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In Japan, need of fossil fuels pushes climate-change targets to back seat
Washington Post ^ | October 20, 2012 | By Chico Harlan

Posted on 10/21/2012 7:14:55 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

TOKYO — With Japan’s oil and gas plants firing at full capacity, officials here say there is little chance of meeting a pledge to cut greenhouse gas emissions significantly over the next decade, a startling retreat for a country that once spearheaded an international agreement on climate change.

The centerpiece of Japan’s efforts to combat global warming was nuclear power. But since last year’s Fukushima nuclear complex disaster, this resource-poor country has been forced to sharply increase its use of dirtier fossil fuels.

The earlier, ambitious target to slash emissions 25 percent from 1990 levels by 2020 has been overrun by a more urgent, short-term need: to burn fossil fuels and maintain a steady electricity supply in the wake of the country’s abrupt turn away from nuclear power.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Japan; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: climategate; fukushima; hoax; nuclear
Gee, I didn't see this coming ...
1 posted on 10/21/2012 7:15:04 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

But, but, but, but the media says wind & solar can power all our needs and we don’t need nuclear and oil

2 posted on 10/21/2012 7:29:15 AM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Those Japanese are so wasteful. It doesn't help that they drive gas-guzzlers like this.

3 posted on 10/21/2012 7:48:30 AM PDT by BfloGuy (Teach a man to fish and you lose a Democratic voter.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Nuclear was the only ‘green’ energy that had a chance. But it’s risky, expensive and it doesn’t give you the juice when you need it. Nobody wants to live anywhere near it and nobody wants to deal with the nuclear waste (remember how Newt killed himself during the Nevada debate when he said he said he wanted to park it in Yucca?)

I’ve decided that I am not in favor of the government pushing to make nuclear energy ‘happen.’

4 posted on 10/21/2012 7:51:51 AM PDT by ari-freedom
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To: BfloGuy

Is that the new 2013 Suzuki Death Trap?

5 posted on 10/21/2012 7:54:20 AM PDT by Flag_This (Real presidents don't bow.)
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To: BfloGuy

That’s really cool. I want one. So long as I can put a rack on the back of it for my golf clubs.

6 posted on 10/21/2012 8:05:17 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

no such thing as fossil fuels....

7 posted on 10/21/2012 8:37:26 AM PDT by joe fonebone (The clueless... they walk among us, and they vote...)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
reality makes strange bedfellows...
8 posted on 10/21/2012 8:53:57 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: BfloGuy
i saw one of those Fiat type death traps on the Thruway yesterday doing about 5-under and the bow wave a tractor/trailer doing about 10-over i was following damn near pushed it onto the shoulder... that thing would prolly end up in the grass
9 posted on 10/21/2012 9:03:40 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Still do not understand why petroleum is called a “fossil fuel.” What a misnomer.

10 posted on 10/21/2012 9:24:20 AM PDT by DennisR (Look around - God gives countless, indisputable clues that He does, indeed, exist.)
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To: joe fonebone


11 posted on 10/21/2012 9:27:23 AM PDT by DennisR (Look around - God gives countless, indisputable clues that He does, indeed, exist.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer; ari-freedom; qam1; BfloGuy; DennisR; joe fonebone

I am talking about electricity for home and work in the following.

Nuclear IS the best non-polluting “green” source of electrical energy, but we need to use the best nuclear technology. Not the ones generally used to date.

A combination of thorium/uranium-cycle breeder and burner reactors could supply energy “forever”, based on extraction of uranium from seawater, as well as the conventional mined sources of nuclear fuel.

Current light-water reactors usefully extract less than 1% of the available energy in the nuclear fuel. Breeder reactors can extract almost all of the energy contained in uranium and thorium. We are talking about up to two orders of magnitude greater efficiency.

Between breeding and burning nuclear cycles, these processes can consume or destroy virtually every bit of the most dangerous, long-lived and thus very hazardous waste. No need for the Yucca Flat storage areas, we just use the fuel over and over again until it is used up.

Finally, using molten-salt cycles, we are no longer dealing with massively-large highly pressurized systems, eliminating a key complexity in nuclear reactors.

This is something that should be seriously re-evaluated.

Jimmah Carter issued an executive order in 1977 banning the reprocessing of nuclear fuel in the US. The concern was that plutonium generated in the process could be stolen by terrorists and used to make A-bombs.

But it is virtually impossible to separate the key plutonium isotope (239) from the other Pu isotopes to the degree necessary to use it for fissile bombs.

