on 11/07/2012 6:20:44 AM PST by cgbg (HLM--"Democracy is the theory that people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard.")
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To: DaveInDallas

Or maybe we thought that there was little difference between RomneyCare or ObamaCare, so why bother?

The GOP could have made Healthcare a salient issue for this election but decided not to when they put up Romney.


28 posted on 11/07/2012 6:23:06 AM PST by delapaz
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To: mgist

Yes but again as I pointed out in another thread, McCain’s extra votes were probably coming from the south and already deep red states thanks to Palin. In reality even with more votes McCain lost more states and lost by a larger margin in places like Fl, VA, and OH.


29 posted on 11/07/2012 6:25:44 AM PST by snarkytart
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To: mgist

Just like you, I find that this makes no sense. How did a tired old man (McCain) attract more votes after four years of chaos...when I apply Occam’s Razor to the question the unpleasant possibility is that we have three million more formerly productive people relying on government largesse due to the the shrinking private sector. Knowing what the administration is capable of, I am open to seeing evidence of massive fraud (’by any means necessary’). Honestly, though, I think that our DWTS nation is pretty comfortable in it’s current decline.


30 posted on 11/07/2012 6:25:55 AM PST by dogcaller
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To: dogcaller

It makes perfect sense. McCain, as sad as he was, was always better on social conservative issues in his history. Romney was just an all around awful candidate for conservatives.

We told them this over and over and over again.


31 posted on 11/07/2012 6:28:18 AM PST by delapaz
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To: delapaz
so why bother?

Ask yourself that in 4 years after Obama's latest term ends, or in 20 years after Obama's last Supreme Court justice retires.
32 posted on 11/07/2012 6:28:44 AM PST by DaveInDallas
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To: RightGeek

Turnout was up at my precinct but down considerably countywide (My county still went to Romney)


33 posted on 11/07/2012 6:29:11 AM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

The life of our country was on the line - I believe the “christians” sat on their hands. “I ain’t voting for no steenkin’ Mormon”. Good job - go read your bible look up something about reaping what you sow - off to my pity party.

Oh and sorry Israel, you’re on your own. Don’t worry “christians”, their just steekin’ joos.


34 posted on 11/07/2012 6:30:08 AM PST by Tunehead54 (Nothing funny here ;-)
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To: joesbucks

Conservatives who didn’t vote for Romney on principle, aided Obama’s reelection.

They have that right, but it’s like painting the kitchen while the house is still on fire.

I wish our side would be more practical and vote to elect the candidate of the two that MOST represents your values. That’s how the Dems keep winning.


35 posted on 11/07/2012 6:30:08 AM PST by trublu
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To: dogcaller

The “tired old man” had Palin, she got a lot of the GOP voters to the polls. Now, perhaps she got a lot of Dem voters to the polls as well, so it’s hard to gauge her net effect, but clearly she contributed a lot to McCain’s total.

Romney was not a good candidate, and Ryan did absolutely nothing for him as well. In 2004 W got 62 million votes. Adjusting for demographic trends, it would translate to 65-66 million votes today. Romney got 58.5 million at most.

He left 6-7 million GOP voters sitting at home, and no wonder.


36 posted on 11/07/2012 6:30:49 AM PST by ubaldus
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To: DaveInDallas

Next time maybe we’ll get an actual conservative.

Bush gave us John Roberts so that didn’t work out too well did it?


37 posted on 11/07/2012 6:31:19 AM PST by delapaz
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To: mgist

Let me help you with that: Palin fantastically enthused the base so that millions more voted for her ticket than they did for the charisma- and issues-limited Romney and Ryan.


38 posted on 11/07/2012 6:31:39 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: mgist
64 million voted for "W" in 2004! This was predicted over a year ago right here on Free Republic.

Still, there are nearly 100 million people who would easily vote Republican if they all went to the polls, but a large number of them simply don't vote, or they vote selectively.

First guy to get bit by the phenomenon was George Bush (papa) when he lied to people about NO NEW TAXES then went along with a Democrat tax increase. Now the Democrats have found out about this TWO NATIONAL ELECTIONS IN A ROW. Obama still holds the turnout record he set in 2008. But in 2010 30 million Democrats who'd voted in 2008 just stayed home. This time it looks like maybe 10 million Democrats just stayed home!

Those are huge numbers of voters to exhibit such behavior!

39 posted on 11/07/2012 6:32:08 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: headstamp 2
I agree but I think the indifference is much worse. I am management for a company that employs a little over 50 people. We just got over some extremely difficult times where we, as a company were about to go under. If not for a capital investor stepping in and completely turning us around, my our company would no longer exist.

