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Burma signs deal to dig up buried World War II planes
AP via Fox News ^ | 10/17/12 | AP

Posted on 10/17/2012 9:16:22 AM PDT by DFG

Burma has signed a deal with a British aviation enthusiast to allow the excavation of a World War II treasure: dozens of Spitfire fighter planes buried by the British almost 70 years ago.

Aviation enthusiast David J. Cundall discovered the locations of the aircraft after years of searching. The planes are believed to be in good condition, since they were reportedly packed in crates and hidden by British forces to keep them out of the hands of invading Japanese.

The British Embassy said Wednesday that the agreement was reached after discussions between President Thein Sein and British Prime Minister David Cameron during his visit to Burma earlier this year.

The excavation of the rare planes is slated to begin by the end of October.

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: burma; spitfire; wwii

1 posted on 10/17/2012 9:16:24 AM PDT by DFG
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To: DFG

Just, amazing. Wow, this is going to be a fun story!


2 posted on 10/17/2012 9:18:54 AM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (Actually, they lie when it suits them! The crooked MS media must be defeated any way it can be done!)
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To: DFG

This is pretty exciting news, as so few of these WWII plane still exist.


3 posted on 10/17/2012 9:24:06 AM PDT by WILLIALAL
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To: DFG

How does Myanmar feel about this?


4 posted on 10/17/2012 9:25:40 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1366 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: DFG
Fantastic. What a treasure. Hope some of them ends in America at air shows. Being a pilot I sure would like to see a low pass.
5 posted on 10/17/2012 9:27:41 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: EveningStar

Aviation ping.


6 posted on 10/17/2012 9:27:55 AM PDT by Squawk 8888 (True North- Strong Leader, Strong Dollar, Strong and Free!)
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To: DFG

Sixty spitfires is enough for three full squadrons.


7 posted on 10/17/2012 9:29:00 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: DFG

60 Spitfires doing a fly-by. That would be fun to see.


8 posted on 10/17/2012 9:30:12 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: DFG

“Never have so many owed so much to so few.” I hope they teach history with them.


9 posted on 10/17/2012 9:32:05 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: DFG

This should be great! The condition of the planes has to be pretty decent (relatively speaking)if they are in closed crates, and would be even better if some of the parts had grease or cosmoline smeared on them to prevent corrosion...This is wild!


10 posted on 10/17/2012 9:33:06 AM PDT by rlmorel (1793 French Jacobins and 2012 American Liberals have a lot in common.)
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To: WILLIALAL

I first thought they were going to go looking for the crews and planes that made up “The Aluminum Highway” - C-46s and C-87s (B-24 cargo var.) - that went down flying “The Hump”.


11 posted on 10/17/2012 9:41:49 AM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: DFG

Have they determined what Mark(s) of Spit these are? I thought they were late war examples buried as the RAF withdrew with the end of hostilities.


12 posted on 10/17/2012 9:45:15 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: null and void; Gamecock; Larry Lucido
It will always be Burma to me ...


13 posted on 10/17/2012 9:48:57 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: blueunicorn6
If you want to read a great book, find a copy of "Fly For Your Life: The Story of Bob Stanford Tuck" by Larry Forrester.

It's always been my favorite Battle of Britain book.

14 posted on 10/17/2012 9:52:39 AM PDT by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: tanknetter
Have they determined what Mark(s) of Spit these are? I thought they were late war examples buried as the RAF withdrew with the end of hostilities.

I don't think the British had a lot of Spitfires, if any, on the Burma front in 1941-1942. They were using obsolete aircraft such as the Brewster Buffalo fighter and the Vildebeest, a biplane bomber which had entered service in 1928. They were aided by US fliers, flying P-40's, from the American Volunteer Group, later the Fourteenth Air Force, which was based in China.

15 posted on 10/17/2012 9:56:04 AM PDT by Fiji Hill (Deo Vindice!)
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To: Calvin Locke

My dad flew the C-46 as a Hump Pilot.


16 posted on 10/17/2012 10:01:01 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (In the game of life, there are no betting limits)
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To: DFG
Sir Winston spoke eloquently about the sacrifice the Spit Pilots made during the Battle of Britain...

Since Sir Winston's bust has been removed, I am sure Da-One will not be amused...

BTW, I know a young warbird restorer in my aviation circles. Boy was he geeked when this story broke, the warbird community is jazzed over this to say the least. I think they are salivating at the prospect of some of these getting out to mortals like us....

17 posted on 10/17/2012 10:01:48 AM PDT by taildragger (( Fubarward Obama 2012, think about it :-) ))
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To: tanknetter

AFAIK, they’re all Mk 14’s.


18 posted on 10/17/2012 10:04:46 AM PDT by Natufian (t)
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To: WILLIALAL

35 airworthy at this time. If this article is true and they can be restored, it will triple that number. If they can just put together enough HE111 and ME109’s, they could have re-enact the battle of Britain, lol.


