Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

How Sandy turned into a superstorm
NBC news ^ | 10/29/2012 | Alan Boyle

Posted on 10/31/2012 12:57:33 AM PDT by kathsua

Hurricane Sandy is posing a monster challenge for weather forecasters and emergency agencies, due to an amazing combination of meteorological factors, but what's just as amazing is how well they've been able to predict what seemed to be an unpredictable disaster.

"It looks like we've been fairly consistent on this, even five days out," Chris Landsea, science and operations officer at the National Hurricane Center in Miami, told me today. "I think when all is said and done, on the track forecast, we're going to be quite accurate."

Sandy's path, which took a left turn from the Atlantic to slam head-on into the heavily populated Northeast, is just one of the unusual aspects of this storm. "The size of this system, the late-season nature, and the track — all these are fairly unique characteristics," Landsea said. To look for precedents, you have to go back to infamous hurricanes such as Agnes in 1972, Hazel in 1954, even the great storms of 1944, 1938, 1815 and 1804. But today, the region is so much more populous and developed that the impact is certain to be far greater.

(Excerpt) Read more at cosmiclog.nbcnews.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: hurricanesandy; nao; superstorm
And he doesn't blame it on global warming.
1 posted on 10/31/2012 12:57:41 AM PDT by kathsua
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: kathsua
"I think when all is said and done, on the track forecast, we're going to be quite accurate."

ROTFLMAO! Maybe if it was the Euro Model I would believe it. Out government failed big time once again. Tasked with our dollars they failed big time!
2 posted on 10/31/2012 1:09:16 AM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: PA Engineer

It was odd how the GFS flopped around like a fish and finally, grudgingly, followed the Euro. The problem wasn’t forecasting Sandy which is not very hard but forecasting the upper trough and short wave that ultimately pivoted Sandy to the west (which would have caused a nor’easter without Sandy).


3 posted on 10/31/2012 1:50:26 AM PDT by palmer (Jim, please bill me 50 cents for this completely useless post)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: PA Engineer

Maybe you can help me out here, but I’m having a heck of a time understanding why they waited until the water shorted out power substations to shut them down. With historical surge/flooding data, you’d think they’d have pulled the plug before things got shorted out. Or is it a wash, cost wise to replace equipment either way?


4 posted on 10/31/2012 1:51:32 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: kathsua

How is a lowly CAT 1 Hurricane a ‘superstorm’?

Answer: because it hit New York.

But those CAT 4 and CAT 5 storms that wreak havoc across red states? The media doesn’t care because their feet are still dry.


5 posted on 10/31/2012 2:06:58 AM PDT by agere_contra ("Government creates nothing" - Romney, 2012)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: agere_contra

Exactly, I’ve been through multiple storms stronger than this one.


6 posted on 10/31/2012 3:13:02 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: agere_contra
How is a lowly CAT 1 Hurricane a ‘superstorm’?

To use a professional term...because it's F'n huge!


7 posted on 10/31/2012 3:53:04 AM PDT by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: agere_contra; All
"But those CAT 4 and CAT 5 storms that wreak havoc across red states?
The media doesn’t care because their feet are still dry. "
*snickering*.. quote of the thread. :-D
sitting in a house cold, dark and soggy wet..
and no internet/tv, TMZ & only
you & your aging boy-toy w/you.

8 posted on 10/31/2012 4:13:39 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Anger a Conservative by telling a lie; Anger a Liberal by telling the truth. - RWR 8-)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: hattend
beautiful, but deadly picture. :-0

9 posted on 10/31/2012 4:16:18 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Anger a Conservative by telling a lie; Anger a Liberal by telling the truth. - RWR 8-)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: kathsua

So of course the government hailed as “the rescue” of everyone in its path was closed the day people needed help the most. The whitehouse website gives websites for people to go to when their power goes out.


10 posted on 10/31/2012 4:47:35 AM PDT by InvisibleChurch (the mature Christian is almost impossible to offend)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Smokin' Joe
Maybe you can help me out here, but I’m having a heck of a time understanding why they waited until the water shorted out power substations to shut them down. With historical surge/flooding data, you’d think they’d have pulled the plug before things got shorted out. Or is it a wash, cost wise to replace equipment either way?

I don't know and that is a good question. I know they did shut off part of their distribution system, but why they let the smoke out of the other parts is something I don't think they want to answer right now.
11 posted on 10/31/2012 7:53:51 AM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: hattend
That appears to be a false image. Unless we have a space ship traveling a good distance away from the Earth right now, there is no way that image was taken directly. It is a constructed approximation.

To analyze why Sandy appeared so large in more accurately constructed images, its west end was getting peeled off by the cold front and sent north. Notice the big long cloud that curves upward and goes to eastern Canada. That is the cold front. Those clouds were no longer part of the Hurricane. There were traveling the opposite direction the hurricane was traveling in that area. That long cold front cloud mass was traveling south to north. The west end of Sandy was moving north to south. Looks like Al Gore constructed that Hurricane image with a crayon.

12 posted on 10/31/2012 9:51:32 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: justa-hairyape
It's a sector shot taken from GOES 13 (EAST) in geosynch orbit. 23K miles up.

http://goes.gsfc.nasa.gov/

GOES satellite monitors the western hemisphere.

Why would I try to fake you out?

Here is the full image taken yesterday, not necessarily the same time frame

13 posted on 10/31/2012 1:42:22 PM PDT by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: hattend
Have seen numerous doctored images in the past. Fairly obvious that they expanded the hurricane cloud image size on those. That was when they were trying to state the Cat 1 and Cat 2 hurricanes were getting bigger. Obviously they could not point to the increased number of Cat 4 and Cat 5 landfalls, because we have not had any on the continental US in a record number of days. It was easy to determine the doctored images just by looking at the cloud structure size and compare that to the size of the underlying area imaged. They always forgot to adjust cloud structure size based on area size.

As stated before, that long tail of clouds is where the jet stream was flowing and it was the cold front. Those clouds were moving south to north the entire time Hurricane Sandy was still a Hurricane. So to include them in an image and insinuate they are part of a counterclockwise rotating hurricane, is misleading and deceptive. What you are looking at now is not Hurricane Sandy, which never left the sea except during her flyover of the Bahamas.

If that is a true image, and that requires a close examination of cloud structure size compared to underlying geographic area, then the systems have combined. That is 2-3 days beyond Hurricane and a new hybrid. That long tail however was never part of Sandy before it weakened to Tropical and made landfall. That was the original cold front which also was stripping off and incorporating the western end of Sandy. The cold front itself leading up to landfall was driven by the Jet Stream, which is very powerful. Basically Sandy had no back side we she landed as a strong Tropical system. And now that the cold front has taken over, it stopped being a tropical system 1-2 days ago.

14 posted on 10/31/2012 8:21:23 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson