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Indiana GOP Senate candidate stands by rape comment
Chicago Tribune ^ | October 24, 2012 | AP

Posted on 10/24/2012 9:38:38 AM PDT by Altariel

Indiana Republican Senate candidate Richard Mourdock is standing by his statement that when a woman becomes pregnant during a rape "that's something God intended." He says some people have twisted his comment.

Mourdock said in a news conference Wednesday that he abhors any sexual violence and regrets it if his comment during a debate Tuesday night left another impression.

Mourdock, who's been locked in one of the country's most expensive and closely watched Senate races, was asked during the final minutes of the debate whether abortion should be allowed in cases of rape or incest.

"I struggled with it myself for a long time, but I came to realize that life is that gift from God. And, I think, even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something that God intended to happen," Mourdock said.

Mourdock became the second GOP Senate candidate to find himself on the defensive over comments about rape and pregnancy. Missouri Senate candidate Rep. Todd Akin said in August that women's bodies have ways of preventing pregnancy in cases of what he called "legitimate rape." Since his comment, Akin has repeatedly apologized but has refused to leave his race despite calls to do so by leaders of his own party, from GOP presidential hopeful Mitt Romney on down.

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1 posted on 10/24/2012 9:38:38 AM PDT by Altariel
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To: Altariel

Does Obama repudiate his association with the accused rapist and sexual predator currently on the stump for him?


2 posted on 10/24/2012 9:40:37 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: Altariel

Pathetic. Republicans love to shoot themselves in the head at the exact wrong time. This could cost us big time for NO good reason.


3 posted on 10/24/2012 9:42:58 AM PDT by arrogantsob (The Disaster MUST Go. Sarah herself supports Romney.)
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To: Altariel

Could GOP male candidates possibly keep such opinions to themselves? Honestly, there is plain stupidity and then there is platinum stupidity. Shut up and talk about the economy and leave all talk of women’s wombs strictly within your immediate families.

This isn’t rocket science.


4 posted on 10/24/2012 9:43:47 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: Altariel

Richard Mourdock is not only standing by his comments about rape, but he is standing by the Truth and the Pro Life Cause.


5 posted on 10/24/2012 9:48:53 AM PDT by Uncle Slayton
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To: arrogantsob

Acknowledging that God is the author of life doesn’t seem a bit controversial to me. Who else creates life? That’s a principle within our Declaration of Independence - that the inalienable rights are endowed by our CREATOR. And that includes rape cases.

The philosophy that we shape our own destinies in every respect is a bunch of hooey. We make our choices, but sometimes things happen in life that we are not in control of. When those things happen we can try to become our own master and damn anybody who stands in our road, or we can say that there may be a guiding Hand who is bringing good out of evil.

The reason these statements would be politically damaging is because Americans are too shallow and selfish to sort them out and realize the deeper truth. It’s that same shallowness that regards a baby - a precious gift of life - as a “punishment” for our daughters to not “be saddled with”.

We are scared sh!tless of the American people. We are afraid that everybody will be sucked in by a bunch of hogwash. I’ve come to believe that this election is really and truly a test of the American people. A day of decision. If the majority of Americans are as stupid and evil as we conservatives fear, then there is no amount of political sweet-talking or manipulation that can save this nation. Period. If we’re that dead already, let’s just get it over with.


6 posted on 10/24/2012 9:51:21 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: Altariel

When will these idiots learn a concise talking point on this issue?

This will be another 2 weeks of war on woman and the purists who don’t see the politics of this are beyond clueless.

Hence, the current headline: Murdock stands behind statement that rape is a gift from God (when we know that’s not wha he meant).


7 posted on 10/24/2012 9:52:46 AM PDT by nhwingut (Single Issue Voter: Obama Must Go!)
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To: txrefugee
Could GOP male candidates possibly keep such opinions to themselves? Honestly, there is plain stupidity and then there is platinum stupidity. Shut up and talk about the economy and leave all talk of women’s wombs strictly within your immediate families.

This isn’t rocket science.

It seems it is tough enough to some people that it ranks right up there with Rocket Science for some of them.

This Senate seat will probably be lost and what should have been a prime year for Republicans picking up Senate seats will likely be lost.

Maybe the Tea Party folks could do a better job vetting some of these people before supporting them and knocking off candidates who could have won.

8 posted on 10/24/2012 9:52:59 AM PDT by billva
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To: Uncle Slayton

DITTO.

The GOP needs to grow a pair! I’m sick of this crap. The man was pouring his heart out about the unborn and his faith.
Hell, even Pence told him he should apologize for his comment. I heard this right after going in for early voting. No kidding, within minutes of voting. Had I heard this prior to I think I would have had to hold my nose.

Dear Mr. Pence, stick up for Mr. Mourdock! We don’t need any more panty weights in the GOP. We have plenty of them as it is.


9 posted on 10/24/2012 9:54:10 AM PDT by mark3681
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To: Altariel

One wonders what this politician would do if his 12 year old daughter became pregnant as a result of a gang rape by a bunch of thugs. Work of God or work of the devil?


10 posted on 10/24/2012 9:54:37 AM PDT by kenmcg (t)
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To: arrogantsob
Pathetic. Republicans love to shoot themselves in the head at the exact wrong time. This could cost us big time for NO good reason.

It is hard to understand how some of our solid, conservative candidates could be so politically stupid. Akin's comments were just too awful to recover from, Mourdock's are not as bad but still an ridiculous self inflicted wound. All he had to say was "I am against abortion except in cases where the mother's life is at risk" and leave it at that. No need to elaborate on his struggle with the issue or anything else.

11 posted on 10/24/2012 9:54:43 AM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: butterdezillion

There is a time and place for everything. We need nothing which can be twisted against the enemies of The Disaster and need every wavering vote.

It was stupid to get into something like this and pretend to know the mind of God. God wanted the Jews killed? God wanted millions of babies aborted? What man does is NOT always what God wants.


12 posted on 10/24/2012 9:54:56 AM PDT by arrogantsob (The Disaster MUST Go. Sarah herself supports Romney.)
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To: Longbow1969

It isn’t hard to understand, we see all over this site and this is about the best site there is.

These clowns are determined to give The Disaster a chance to pull this out. It is just DARING undecided women to vote for the GOP.


13 posted on 10/24/2012 9:58:53 AM PDT by arrogantsob (The Disaster MUST Go. Sarah herself supports Romney.)
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To: skeeter

Makes no difference. Repubs know the deck is stacked against them, so they need to avoid the pitfalls. This trap was laid out for Mourdock and he bit the bait.

Not that it matters much at this point... control of the Senate looks pretty much out of reach anyway.


14 posted on 10/24/2012 9:59:08 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Record high turnout is our hope for sending 0bama home. Pray hard!!!)
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To: arrogantsob
-"Pathetic. Republicans love to shoot themselves in the head at the exact wrong time. This could cost us big time for NO good reason."

For Pete's sake, READ (or WATCH) WHAT HE SAID, AND STOP BEING SO GULLIBLE WITH THE PROPAGANDA MEDIA!!!!!..... WHAT "GOD INTENDED" WAS 'CONCEPTION'!!!!! NOT THE "RAPE"!!!!!


15 posted on 10/24/2012 10:00:04 AM PDT by LibFreeUSA
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To: Altariel

Just when we thought we got the abortion debate off the front pages. The battle has moved against the media, not Obama (who has no bullets left in the chamber). It’s admirable to be principled on this issue, but for the next 13 days it only hurts the GOP.


16 posted on 10/24/2012 10:01:10 AM PDT by BlueStateRightist
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To: nhwingut

“when we know that’s not wha he meant”

Everybody with a little bit of common sense knows this isn’t what he meant. EVEN Pence!
I could see asking him to clarify the statement. But asking him to apologize is another matter all together.

