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A U.S. Envoy Who Plunged Into Arab Life
The NY Times ^ | September 15, 2012 | STEVEN ERLANGER

Posted on 09/15/2012 7:13:31 PM PDT by RitchieAprile

J. Christopher Stevens, the American ambassador to Libya who was killed in an assault on a diplomatic mission there last week, was happy to gossip, but was revered for listening. A northern Californian with a toothy grin, he had a passion for the Arab world and its language, and he went out of his way to use it, whether with officials or shopkeepers, in an effort to show respect.

In his willingness to allow others to be heard, even when he had an important message to impart, Mr. Stevens was an unusual American diplomat, friends and colleagues say. He allowed himself to be governed by the habits, proprieties and slower pace of the Arab world.

With the State Department on high alert for security threats, especially since the Sept. 11 attacks, and many American diplomats consigned to embassies that resemble fortresses and armored motorcades that do not make unscheduled stops, Mr. Stevens plunged into Arab social life. He traded personal risk for personal contact.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government
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1 posted on 09/15/2012 7:13:35 PM PDT by RitchieAprile
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To: RitchieAprile

“northern Californian explains a lot. Let me guess, Marin County.


2 posted on 09/15/2012 7:14:56 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: RitchieAprile

And at the end, Arab life apparently plunged into him.


3 posted on 09/15/2012 7:15:57 PM PDT by RichInOC ("In the name of Allah, The Inexorable, The Irresistible...")
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To: Lurker

Berkley grad.


4 posted on 09/15/2012 7:17:15 PM PDT by zerosix (Native sunflower)
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To: RitchieAprile

Reminds me of the frog and the scorpion..


5 posted on 09/15/2012 7:17:28 PM PDT by Monty22002
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To: RitchieAprile

>> He traded personal risk for personal contact.

So it was inevitable. /s

Nothing to see here, move along...


6 posted on 09/15/2012 7:18:29 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: RitchieAprile

Do you s’pose he fancied himself a new T.E. Lawrence?


7 posted on 09/15/2012 7:19:47 PM PDT by shhrubbery! (NIH!)
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To: RitchieAprile

Not surprisingly, the evidence that he was gay is ignored by the Times, as if that fact would have no bearing on what happened to him.


8 posted on 09/15/2012 7:19:58 PM PDT by Misterioso (Trying to explain music is like trying to dance architecture. -- Thelonious Monk)
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To: shhrubbery!
In the end, he definitely was, so to speak.
9 posted on 09/15/2012 7:21:32 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: shhrubbery!

Was Lawrence a flaming homo?


10 posted on 09/15/2012 7:22:44 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: shhrubbery!

Possibly.
Old T.E. Lawrence would likely have been gay in todays culture.

Arab culture has a strange appeal to many people like that.
There are plenty of similar cases among British officials.


11 posted on 09/15/2012 7:23:49 PM PDT by buwaya
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To: Lurker

No Piedmont and later Oakland, where his 90 yrs mother still live.


12 posted on 09/15/2012 7:26:15 PM PDT by jennychase
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To: RitchieAprile

You mean, Arab life plunged into him. Fatally.


13 posted on 09/15/2012 7:26:16 PM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (I will fear no muslim))
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To: Lurker

Nevada, Yolo and Alameda are in there, but I am not sure he ever lived in Marin.


14 posted on 09/15/2012 7:28:03 PM PDT by aposiopetic
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To: RichInOC

I think the guy was a well-intentioned individual who thought that by ingratiating himself with the Libyan populace, they would see that he was only there to help their countrymen. Apparently, he didn’t read the Koran very thoroughly or if at all. A useful martyr for the SD and Obama.


15 posted on 09/15/2012 7:39:32 PM PDT by princeofdarkness (The Obama Administration is circling the wagons. But the Truth Indians are using flaming arrows.)
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To: Misterioso
The rags don't really care what your orientation is if they catch you because they aren't going to ask for your permission; it's just a power trip and dominance thing to them- and they do like blonde males. Just look at Mogadishu.

If you think these people would treat you any different if you got shot down in crowd of hundreds you're as starry-eyed as he.

16 posted on 09/15/2012 7:39:32 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: RitchieAprile

does anyone suppose the lybians knew he was gay ?
Is the state dept. in their right mind by sending a gay ambassador to a muslim country ?


17 posted on 09/15/2012 7:40:55 PM PDT by stylin19a (Obama -> Ransom "Rance" Stoddard)
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To: Lurker
He was born in Grass Valley, California. His mother was a cellist for the Marin symphony orchestra.

According to Wikipedia he was a Peace Corps volunteer in Morocco for two years so that may be where he learned Arabic.

He had a BA in history which is a good backgroud for the foreign service. Also it helps to know an exotic language. But maybe the lesson is to pick an exotic language whose speakers are not given to attacking embassies and murdering people.

18 posted on 09/15/2012 7:47:52 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: RitchieAprile

“Chris had fallen in love with Libya’s revolution. At the end, those very forces whose influence he thought would be curbed had claimed his life.”