Instead, we should just engineer it into the mix and burn it for fuel.

Other issues actually do favor these breeder/burner processes over coal, such as the volume and mass of waste generated by them - pounds for nuclear versus tons for coal, and emissions. Coal plants emit radioactive elements, albeit at a very low level, as a normal part of the operation in the fly ash.

And consider that radiation is a normal part of the environment. We evolved with normal background radiation in the natural world. Low-level radiation does Not produce biologic damage in a linear fashion. There is a threshold effect, and at very low levels the body self-repairs itself. This is one of the systematic errors made in extrapolating from high-dose data to low-dose predictions in epidemiological and and toxicity studies.

And renewables? Wind can never be significantly useful, because you have to have base-demand generation capability at all times to back it up. The UK grid almost collapsed a couple of years ago when an extremely long cold spell with no wind spiked demand and zeroed out the wind-farms.

Even as a technologists, there are still huge increases in solar-cell efficiency vs costs plus energy storage technology for direct photoelectric conversion to really matter. And there are those pesky solar-cell manufacturing wastes to deal with.

I am a little intrigued by the molten-salt solar thermal process. But these only work in the desert southwest, for example. You cannot put a thermal-solar plant in Canada and Alaska and expect much for half the year, for example.

SO - as an important point - all of these really need to be supported by and combined with the US building a new national long-distance DC electric grid (hardened to resist X50+? class solar flares and direct impact by huge coronal mass ejections, like the 1859 Carrington solar event).

(Note - if one of these solar events were to happen next week, then all bets are off. The US - let alone the rest of the industrialized world - is not prepared. In the Carrington flare, the CME hit the earth 17 hours after the flare occured. This is not enough time to prepare. There will be no computers, no cars with chips, no cell phones, no electricity, pretty much no anything that you cannot walk to or carry yourself for the following several years. We are all basically camping out for a long, long time. Depending on how old you are, maybe for the rest of your life. Oh well...)

As far as oil is concerned, we do have a multiple-century supply (at higher prices over time), but the best uses for liquid hydrocarbons are not electric generation, but as fuel for transportation, and feedstocks in the chemical industry. This also applies to liquids from any biomass technology, even if enhanced with genetic engineering.

So when it comes to electricity, a little hydro, a little wind and a little solar will help some, but cannot come even close to meeting demand.

We only have three choices - from worst to best - coal, natural gas, or nuclear.

The first two we can do now basically.

One last but important point to consider. There is enough nuclear fuel in the earth and its oceans to last literally millions of years, with the technology discussed above. I know that seems like a long time, but it is something to think about.

Coal, oil and natural gas may last for hundreds of years, maybe thousands. But what if we last longer than this?

China has a continuous history stretching back 5000 years. Just 8000 years ago the Sumerians were doing their thing. So the long view is worth looking at.

Nuclear and renewables can basically last forever...

... or until the Yellowstone caldera explodes,
... or the next huge comet/asteroid impact,
... or the next ice-age,
... or the sun burns out - whichever comes first.


12 posted on 10/21/2012 2:08:17 PM PDT by muffaletaman (IMNSHO - I MIGHT be wrong, but I doubt it.)
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To: muffaletaman

muffaletaman for Energy Secretary!

13 posted on 10/21/2012 2:59:29 PM PDT by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: muffaletaman

Wouldn’t hydroelectric be the greenest?

14 posted on 10/22/2012 12:16:17 PM PDT by DennisR (Look around - God gives countless, indisputable clues that He does, indeed, exist.)
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To: hattend
muffaletaman for Energy Secretary!

I second the motion!

15 posted on 10/22/2012 12:24:22 PM PDT by the_devils_advocate_666
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To: DennisR

Hydro is great, as long as libtards don’t freak out over water for fish downstream. Properly used for power, irrigation, potable water and flood control, hydro is good.

Three issues do exist:

- SOME dams in some places represent an increase in earthquake risks.

- If a dam fails for any reason, it is bad news!

- and this ALWAYS happens someday... all dam-created lakes eventually silt up.

You can see this with the cycle of beaver dams, and the meadows next to streams that they create. One of the valley roads I sometimes travel on shows the cycle of beaver dams and meadows very clearly... it is really neat.

16 posted on 10/23/2012 12:09:00 PM PDT by muffaletaman (IMNSHO - I MIGHT be wrong, but I doubt it.)
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