G onads
O ptional
P arty


17 posted on 10/24/2012 10:02:25 AM PDT by mark3681
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To: LibFreeUSA

“For Pete’s sake, READ (or WATCH) WHAT HE SAID, AND STOP BEING SO GULLIBLE WITH THE PROPAGANDA MEDIA!!!!!..... WHAT “GOD INTENDED” WAS ‘CONCEPTION’!!!!! NOT THE “RAPE”!!!!!”

WORTH REPEATING!


18 posted on 10/24/2012 10:03:56 AM PDT by mark3681
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To: kenmcg

God is the author of life. The devil only has the power to steal, kill, and destroy - which is what the rape is. The creation of life is something different, and only God can ultimately do it.

The death of Jesus Christ was an ugly, unjust, cruel, bad thing. A lot of people did a lot of wrong to get that deed to happen. But in the end that death brought salvation to anyone who is willing to receive it. It satisfied justice for all sin that’s ever been done - including gang rape, abortion, gossip, and a whole bunch of other sins. God has always been in the practice of taking bad, ugly things and making something beautiful out of them instead.

How many women looking at their child whose dad is a jerk still look on that child as the best thing that ever happened to them? Out of a dead, painful stump, God had brought forth a living, beautiful shoot that blessed them in ways they would never have imagined.


19 posted on 10/24/2012 10:05:08 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: LibFreeUSA

They don’t care what he said, they’re to busy wetting their pants.

To a lot of people around here it’s not a baby if rape is involved. Even if they believe it’s a baby you’re supposed to lie about it in order to get elected.

I’m tired of it and they are the ones who are pathetic.

It makes me laugh that these are the same people who complain that the GOP has no balls.


20 posted on 10/24/2012 10:06:00 AM PDT by beandog (All Aboard the Choo Choo Train to Crazy Town)
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To: mark3681

1 there is no problem with not having a “pair” but not using what is between the ears.

2 It is ridiculous to be “pouring his heart out” in a political campaign. This is not The View. He isn’t running to be Mr. Open Heart but a US Senator. Surely he is not totally BLIND to the fact that the Enemamedia will seize on such statements and bludegeon the GOP with them. Why hand weapons to our enemies?

3 It does not matter how insane these RATs are the Enemamedia does not cover it but every slip by the GOP is trumpeted. This remark was not a mere slip but one of those things which turn political events around. It is unbelievably damaging.

For NO good reason.


21 posted on 10/24/2012 10:06:35 AM PDT by arrogantsob (The Disaster MUST Go. Sarah herself supports Romney.)
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To: ScottinVA

We’ve stacked the decks against ourselves with F-ups like Scott Brown who is happily declaring that he’s ready to reach across the aisle at the earliest opportunity.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2949461/posts


22 posted on 10/24/2012 10:06:59 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: ScottinVA

I agree - repubs have to be VERY deft in their handling of the media. And even then I don’t think they can avoid intentional media deceit.


23 posted on 10/24/2012 10:08:48 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: beandog
I’m tired of it and they are the ones who are pathetic.

They need to form a new "moderate" party or we do. Lets see how the northeast moderate party does without conservatives.
24 posted on 10/24/2012 10:09:09 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: arrogantsob
It ain't the baby's fault. Clearly, the demonic democRats want nothing more than to kill more babies.

Mourdock spoke the truth to power.

His demonicRat opponents are bound and determined to kill as many babies as they can.

The only idiots I see are the pusillanimous fools masquerading as FReepers and Republicans.

25 posted on 10/24/2012 10:10:27 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

I have a niece who is a product of rape.

She’s the one a call “the good one” because she’s survived a bout of liberalism in college and has found her conservative roots.


26 posted on 10/24/2012 10:13:42 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: arrogantsob

“This remark was not a mere slip...”

Never said it was a slip.
We’ve been talking for years about how conservatives have to have the balls to speak their minds. When they do, and say something that the left can pounce on, they are called everything but politician.
If the polls are correct, and there are more people who care about life than don’t, and care about rule of law than don’t, then what the hell are we afraid of?
Yes, we need to take the senate and the oval office. But I’m all for seeing our representatives as they are.
We see the loony left as they are all the time. Most actually detest them.
It’s a matter of people getting to the polls and voting. We have them outnumbered by a long shot.
Look at all the hand wringing over Akin. Look where he is now. He WILL win. He stood up against the machine and I believe he will claim victory over it.


