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2012 LIVE Official Recriminations Thread I
11/7/2012 | Sam PAine

Posted on 11/07/2012 4:28:34 AM PST by sam_paine

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To: sam_paine; Alberta's Child; Skylab; tsowellfan; ari-freedom; AnAmericanAbroad; All

There is a very strong group of conservatives coming around in 2016, like Paul Ryan, Mike Pence, Bobby Jindal,
Bob McDonnell, Jeb Bush (just kidding) and many other strong republican Governors.

This election was never going to be easy, especially with a complicit media not reporting on any that would make 0bama look bad.

First thing to do is heavily support voter ID laws in your states, this is where all of the fraud happens - if we don’t then elections will never matter again.


121 posted on 11/07/2012 6:00:34 AM PST by PMAS (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing)
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To: BlatherNaut; GOPsterinMA; fieldmarshaldj; sickoflibs

Hilary will look like the Crypt Keeper in 2016.

The shallow American robots will not elect an ugly or a fatty to the Black House. The last fatty was Taft (a good President). An old lady? Never. The first woman President will be FINE (or more likely we will never have one). So you can cross off that hideous crone Liz Warren as well.

Hilary and Christine Christie can forgot about 2016. I make that prediction now.

Biden is a clown.

Rat nominee in 2016, Awful White boy Maryland Governor O’Malley or BLOOMBERG. That’s my early early prediction.

Obama’s reelection doesn’t really alter the 2016 rat landscape.


122 posted on 11/07/2012 6:00:49 AM PST by Impy (Boehner for President - 2013)
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To: sam_paine

Yup. A majority of Americans pay no taxes. They’re happy to collect their benefits and let the rich pay for him.

There is no cost to Obama and no pain personally for them. And why change things?


123 posted on 11/07/2012 6:02:31 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: sam_paine

It’s been said that the best form of government might be a benevolent dictatorship.

Benevolent in our society today is filling outstretched hands with free stuff.


124 posted on 11/07/2012 6:07:37 AM PST by RetSignman ("A Republic if you can keep it"....)
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To: sam_paine

It’s been said that the best form of government might be a benevolent dictatorship.

Benevolent in our society today is filling outstretched hands with free stuff.


125 posted on 11/07/2012 6:08:32 AM PST by RetSignman ("A Republic if you can keep it"....)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

Where do I sign up?


126 posted on 11/07/2012 6:11:16 AM PST by luvie (All my heroes wear camos!)
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To: sam_paine
The entire world has moved left.

America has embraced and reaffirmed Socialism.

The GOP shoved a flaming liberal upon us.

Freerepublic abandoned conservatism and embraced said flaming liberal.

This is what playing party politics gets you. This is what compromise tastes like, feet and crow and fail.

Party politics is not conservatism, in fact the GOP has done its damnedest to kill conservatism and should be punished accordingly.

Make no mistake, the GOP did this to you.

The GOP embraced liberalism and this is the result.

The GOP needs to die so that conservatism may live, it is our last hope.

127 posted on 11/07/2012 6:14:02 AM PST by Manic_Episode (Some days...it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps....)
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To: GOPsterinMA

Before giving up on 99.9% of my liberal friends, I argued with them until I’m blue in the face. While none of them would admit to ever seeking an abortion for themselves, they fear that without the abortion choice, their daughters and granddaughters could become second class citizens. They want the “choice” to be theirs and not other’s belief’s taking their decisions from them.

Once that genie was let out of the bottle with Roe v Wade, I have now realized it will never be put back into the bottle. Women are not going to allow it to happen and will defend it at the detriment of all else. Yesterday’s vote has convinced me.

As I said, they are stupid.


128 posted on 11/07/2012 6:14:51 AM PST by publana (Beware the olive branch extended by a Dem for it disguises a clenched fist.)
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To: Alberta's Child

Florida’s immigrants are Cuban. There’s a big difference. They are Conservative. You are correct about Virginia.

We do need to get the Hispanic vote, but I don’t see that happening as we have no freebies to offer. They love their freebies although they are Conservative at heart.


129 posted on 11/07/2012 6:20:55 AM PST by publana (Beware the olive branch extended by a Dem for it disguises a clenched fist.)
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To: Impy; BlatherNaut; fieldmarshaldj; sickoflibs

“Hilary will look like the Crypt Keeper in 2016.”

She already does.

“Rat nominee in 2016, Awful White boy Maryland Governor O’Malley or BLOOMBERG. That’s my early early prediction.”

And either of them will win.


130 posted on 11/07/2012 6:21:26 AM PST by GOPsterinMA
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To: sam_paine
We built up our hopes based on the Rasmussen and Gallup party ID numbers, and constructed a plausible theory that the other polls were wrong. But Rasmussen and Gallup were wrong. Hence a letdown. But it doesn't really change the political situation. The math is what it always was. Our rose colored glasses got shattered, that's all.