Over the last two months we have interviewed 15 people in hopes of once again starting to expand our numbers to pre-economic collapse;(approx 135). However we could do nothing in terms of hiring until after the election.. Obamacare is going to impact us greatly. In short, we are now looking at hiring 2 of those individuals due to them being prime candidates for a new Dept. we are starting, and unfortunately looking at laying off 2 members of the work force to offset this. We have also, over the last two months, contemplated 32 hour work weeks and have done some trial runs with volunteers under the guise of a decreased work load.

My point is every step of the way our president, who is very politically outspoken, had not only been straight forward with management, but also the workforce on what this election could mean.

The result??? A quick walk through of the facility and some chit chat yesterday indicated exactly SIX people were planning to vote. Less than 10% of people who KNEW this election would have a guaranteed impact on their jobs. This in the state of PA. by the way.

What can you possibly due in the face of that kind of indifference?

40 posted on 11/07/2012 6:34:12 AM PST by NImerc
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To: RightGeek

With the conservative base aging, the influx of immigrants, and young people being indoctrinated as liberals, we have become a center-left country.


41 posted on 11/07/2012 6:35:00 AM PST by trublu
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To: The Sons of Liberty

That was what CNN was saying when looking at exit polling data in VA. Evangelicals stayed home and then we have to ask, how many are left in this morally corrupt country to make a difference anyway?


42 posted on 11/07/2012 6:35:15 AM PST by snarkytart
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To: DJ MacWoW

Here’s a video of a voting machine expert (court testimony) who explains how votes can be manipulated on the voting machines. “The central tabulator’s data is extremely easy to manipulate”...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=US&hl=en&client=mv-google&v=IFY1iwE2qzI&feature=youtu.be&nomobile=1

For example, a WiFi or Bluetooth card can be hidden within the computer underneath the motherboard to remotely manipulate large numbers of votes. Or someone can also manually upload large amounts of votes multiple times (reloading memory cards multiple times in a precinct / while destroying the paper trail at precincts).

If democrats believed all the news stories of Republicans “stealing the election”, they would have no problems tampering with votes on their side.


43 posted on 11/07/2012 6:35:26 AM PST by jq2
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To: trublu

The message we are sending to the GOP-E:

Nominate a conservative or we sit on our hands. We’re not bluffing.

Get pissed off if you want, tell us we’re screwing over the country, tell us we’re helping Obama, I don’t give a crap.

But I am NOT voting for a liberal no matter whose party ID he happens to be wearing.


44 posted on 11/07/2012 6:35:44 AM PST by delapaz
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To: joesbucks
As many Evangelicals showed up to vote this time as in 2008. What's missing are NEW VOTERS with the enthusiasm of the recent convert. They didn't showup. They don't exist. Once Romney got the nomination and had let everybody know nobody was going to play a part in anything meaningful in the direction of his super choreographed campaign, no one bothered to get more new voters lined up.

In the end just about as many people, Evangelicals included, voted for Romney as voted for McCain!

The blame must be accepted by the GOP-e and their feckless campaign analysts. They really screwed up.

45 posted on 11/07/2012 6:37:33 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: DownInFlames

Yep ..both candidates had less (Obama had a lot less so it’s true people were less enthused about him but didn’t turn to Romney, instead stayed home). Romney picked up two more states than McCain and was closer in OH, and VA than McCain.


46 posted on 11/07/2012 6:37:48 AM PST by snarkytart
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To: ubaldus
He left 6-7 million GOP voters sitting at home, and no wonder.

And now those 7 million (along with the rest of us) are left with the expected result of that inaction...4 more years of Obama and a Democrat stranglehold on the Senate. The Dems hope that conservatives vote/not vote on pure principal in 2016 too. It's making it easy for them.

47 posted on 11/07/2012 6:39:30 AM PST by trublu
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To: mgist

Its over. You sohould see the comments on my facebook page - we are heading to communism.

“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, followed always by a dictatorship. The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations has been 200 years.”
~ Alexander Fraser Tytler, Scottish-born British lawyer and writer, 1747 - 1813.


48 posted on 11/07/2012 6:39:36 AM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: delapaz
Next time maybe we’ll get an actual conservative.

Socialism wasn't implemented in this country overnight, it's taken decades. Rolling it back will likely take just as long. Block-headed "conservatives" who sat out last night did nothing but help liberals get elected. How did abortion get reduced last night? Taxes? How did conservatives help avoid the creation of a "Secretary of Business" last night?
49 posted on 11/07/2012 6:39:49 AM PST by DaveInDallas
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To: delapaz

With all due respect, that THRILLS the DNC.


50 posted on 11/07/2012 6:41:43 AM PST by trublu
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