27 posted on 10/24/2012 10:16:42 AM PDT by mark3681
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To: Altariel

Super A-Hole.

If we can afford to loose this seat, I hope we lose it.

THis guy is just a TOTAL jerk.

If WW2 happened, its because God wanted it to.

What a jerk.


28 posted on 10/24/2012 10:18:22 AM PDT by ZULU (See video: http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-first-siege-of-vienna.html)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Mourdock’s mouth hurts the Pro-Life cause.

There is a time for every season under the sun.


29 posted on 10/24/2012 10:19:14 AM PDT by arrogantsob (The Disaster MUST Go. Sarah herself supports Romney.)
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To: arrogantsob

This is not a theoretical, political issue. When you see a child who was conceived in less-than-ideal circumstances, do you see the spawn of the devil, or do you see a precious life that was created by God?

What we see absolutely impacts everything we will do in our life. If I look at Muslim kids and see them as the spawn of Satan it will impact everything I think and do regarding those kids. If their daddy is a terrorist, does that mean that the child was never meant to exist? Or is that life precious - created and intended to be redeemed and sanctified for Himself just like I have been created, redeemed, and sancitified for Him?

I don’t see Mexican citizens, ambassadors to Libya, and abortion survivors as piles of human tissue that serve a political purpose. I see them as precious people that God intended to live, and I see the taking of those lives as stealing from the One to whom those lives belong. Obama sees those people totally differently. So which way will you see them? Why should we be afraid to enunciate the view of life that allows us to NOT be just like the Jerk-in-Chief?


30 posted on 10/24/2012 10:19:46 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: arrogantsob

Saying that God is the author of life and that He brings good out of bad is NOT a “slip”. It is the very core of what a lot of us believe and are. And it is what ultimately offers ANY hope for those who are caught in difficult situations.

Why are we so afraid of giving people truthful answers to life’s problems? Because the author of death might fight back? Of COURSE he’ll fight back. That’s what life is - a battle between the author of life and the author of death. The author of life has already won. There’s no way I’m going to pretend to be on the losing team, when simply displaying the winner for all to see can offer life and hope to a hurting world.


31 posted on 10/24/2012 10:27:06 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: arrogantsob
Pusillanimous fools pretending to be conservatives hurt the Pro-Life cause.

Backstabbing morons joining forces with democRats in the press to attack conservative politicians hurt the Pro-Life cause.

The Pro-Life cause would be better off if pusillanimous fools and backstabbing morons would STFU.

32 posted on 10/24/2012 10:31:48 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Altariel
What Mourdock fails to grasp in his moral handwringing, is that the moral dilemma is not his, but an innocent rape victim's, in the hypothetical situation.

Here, unlike the ordinary situation, where a woman has volitionally engaged in conduct that resulted in a pregnancy--where society may reasonably expect her to accept the consequences, and nurture the baby;--Mourdock is deciding that the rape victim's humanity is less important than allowing the rapist to perpetuate his line through her humiliation & tribulation.

Nothing could be better calculated to undermine the legitimate arguments against abortion, than such absolutist thinking. Something, here, obviously, has to give. In the hypothetical situation, it should certainly not be the body of the innocent victim, against her will.

William Flax

33 posted on 10/24/2012 10:35:18 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: ZULU

If WWII happened, God ALLOWED it to happen. Doesn’t mean he WANTED it to happen. If God WANTED WWII to happen He would not have commanded us not to murder. He allows people to make their choices even when it is against His will - in rape just like in concentration camps. Rape is not God’s will. Concentration camps are not His will. He’s told us that outright.

But the creation of a new life is separate from rape, and only God can create new life. Even when we manipulate all the factors to try to cause conception - in a test tube or elsewhere - sometimes life will be created and live and sometimes not. Anybody who has struggled to conceive has had to wrestle with God over why He gives or withholds the creation of life. When it happens - every time - it is a precious gift. Sometimes it causes great pain, just like a lot of things cause great pain. But life is worth pain. So many people have learned that, and learned to bless the day that God gave them better than they even knew to ask for.