19 posted on 09/15/2012 7:48:39 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: RitchieAprile

Sounds like the guy up in Alaska who thought he could be friends with the bears.


20 posted on 09/15/2012 7:51:54 PM PDT by Ditto (Nov 2, 2010 -- Partial cleaning accomplished. More trash to remove in 2012)
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To: stylin19a

Our current state dept is into magical thinking, And the poor ambassador obviously figured that he could make friends with a cobra and it wouldn’t bite him.


21 posted on 09/15/2012 7:52:41 PM PDT by Aria ( 2008 wasn't an election - it was a coup d'etat.)
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To: Lurker

Piedmont — Alameda County. I think he was born in San Francisco.


22 posted on 09/15/2012 8:02:35 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic (Joe Biden is reported to be seeking asylum in a foreign country so he does not have to debate Ryan.)
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To: Misterioso

This is interesting. I originally read it through Riehl World News (Mark Levin gives hat tips to these guys sometimes)

http://hillbuzz.org/breaking-news-two-sources-in-chicago-diplomatic-circles-identify-ambassador-chris-stevens-as-gay-meaning-state-department-sent-gay-man-to-be-ambassador-to-libya-64291

“I’m forever perplexed that actual reporters don’t camp out in these sorts of places because great scoops are very easy to find if you just go in there and ask questions. The Serbian consulate employee identified himself to me as “Dino” and wouldn’t give me any more of a name than that, but told me it was no secret that Chris Stevens was gay and that “it was stupid to send him to Libya as the ambassador when he was a known homosexual”.

Dino explained in great detail that the brutal sodomizing of Stevens’ corpse was something that Muslims do to show the “utmost disrespect to the body” and that this is “a great insult in Islam” reserved for homosexuals. ”It is like making him a woman in death and he will be a woman now after life” the Serbian explained to me. There’s a good chance this guy was Muslim too, and gay, which makes my head spin more than a little since he seemed to have no anger at all in his voice that Muslims in Libya assassinated the American ambassador and then sodomized his corpse.

“He should not have gone there” was the general consensus from this man.
You won’t hear any of this in the media, no doubt, but in Chicago’s diplomatic circles at least there is no doubt that Chris Stevens was gay and that pretty much anyone in the diplomatic world knew that. That includes the Libyans who were hired as security at the consulate in Benghazi who betrayed Ambassador Stevens and assisted in his murder.”

Read more http://hillbuzz.org/breaking-news-two-sources-in-chicago-diplomatic-circles-identify-ambassador-chris-stevens-as-gay-meaning-state-department-sent-gay-man-to-be-ambassador-to-libya-64291


23 posted on 09/15/2012 8:27:30 PM PDT by freeagle
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To: Lurker
“northern Californian explains a lot. Let me guess, Marin County."

My immediate thought - that, Santa Cruz or Berkeley. So I looked it up - Marin Co guy - went to Berkeley. I'm sorry for him dying, but I honestly can't help but feel it began long ago. I hope he enjoyed the life he lived. It looks like he did because he obviously felt he was doing meaningful things and he tried to make a difference.

24 posted on 09/15/2012 8:32:52 PM PDT by Baynative
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To: Lurker

Piedmont — Alameda County. I think he was born in San Francisco.


25 posted on 09/15/2012 8:39:13 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic (Joe Biden is reported to be seeking asylum in a foreign country so he does not have to debate Ryan.)
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To: RitchieAprile

A lot of people like deadly snakes too.

But you can’t trust them any more than you can trust a muslim.


26 posted on 09/15/2012 8:43:10 PM PDT by Iron Munro ("In any compromise between good and evil, it is only evil that can profit." - Ayn Rand)
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To: ilovesarah2012

I was curious about how long he had been there.

I seems he had been in Libya before in other functions. In the ME for a very long time.

But from what I coud tell had only been an ambassador since June 2012.

He was obviously very idealistic.

Probably not the only reason this travesty happened, but it sure didn’t help.


27 posted on 09/15/2012 9:08:24 PM PDT by berdie
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To: freeagle
Shhhh...The Hillbuzz article has been disappeared on this site. There are those here who find such things well difficult to really accept. This fellow seems to have been semi-closeted having a wife and two children. In the lands of the goat intercoursers he could act out his fantasies ala Lawrence of Arabia with muzzie males. The muzzies tolerated him as long as he was good for something and then showed what they really felt about foreigners cruising for queer sex with the sons of the prophet. Our political and cultural elites are far more corrupt and screwed up than any of us want to believe. G-d help us.
28 posted on 09/15/2012 9:22:42 PM PDT by robowombat
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To: RitchieAprile

The NYTs is blaming the victim to provide cover for Obama.