19 posted on 10/17/2012 10:08:54 AM PDT by Natufian (t)
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To: DFG
This is so cool, hope they are packed in cosmoline though...
20 posted on 10/17/2012 10:16:19 AM PDT by montanajoe (Blamed Flamed Shamed didn't vote for R/R or O/B)
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To: DFG

Fox News needs to do better, these planes were not buried to hide them from the Japanese, they were buried in August 45’ in their crates because that was cheaper than sending them back to Britain.


21 posted on 10/17/2012 10:16:51 AM PDT by Snickering Hound
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22 posted on 10/17/2012 10:19:37 AM PDT by EveningStar
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To: Snickering Hound; All
Fox News needs to do better, these planes were not buried to hide them from the Japanese, they were buried in August 45’ in their crates because that was cheaper than sending them back to Britain.

In the 80's "Sport Aviation" Magazine gave darn near a full page plea for someone to help confirm or add information to an Old WWII member that claimed the US Government did the same thing and buried something like 1000 Mustangs in the Pacific Theater... I wonder if they are really out their...

23 posted on 10/17/2012 10:26:47 AM PDT by taildragger (( Fubarward Obama 2012, think about it :-) ))
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To: rlmorel

Even if there is rust or the engines are seized. All of them are able to be restored with new rubber seals, gaskets and polishing. This is like finding Tut’s tomb....simply give anything to be there when they excavate these beauties!


24 posted on 10/17/2012 10:30:12 AM PDT by panzerkamphwageneinz
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To: panzerkamphwageneinz

I used to get Air and Space magazine and it had an article on people who rebuild Merlin v12s several years ago. It was pretty cool but they were saying parts were getting harder to find. Luckily for them, they made a lot of spares. Can you see going into Kragen and asking for a Merlin V-12 head gasket kit?


25 posted on 10/17/2012 10:33:09 AM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: null and void; F15Eagle; Gamecock

My anmar is nice and smooth after using Burma Shave on it.


26 posted on 10/17/2012 10:37:08 AM PDT by Larry Lucido (Romney/Ryan 2012)
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To: Natufian

The UK RAF will be thrilled. . .they have active duty pilots flying “active duty” WWII Hurricanes and Spitfires.

What a great assignment, getting assigned to fly the Spitfire or Hurricane.

The unit is based out of RAF Coningsby, channel 48 on your TACAN dial.

(I recall the TACAN channel because back in the 80’s I made an emergency landing in my A-10 at RAF Coningsby. Lost an engine while practicing an emergency single-engine divert to Coningsby. . .timing is everything).


27 posted on 10/17/2012 10:56:51 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: Lx

I figured with all of the c&c machines it would be a matter of drawing it in cad and cutting it on the machine. I image the rubber parts would be more tricky. Any way, I am very excited at this find. Too bad the US didn’t bury our inventory rather than destroy it.


28 posted on 10/17/2012 10:57:07 AM PDT by panzerkamphwageneinz
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To: blueunicorn6

How about a Spitfire class at the Reno Air Races. The engines alone would be worth a fortune.


29 posted on 10/17/2012 10:59:02 AM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Fiji Hill

The Brits moved obsolete Spits to the Pacific and new planes became available.


30 posted on 10/17/2012 11:03:01 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: Larry Lucido

TMI!


31 posted on 10/17/2012 11:05:04 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1366 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: Snickering Hound

This story came from AP.


32 posted on 10/17/2012 11:07:33 AM PDT by DFG ("Dumb, Dependent, and Democrat is no way to go through life" - Louie Gohmert (R-TX))
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To: panzerkamphwageneinz

Check out these production numbers of various planes from WWII:

Source is Wikipedia.

USA:
B-29 = 3970
P51 Mustang all variants = over 15,000
B-17 = 12,731

Britain:
Spitfire = 20,351
Hawker Hurricanes = 14,533
Avro-Lacaster = 7,377

Deutschland:
ME-109 = 33,984
FW-190 = over 20,000
ME-262 = 1,430
Stuka = Estimated 6,500

Japan:
Zero = 10,939

Obviously that’s a short list of all the planes that were built but considering the incredible numbers of planes built, how many are flying today or even in a static display?
From: http://www.johnweeks.com/b17active/index.html

There are 15 B-17’s left flying or static display although didn’t we just lose one?

I’ve only seen one ME-262 and that was at the Smithsonian Air and Space museum and I think Britain has at least one.

The prospect of finding so many Spitfires is a miracle.

Then, there was the B-29 that landed on the ice and a group was working to replace the engines and fly it out and it was part of a documentary. They actually had it taxiing after all four engines were replaced and then the APU wasn’t properly installed and it burned the plane to the ground. It was a tragic loss and a horrible end to the documentary. I’ve only seen it once though. I think they didn’t even recover the engines they had just put on and I think while they were taxiing it, they ended up over a frozen lake so in summer, they figured the remains would end up on the bottom of the lake. I don’t know why the didn’t recover the engines, they looked like they survived. Maybe they were just too depressed to have come so close and have it all go up in smoke in 5 minutes?

I agree that with CNC’s, they can probably produce what they need. I don’t know about rubber parts and things like gaskets and whether they kept the spares they manufactured. Seeing as how they decommissioned so many planes, I don’t know why they’d keep the spares but they did for the Merlin V-12. I guess they were still using the engine and we used P-51s at the outbreak of the Korean war.