34 posted on 10/24/2012 10:36:17 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: cripplecreek

Thank you for telling us ... and thank your sister(?) for giving life to her child.


35 posted on 10/24/2012 10:38:48 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Ohioan

How does a child conceived after rape threaten a woman’s humanity?


36 posted on 10/24/2012 10:38:59 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: Altariel

The left is trying to make this into an Akin style statement. It is not. He was expressing his beliefs against abortion and reinforced that he does not support the exception for rape. This is not an uncommon position. I believe Paul Ryan maintains the same position. Romney hedges and supports exceptions.

I concur that he would be better off not saying anything that can be twisted and mangled by the left. He should have said less. What he said is not an Akin moment, though.

They tried to get Ryan on this a few weeks ago with no success. Mourdock and others can learn from Ryan how to maintain campaign discipline.


37 posted on 10/24/2012 10:40:40 AM PDT by ilgipper (Obama supporters are comprised of the uninformed & the ill-informed)
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To: LibFreeUSA

When he wants to write a book of revelations do not do it while running for the Senate.

Isn’t he aware of the traps laid with the abortion question? Doesn’t he know he has to be extremely precise in making statements in that area? Didn’t he see how the enemamedia distorts such remarks?


38 posted on 10/24/2012 10:44:29 AM PDT by arrogantsob (The Disaster MUST Go. Sarah herself supports Romney.)
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To: butterdezillion

It is not a winning position to force raped women to bear children. Or to even imply such a thing. That makes them little more than slaves.

Nor does everyone have the same religious views of such things.

During the times the Church controlled things that may have been possible but not now.


39 posted on 10/24/2012 10:49:55 AM PDT by arrogantsob (The Disaster MUST Go. Sarah herself supports Romney.)
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To: mark3681
Look at all the hand wringing over Akin. Look where he is now. He WILL win.

Rasmussen has it McCaskill 51%, Akin 43% as of October 19.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_senate_elections/missouri/election_2012_missouri_senate

40 posted on 10/24/2012 10:52:23 AM PDT by Ken H
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To: butterdezillion

There is a time and place for everything. Many a would be politician has torpedoed his chances because he can’t say what he means so that the enemamedia can’t distort it and use it against him.

Why do you think this question was asked?


41 posted on 10/24/2012 10:53:32 AM PDT by arrogantsob (The Disaster MUST Go. Sarah herself supports Romney.)
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To: ilgipper

I agree, although I also recognize that the media can distort ANYTHING.

Knowing that, it is our job to make sure they don’t get away with it - not to blame our people for having the audacity to be up-front rather than tiptoeing around the abusive drunken husband (media) all the time. Sure, don’t do stuff you know is going to anger the abusive jerk, but when just living your life is provocation enough for him, we become enablers of the abuse if we blame the person who didn’t tiptoe gingerly enough in the opinion of the abuser.

And I really do believe that the abusive husband analogy is an apt portrayal of the media and the dysfunction that surrounds the media. We act like the media is God - all-powerful. We sacrifice our children, our principles, and everything else to appease that abusive husband - and blame anybody who doesn’t accept the abuser’s rules/threats/manipulation. The pathology is incredibly similar.


42 posted on 10/24/2012 10:54:39 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: ArrogantBustard; All

Why do you think this question was asked?


43 posted on 10/24/2012 10:54:46 AM PDT by arrogantsob (The Disaster MUST Go. Sarah herself supports Romney.)
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To: arrogantsob
This is not 'Akin'. I was critical of what Akin said back then. This is TOTALLY DIFFERENT. They have have actually TWISTED what he said.

This is a LINE in the sand that has been drawn, and it HAS TO BE DEFENDED WITHOUT HESITATION! .....

NO I DO NOT AGREE WITH BEING 'DEFENSIVE' ABOUT WHAT HE SAID, BECAUSE THE NEXT THING IS....

