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Ottoman Empire carried out the Genocide and the German side provided the ideological support
Amenpress ^ | October 25, 2012

Posted on 10/26/2012 6:04:54 AM PDT by Righting

The Ottoman Empire carried out the Genocide and the German side provided the ideological support. Armenpress.am-Oct 25, 2012 The Germans could prevent the Genocide, as the Turkish army was in

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: armeniangenocide; assyrians; attaturk; genocide; germans; greeks; islamofascism; kemalists; ottomans; turkey; youngturks
Islamic Ottoman and Kemalis/Young Turks geocode of Christians: between 2.7 million and over 3.5 million

Sources for figure 2.7 million:

RELIGIOUS PERSECUTION IN THE MIDDLE EAST; FACES OF ...

[Senate Hearing 105-352]
[From the U.S. Government Printing Office ]
S. Hrg. 105-352
RELIGIOUS PERSECUTION IN THE MIDDLE EAST; FACES OF THE PERSECUTED
HEARINGS BEFORE THE   SUBCOMMITTEE ON NEAR EASTERN AND SOUTH ASIAN AFFAIRS OF THE  COMMITTEE ON FOREIGN RELATIONS
UNITED STATES SENATE ONE HUNDRED FIFTH CONGRESS
 FIRST SESSION
May 1 and June 10, 1997
Printed for the use of the Committee on Foreign Relations
U.S. GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE
40-890 CC     WASHINGTON : 1998
[...]
Christians of the Near East are the indigenous inhabitants of the 
countries of the region. Their Christianity was not imported by Western 
colonial movements or missionaries. In most parts of the Near East the 
Christian culture predates the expansion of the Islamic empire by seven 
centuries. Today that population, now a minority in all countries of 
the Near East, is at risk of extinction. The ministry, Open Doors, has 
reported dramatic changes in the Christian population of the Middle 
East since 1900. In 1900, the average Christian percentage of the 
general population in the countries of the Near East was over 20%. 
Today it is only 7%. The most dramatic changes have occurred in Turkey. 
Here the Christian population has dropped from 22% to .15% due to this 
century's first genocide in which 1.5 million Armenians and 750,000 
Assyrians lost their lives in 1918. Today Turkey has a secular 
constitution, but it has recently begun to feel the pressure of 
Islamists to return to an Islamic law based society. In Lebanon, the 
only country with a Christian majority population prior to 1980, the 
Christians comprised 67% of the population at the beginning of the 
century. Today it is 40%. In the Holy Land, the Christian population is 
estimated to be 125,000 or 1.8% of the population of Israel as compared 
to 2.3 million Muslims or 34.3% of the population. In every country of 
the Near East the Christian population has decreased.
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CHRG-105shrg40890/html/CHRG-105shrg40890.htm

Sweden: Parliament Approves Resolution on Armenian Genocide 
www.loc.gov › ... › News & Events
16 Mar 2010 – According to an Assyrian news agency, 1.5 million Armenians, 750,000 Assyrians, and 500,000 Greeks died as a result of the genocide.
http://www.loc.gov/lawweb/servlet/lloc_news?disp3_l205401871_text

Conference on Assyrian Genocide to Be Held in Armenia
23 Mar 2012 – It is estimated that 750,000 Assyrians were killed in World War one (75%), 500,000 Greeks and 1.5 million Armenians. The conference, titled Assyrian Genocide (1914-1923) and its Consequences in the Modern World, ...
http://www.aina.org/news/20120323114901.htm

Assyrian Universal Alliance (AUA) - Australia Region. August 16, 2012.
Member, Unrepresented Nations and Peoples Organization (UNPO)
[...]
“Millions of indigenous ethnic souls perished as a result of the savagery of the Ottoman Turks. As a result of this genocide, the Assyrians lost all their territories within the borders of modern Turkey. At least 750,000 Assyrians, 1.5 million Armenians and 500,000 Greeks from the Pontos region and many others were exterminated in unbelievable horror scenes of massacres and deportations, and hundreds of thousands of children and women were abducted and forced into Turkification and Islamisation,” said Mr. Shahen.
http://www.atour.com/news/national/20120816a.html

Turkish High School History Book Portrays Assyrians as Traitors
5 Oct 2011 – It frames World War I as a breaking point in which Assyrians betrayed and stabbed the country in the back by cooperating ... It is estimated that 750,000 Assyrians were killed (75%), 500,000 Greeks and 1.5 million Armenians.
http://www.helleniccomserve.com/ainaturkishtextbookmalignsassyrians.html

UNPO: Assyria: Friendship Group Discusses Syria Situation

16 Aug 2012 – At least 750,000 Assyrians, 1.5 million Armenians and 500,000 Greeks from the Pontos region and many others were exterminated in ...
http://www.unpo.org/article/14714

Encyclopedia of Transnational Crime and Justice - Page 163
Margaret E. Beare - SAGE, Apr 26, 2012 - Law - 544 pages
During World War I, the Turks of the Ottoman Empire engaged in the genocide of the Assyrian people. It is estimated that 750,000 Assyrians were killed or deported. During and after World War I, ... It is estimated that several hundred thousand Greeks died. Also during World War I, ... It is estimated that approximately one and a half million Armenians were slaughtered or deported. The Turkish government ...
http://books.google.com/books?id=88ywsltbrWQC&pg=PA163