I can’t wait to see the shape of these planes after so many years. I guess it wasn’t just Saddam who buried planes...


33 posted on 10/17/2012 3:02:40 PM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Calvin Locke
I first thought they were going to go looking for the crews and planes that made up “The Aluminum Highway” - C-46s and C-87s (B-24 cargo var.) - that went down flying “The Hump”.

Having visited a few areas in that region, I have a feeling that many of those will be lost forever, unless some peasant accidentally stumbles upon them. Just the logistics of trying to get a body out of some of those places is unimaginable.
34 posted on 10/17/2012 5:47:48 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: Snickering Hound
Fox News needs to do better, these planes were not buried to hide them from the Japanese, they were buried in August 45’ in their crates because that was cheaper than sending them back to Britain.

It's Fox News, they don't exactly have a lot of actual reporters out in the field. Looking at their front page, they consider what Demi Moore thinks to be important.
35 posted on 10/17/2012 5:49:45 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: Lx
It is a miracle to find these aircraft, but because there were thousands and thousands of them made, and because the country and economy quickly switched to peacetime, and of course because the Air Force (soon to be Air Force) and Navy were quickly dropping lots of these aircraft for those spiffy looking jets, so many were lost to the scrap dealers. Lot of good metals tied up in those aircraft.

There was a feller who managed to save a lot of the nose art for a bunch of bombers and donated it - he cut the parts off the aircraft that looked interesting to him, but even then they sat around in his barn, even in the open, for many years.

In hindsight, everybody would have made sure to preserve a lot more aircraft than they did, because I doubt anybody thought that the armed forces and scrap dealers would be able to dispose of so many of them so quickly.
36 posted on 10/17/2012 5:54:14 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: tanknetter

If you google this subject you’ll find other articles referring to very late-Mark Spits. Cannon-armed with Rolls-Royce Griffin engines. These would have been very nasty ground-attack ships.

Late in the war the Japanese invaded India. I think that these planes were buried around that time when the air-strips were under threat of being overrun.


37 posted on 10/17/2012 6:01:33 PM PDT by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: Lx

“I’ve only seen one ME-262 and that was at the Smithsonian Air and Space museum and I think Britain has at least one.”

The Deutsches Museum in Munich has one. One of the finest museums of science, engineering, and technology that I’ve ever seen.


38 posted on 10/17/2012 10:34:35 PM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: skeeter; SkyDancer

Can we put in an order for one?


39 posted on 10/18/2012 3:15:58 AM PDT by Northern Yankee (Where Liberty dwells, there is my Country. - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Slump Tester
Another great one that chronicles the last mission of WW2 is Jim Davis's, The Last Mission. Fascinating.

My father participated in that mission with the 315th Heavy Bombardment Wing, out of Guam.

40 posted on 10/18/2012 3:18:24 AM PDT by Northern Yankee (Where Liberty dwells, there is my Country. - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Northern Yankee
Are you sure that author's name is right? I just went online to our library system here in Columbus and couldn't find it. (Very odd, as they usually have anything I'm looking for!) They have a couple others called "The last mission" though.

There's one by Jim Smith that says "A gripping account of the final American bombing mission of World War II and how it prevented a military coup that would have kept Japan in…"

Is this the one you are talking about?

41 posted on 10/18/2012 4:38:36 AM PDT by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: Slump Tester
Yep... must get more coffee in the morning. Jim Smith is the author. (Sorry about that!)

My father was part of that mission. My dad ended up having to land at Iwo Jima after he lost an engine over Japan. The day he arrived back at Guam the war was over.

42 posted on 10/18/2012 5:43:47 PM PDT by Northern Yankee (Where Liberty dwells, there is my Country. - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Northern Yankee
That's really something! Is he in the book? I saw a documentary about the end of the war called "Japan's Longest Day" that I think may have had that mission in it. I wonder if he's in there?

I had a friend who's late father-in-law was one of the team that loaded the bomb on the Enola Gay. He found him in some documentary footage!

Thanks for the heads up - I just reserved it.

43 posted on 10/18/2012 7:23:02 PM PDT by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: Slump Tester
You'll enjoy the book.

My father isn't mentioned in the book, but my brothers and I did contact him before he died, and said he remembered my father. (Jim was the radio operator for the B-29 Boomerang.)

My brothers and I also keep in contact with the 315th Bombardment Group, NW Field, Guam. Lots of sons and daughters have taken over for their fathers who have passed away. We try to keep the memories alive of the 315th Group. We had a few e-mails with Jim Smith. He was a delightful man.

Let me know what you think of the book.

Warmest regards,

Jay

44 posted on 10/19/2012 3:41:54 AM PDT by Northern Yankee (Where Liberty dwells, there is my Country. - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: ccmay; Lx
"I’ve only seen one ME-262 and that was at the Smithsonian Air and Space museum and I think Britain has at least one."

You could always build your own.

45 posted on 10/19/2012 3:57:11 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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