WE WILL BE COMPLETELY SHUT DOWN ABOUT WHAT WILL BE 'TOLERABLE' TO SAY ABOUT ABORTION!

44 posted on 10/24/2012 11:02:09 AM PDT by LibFreeUSA
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To: LibFreeUSA

Why do you think this question was asked?


45 posted on 10/24/2012 11:04:34 AM PDT by arrogantsob (The Disaster MUST Go. Sarah herself supports Romney.)
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To: txrefugee
"Could GOP male candidates possibly keep such opinions to themselves?"

The moderator of the debate asked the question to all three candidates, I guess Mourdock could have lied?
46 posted on 10/24/2012 11:04:54 AM PDT by jaydubya2
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To: arrogantsob

Raped women would be less willing to choose to kill the child if they understood that the child is not a monster and her life is not ruined by the child’s life. Which is what Mourdock is saying. Why such resistance to that simple truth?


47 posted on 10/24/2012 11:05:11 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: Altariel

GOP candidates should do themselves a favor and repeat Romney’s talking points, even then they would actually sound better.


48 posted on 10/24/2012 11:12:09 AM PDT by Morpheus2009
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To: arrogantsob

Media questions are always asked in order to trip up a conservative candidate and get fodder for distortion. I don’t contest that and I see your point about not unnecessarily giving them that fodder.

But at what point does wisdom become slavery? Have you ever been in an abusive situation? Do you recognize the comparison I’ve made - where the fear of abuse controls a person’s life? When the media takes a statement and blows it into something it never was - and then the rest of us pile on the person, blaming THEM for the media’s manipulations - we become part of the pathology of an abusive media. It’s what cults do. It’s why Islam is a cult. It’s why the usurper-in-chief blames a video or a Koran-burning rather than recognizing that a spoiled abuser is simply throwing a deadly tantrum to try to control the rest of us. There’s a whole pathology at play, and people slip into the enabling, denying, etc roles so very, very easily if they aren’t watchful.

Do you understand what I am saying on this?

I bring this up because it seems like your gripe isn’t necessarily over whether what Mourdock said was RIGHT, but only whether it was SMART. When we have to be so afraid of saying something that is right or true, it’s time to ask ourselves what or who is controlling us and why.


49 posted on 10/24/2012 11:15:21 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: arrogantsob

exactly

G-d IS NOT micro-managing our lives

everything that happens to us is not a result of G-d micromanaging our lives (G-d’s relationship with Adam identified this)

G-d is never micromanaging the life of a rapist - they ignore G-d, or a rapist’s victim at the moment of the rape

to say that a child conceived by rape is a “gift of G-d” is to say that the rape was a gift of G-d

that is NOT Christian, religious, moral or anything but assinine

on the other end, after the rape, yes, every human life is precious, and once conceived, AFTER the child is conceived, that life is precious, to G-d and it ought to be to us

yet, to say it is a “gift” of G-d is in my view immoral

if that statement were not immoral then there really would be nothing wrong with rape as a legitimate form of human conception, when in fact to most Christians it is not even moral or ethical for a husband to rape his wife - so how can the rape and any result of it be “gift of G-d” - it can’t, anymore than can the trauma at the time, for the victim, and the trauma that can continue for years for the victim be called a “gift of G-d”

what evil does is never a “gift of G-d”

no Christian is correct when they excuse evil acts that humans do as “an act of G-d” (just as stupidly as when Pat Robertson faulted some of our “sinful” Americans for the attacks on 9/11).

when an evil act occurs, G-d has been and is being ignored by those committing the act - they have abandoned G-d and G-d has abondoned them (for the moment, they may repent later), therefore what they do is not a “gift” from G-d

afterward, we do seek gifts from G-d, to help us through what we must do to go one with our lives; we seek the gifts of G-d’s peace, G-d’s strength, G-d’s forgiveness for our enemies, G-d’s wisdom and G-d’s grace

but the rape - its is not a “gift” period


50 posted on 10/24/2012 11:21:58 AM PDT by Wuli
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