29 posted on 09/15/2012 9:29:36 PM PDT by death2tyrants
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Lots of nonsense here: all professional diplomats (career foreign service officers) posted to substantive positions in Arab speaking countries speak Arabic. It is true that not all are sensitive to Muslim sensibilities or sympathetic to Arab aspirations: after 9/11, how could they be? There must be some reason the Times is crazy about this guy: is it that the Canadians, Brit journalists and Palestinians like him? He was a brave man and may he rest in peace. But praise from the vermin at the America-hating Times sullies his memory.
30 posted on 09/15/2012 9:54:36 PM PDT by Godwin1
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To: Lurker

San Francisco went to Berkeley for law school....the guy is a well known homosexual


31 posted on 09/15/2012 10:37:53 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: shhrubbery!

in more ways than one


32 posted on 09/15/2012 10:40:17 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: x

Well, that didn’t take long...


33 posted on 09/15/2012 10:53:03 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: shhrubbery!
Do you s’pose he fancied himself a new T.E. Lawrence?

Lawrence died in 1935, at age 46, from a motorcycle accident in the UK.

34 posted on 09/15/2012 11:08:35 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: afraidfortherepublic

He was born in Grass Valley which is a small town in Nevada County about 25 miles north of Auburn—foothills of the Sierras, I think.


35 posted on 09/16/2012 10:19:23 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: robowombat
I don't think Stevens was ever married--I think the other man whose name was released right away (it took them a day or two to identify the SEALS) had a wife and children.

As far as I know, the rumors about Stevens are still just rumors. At any rate he was not killed because of his sexual preferences, whatever they were, but because he was the US ambassador...and because of Hillary's regulations which caused him to be in a hostile situation with no weapons in the hands of anyone trustworthy.

36 posted on 09/16/2012 10:26:26 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: robowombat

Why has the Hillbuzz article disappeared from this site? I’m unfamiliar with Hillbuzz other than this article and that originally there was a link from a reputable site.


37 posted on 09/16/2012 10:42:55 AM PDT by freeagle
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To: Verginius Rufus

But raised in Piedmont, CA. Early reports said he was born in SF. They must have been wrong.


38 posted on 09/16/2012 10:57:34 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic (Joe Biden is reported to be seeking asylum in a foreign country so he does not have to debate Ryan.)
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To: robowombat

He was never married and left no children. Another person who was murdered left a wife and 2 children. Also, a former room-mate and long time fried of Stevens has a wife and 2 children. You are conflating bios.


39 posted on 09/16/2012 11:02:27 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic (Joe Biden is reported to be seeking asylum in a foreign country so he does not have to debate Ryan.)
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To: princeofdarkness

I think he was very well informed indeed.
And he knew the risks.

T.E. Lawrence is a very good example of the type. There have been a LOT of British “Lawrence of Arabias”. They were successful to a degree, because it is in fact not extraordinary that a sympathetic foreigner can organize an irregular Arab armed force, or can stir up a revolt, or can even generate fierce personal loyalty.

And it does not seem to matter much if they are homosexual. Plenty of Arabs are, and plenty of Arab leaders.

Also typical of the type is a rather paternalistic view of the Arabs as an endearing but rather hopeless lot. Lawrence certainly didn’t think much of their prospects. His defensive attitude towards them seems to have been a mix of loyalty to his friends (the Hashemite royals) and the sort of protective feelings a naturalist has to an endangered species.


40 posted on 09/16/2012 11:18:27 AM PDT by buwaya
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To: Lurker
“northern Californian explains a lot. Let me guess, Marin County.

Let me give you a clue. People in Northern Cal don't include the bay area as part of Northern Cal, in fact the whole west coast is not considered Northern CA. The true northern Cal is over here on the slopes of the Sierra Neveda, North of Stockton on up to the border or Oregon. In fact the Northwest coast of CA is far more liberal than the southern half. If this guy had come from the real Northern Cal he would have been conservative as he** and would never have helped with the so called "Arab Spring".

Fat lot of good came from his embracing "the arab life" as the article put it. All it did was get him and others killed and the violence isn't over yet and won't be until we(the USA)responds with a power that will stop this sh** once and for all.

41 posted on 09/16/2012 11:41:16 AM PDT by calex59
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To: RitchieAprile

This guy went native, swallowing hook line and sinker the Arab culture he knew he had become an expert in. I wonder if he was praying to Allah in his final moments? I would not be surprised.

To me and most freepers the Islamic Arab culture is idiotic and what you get from generations of first cousin marriage and inbreeding to keep the dowry within the clan. Not to mention the negatives that Islam contributes


42 posted on 09/16/2012 11:52:34 AM PDT by dennisw (Government be yo mamma - Re-elect Barack Obama)
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To: calex59

Listen friend, my wife is from Sonoma Cty and they certainly consider themselves NorCal. My in laws live in Placer County and they barely consider themselves Californian anymore.


43 posted on 09/16/2012 2:37:04 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: cynwoody

Wow. Pretty striking.


44 posted on 09/16/2012 5:42:34 PM PDT by shhrubbery! (NIH!)
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To: Lurker

We, on this side of California, don’t consider the west coast northern cal, not with places like Fort Bragg and other towns and counties infested with liberals. What your wife, and other people from liberal land on the west coast, thinks is her/their business(but they are wrong).


45 posted on 09/16/2012 11:46:54 PM PDT by calex59
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