Review of Armenian studies - Volume 5, Issues 13-16 - Page 65
ASAM Institute for Armenian Research - 2007
It was stipulated that this monument represented not only the Armenian genocide allegations, but also all genocide victims and ... for "750.000 Assyrian, 400.000 Greek and 1.500.000 Armenian victims of genocide perpetrated by the Turks".
http://books.google.com/books?&id=fSkMAQAAMAA&q=750.000+Assyrian#search_anchor

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Sources for the figure (over) 3.5 million:

Congressional Record - Page 6104
Congress
Congressional Record-House April 24, 2001
... Unfortunately there wee others included in this massacre, including- Assyrians and Pontic Greeks, bringing' the number to well over 3.5 million lost lives.
http://books.google.com/books?id=1WwUNltj0BQC&pg=PA6104

Notes on the Genocides of Christian Populations of the Ottoman Empire

Submitted in support of a resolution recognizing the Armenian, Assyrian, and Pontic and Anatolian Greek genocides of 1914-23, presented to the membership of the International Association of Genocide Scholars (IAGS), 2007.

Ottoman Genocide against Christian Minorities: General Comments and Sources

"It is believed that in Turkey between 1913 and 1922, under the successive regimes of the Young Turks and of Mustafa Kemal (Ataturk), more than 3.5 million Armenian, Assyrian and Greek Christians were massacred in a state-organized and state-sponsored campaign of destruction and genocide, aiming at wiping out from the emerging Turkish Republic its native Christian populations. This Christian Holocaust is viewed as the precursor to the Jewish Holocaust in WWII. To this day, the Turkish government ostensibly denies having committed this genocide."
— Prof. Israel Charney, President of the IAGS

"Turks admit that the Armenian persecution is the first step in a plan to get rid of Christians, and that Greeks would come next. ... Turkey henceforth is to be for Turks alone."
— Peter Balakian, The Burning Tigris, quoting the New York Times, September 14, 1915.

"While the death toll in the trenches of Western Europe were close to 2 million by the summer of 1915, the extermination of innocent civilians in Turkey (the Armenians, but also Syrian and Assyrian Christians and large portions of the Greek population, especially the Greeks of Pontos, or Black Sea region) was reaching 1 million."
— Peter Balakian, The Burning Tigris, p. 285-286.
http://www.genocidetext.net/iags_resolution_supporting_documentation.htm

Genocide (Armenia and Assyria) - United Kingdom Parliament
7 Jun 2006 : Column 130WH
Genocide (Armenia and Assyria)
3.57 pm
Stephen Pound (Ealing, North) (Lab): It is a pleasure to appear before you this afternoon, Mr. Cook, and a particular honour that my right hon. Friend the Minister for Europe will be responding for the Government. Few Ministers, if any, know more about the subject and I could not have chosen a better Minister to respond.

I start with a minor point. The subject of this Adjournment debate appears on the Order Paper as “Genocide in Armenia and Assyria”. I am not seeking to apportion blame, but that is not the title that was submitted. The original title was “Recognition of the genocide of Armenians and Assyrians”. It would be obvious to you, Mr. Cook, and to many people, that to talk about genocide in Armenia, a country that has existed in its present form for a comparatively short time, and Assyria, a country that might have a millennia-old history but is not recognised in international boundaries, would be superfluous.

I wish to speak about the incidents in the then Ottoman empire, particularly in the spring of and throughout 1915, that led, I hope indisputably, to the planned, calculated genocide of the Christian community, which consisted principally of Armenians, Assyrians and Greeks. I shall seek to persuade my right hon. Friend that the time has finally come for Her Majesty’s Government to join so many other countries, Parliaments and legislatures in recognising the genocide that occurred in that year.

I hope that it will be comparatively uncontentious to state a few basic facts. One and a half million Armenian residents of the former Ottoman empire died between 1915 and 1923 as a result of calculated genocide. I hope that it is not contentious to say that 3.5 million of the historic Christian population of Assyrians, Armenians and Greeks then living in the Ottoman empire had been murdered—starved to death or slaughtered—or exiled by 1923. I hope that those are not contentious points. I hope that no one would seek to deny that the process started on 24 April 1915 in Constantinople, where 1,000 Armenians were identified, taken from their homes and murdered. I hope that it is not contentious to reaffirm that 300,000 Armenian males were then conscripted into the Turkish army, unarmed and then murdered, and that death marches into the Syrian desert took place.
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200506/cmhansrd/vo060607/halltext/60607h0009.htm