We are a civic party facing an opponent that consists largely of "what's in it for me" parasites and looters, led by a class of government functionaries and employees. There is no vision of the public good or sense of patriotism about any of this; the glue that holds the dems together is a sense of entitlement and grievance directed by a propaganda machine that relentlessly sells identity politics.

We have to find wedge issues that split democrat constituencies apart, and that draw selfish voters into a broader sense of the public good. I think school choice is such an issue; inner city black parents are among its biggest supporters. Retirement security is another; when the issue is properly presented, anyone brighter than a cabbage favors fully funded vs. pay as you go pension systems. ("Brighter than a cabbage" disqualifies a significant part of the dem base, but a sizeable minority are educable on this.) Entrepreneurialism should be an attraction to hispanics, as well as to a growing number of next-generation black folks who are able to see the bankruptcy of the welfare culture.

Healthcare is tougher, but unless the courts somehow intervene, Obamacare is going to lead to a fairly rapid deterioration in standards and availability of medical care. That will lead to more opportunities. In the long term, Obama will have cleared the way to real reform by destroying the increasingly dysfunctional hybrid system that had evolved since the 1960's. The feds now own health care lock, stock, and barrel, and every complaint about health care now hangs around democrat necks. The path to health care recovery is similar to school choice; give people vouchers to escape a dysfunctional government system.

The battle continues. Across the board, I would stress individual autonomy and personal choice vs. bureaucratic control. This isn't a new idea. 30 years ago, Newt Gringrich, Dick Army, Bob Walker, and other noisy backbenchers were driving Tip O'Neil crazy with one-minutes about "the conservative opportunity society." Newt's formulation morphed into "Renewing American Civilization." Bush 43 called it the "ownership society." These are themes that resonate with a lot of people, and especially young people, whenever we are able to separate them from a party label. And they are the right direction for the country to go. We are about to scrape bottom on the brain-dead, fiscally bankrupt, and politically corrupt nanny state model, so we had better start planning the rebound now.

131 posted on 11/07/2012 6:25:50 AM PST by sphinx
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To: publana

Probably all the Mexicans I work with voted for obama. They have their food stamps and iPhones to protect, ya know!


132 posted on 11/07/2012 6:26:21 AM PST by luvie (All my heroes wear camos!)
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To: GOPsterinMA

Bloomberg could spend over a billion of his own money.

Funny how all these billionaire a-holes are big liberals.


133 posted on 11/07/2012 6:30:53 AM PST by Impy (Boehner for President - 2013)
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To: publana

100% agree.

Well stated!


134 posted on 11/07/2012 6:38:22 AM PST by GOPsterinMA
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To: GOPsterinMA; fieldmarshaldj; publana; sickoflibs; BillyBoy; NFHale; Arthur Wildfire! March
one thing really puzzles me: Many of these idiotic American women sit with aged and malfunctioning reproductive systems, yet ABORTION seems to be the first, last and only priority in their “lives”.Thoughts on that?

I've got nothing. It makes no sense. But the thought processes of even nice normal women still make no sense to me. ;) Women think differently than men.

I saw something on the huff post by some liberal woman after the first debate: ROMNEY LOST THE DEBATE WITH WOMEN, IT'S NOT A PRIZEFIGHT.

I do (and I think most men) compare debates to fights. Seems natural, I noticed everyone did it. And Obama got beat up bad and was disqualifed for biting Romney's ear.

But I guess chicks saw it different.

Don't mean to offend any ladies reading.

135 posted on 11/07/2012 6:42:01 AM PST by Impy (Boehner for President - 2013)
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To: Impy

Yep and yep.


136 posted on 11/07/2012 6:44:01 AM PST by GOPsterinMA
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To: Impy; publana; All
See publana’s reply, #128 of this thread for an excellent explanation.
137 posted on 11/07/2012 6:51:16 AM PST by GOPsterinMA
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To: sam_paine

Sure glad that I didn’t put any money on Intrade@!


138 posted on 11/07/2012 6:56:36 AM PST by CPT Clay (Follow me on Twitter @Clay N TX)
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To: sam_paine

Ohio is as corrupt as Cook County. Don’t ever look to that state for a close win. Work around it.


139 posted on 11/07/2012 7:06:56 AM PST by Thebaddog (Remember, Obama said he's only 60% done with his agenda.)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

>Where’s Dick Morris......you know, Mr. “GOP/Romney tsunami” Morris?<

As soon as he said that, I knew we were doomed.


140 posted on 11/07/2012 7:08:04 AM PST by Califreak (11/6/12 The Day America Divided By Zero)
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