(British MP Raises the Issue of the Genocide of Armenian, Assyrian and Greek Christians in the UK House of Commons
London, 20 June 2006—Steve Pound, a distinguished Labour MP for North Ealing, London, has recently raised for discussion in the House of Commons the issue of the Genocide of Turkey's Armenian, Assyrian and Greek Christians and called the British Government to formally recognize it.
"I wish to speak about the incidents in the then Ottoman empire, particularly in the spring of and throughout 1915, that led, I hope indisputably, to the planned, calculated genocide of the Christian community, which consisted principally of Armenians, Assyrians and Greeks. I shall seek to persuade that the time has finally come for Her Majesty's Government to join so many other countries, Parliaments and legislatures in recognising the genocide that occurred in that year... I hope that it is not contentious to say that 3.5 million of the historic Christian population of Assyrians, Armenians and Greeks then living in the Ottoman Empire had been murdered-starved to death or slaughtered-or exiled by 1923," Mr. Pound pointed out.
http://www.genocidewatch.org/images/Turkey_20_Jun_06_British_MP_Raises_the_Issue_of_the_Genocide_of_Armenian,_Assyrian_and_Greek_Christians_in_the_UK_House_of_Commons.pdf)

The Genocide of Ottoman Greeks, 1914-1923 | Neos Kosmos
24 Sep 2012 – A total of more than 3.5 million Greeks, Armenians, and Assyrians were killed under the successive regimes of the Young Turks and of Mustafa Kemal from...
http://neoskosmos.com/news/en/the-genocide-of-ottoman-greeks-1914-1923
The Genocide of Ottoman Greeks, 1914-1923 | Rutgers–Newark 
http://www.ncas.rutgers.edu/center-study-genocide-conflict-resolution-and-human-rights/genocide-ottoman-greeks-1914-1923

Memorial: Columbia, South Carolina, USA - Greek-Genocide.org.
[The Genocide - Memorials]
Order of AHEPA-Palmetto 284 and Daughters of Penelope-Alethia 302. Inscriptions: In memory of 3.5 million Greek, Assyrian, Armenian victims of the genocide ...
http://www.greek-genocide.org/monument_columbia.html


1 posted on 10/26/2012 6:05:00 AM PDT by Righting
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To: Larry Lucido; Gamecock

Imagine ... a whole empire based on putting your feet up


2 posted on 10/26/2012 6:15:04 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: F15Eagle

Oh damn you! I came into this thread to make that joke.


3 posted on 10/26/2012 6:26:42 AM PDT by snarkytart
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To: snarkytart

LOL


4 posted on 10/26/2012 6:57:26 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: Righting
Thank you for the links. Here's what I have posted in the past.

Recognition of the Armenian Genocide by Turkey is a secondary issue – interview with Harut Sassounian. [An Armenian living in southern California.]

[Excerpt ]"The real purpose of the resolution is not recognition of the Armenian Genocide, but a political struggle – the issue of which side has a larger political capital in Washington. . . . [T]he admission of the Armenian Genocide by Turkey is an issue of secondary importance for us. . . . our lands were seized and our 3,000-year-old culture was destroyed. . . . Therefore, our true demand is compensation for this injustice. . . . Now specialists must study the lawyers’ advice and decide which issue should be submitted to which court, as there is the International Court of Justice, European Court of Human Rights, US Federal Courts, etc. This is a most important issue. It must be studied with all seriousness, because, if we lose in court, Turkey will claim that Armenians have no legal demands."

"The Armenians' here and in Armenia "political struggle [to get] political capital in Washington."

We have enough problems! Let Turkey and the Armenians settle this without disrupting our society demanding resolutions siding with one against the other.

Apparently this particular link to the NY Times article is no longer good: http://www.firstgenocide.org/press3.html. "500,000 Armenians Said To Have Perished. Washington Asked to Stop Slaughter of Christians by Turks and Kurds." The New York Times September 24, 1915. Turks and Kurds.. BTW, some radical Kurds (the Marxist PKK) claim the same parts of eastern Turkey as Armenia claims I believe.

Ottoman Turkey ally Kaiser Wilhelm II had German military stationed in Ottoman Turkey.

"'German Responsibility in the Armenian Genocide: A Review of the Historical Evidence of German Complicity" by Vahakn N. Dadrian.

[Excerpt] "Dadrian does not accuse Germany of instigating the Armenian genocide; he argues instead that Germany contributed to the genocide through policies that condoned it and that the German government sanctioned German and Turkish officials who participated in the genocide's implementation."

I believe that investigations conducted by the western allies following W.W.I knew all the above but chose not to pursue it.

5 posted on 10/26/2012 7:45:01 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Righting

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_genocide

It’s pretty obvious that the genocide had long been simmering, had multiple causes, and was the culmination of an extraordinary mess within and outside of the Ottoman empire, leading up to and subsequent to World War I.

If criticism against the Germans is to be leveled, it can be made on the basis of a mistake still being made, that is, the willingness of otherwise civil nations to support tyrannical regimes in other nations. For example, today we see Russia supporting Iran and Syria, and most of Europe supporting Arab tyrannies against Israel.


6 posted on 10/26/2012 8:01:07 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (DIY Bumper Sticker: "THREE TIMES,/ DEMOCRATS/ REJECTED GOD")
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Interesting. Some connect the Mufti’s “experience” while serving in the Turkish army, as it carried out the genocide, as an inspiration onto his aiding Hitler in the 1940s in the annihilation of 6 million Jews.


7 posted on 10/26/2012 4:42:30 PM PDT by Righting (9)
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