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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
We have something here called ‘Freedom of Speech’ and YOU more than ANYONE represent that freedom.

Don't be ridiculous. Of course we have Freedom of Speech which is why General Dempsey had to ASK the idiot pastor to stop endangering American lives and did not ORDER him to do so.

15 posted on 09/12/2012 12:13:42 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Alter Kaker

You’re defending him? You should cancel your FR account and disappear.


45 posted on 09/12/2012 12:19:44 PM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: Alter Kaker

Interesting that JCS called the pastor and not Sec State. Oh, wait, Her Highness has to keep her nose clean for 2016.


64 posted on 09/12/2012 12:25:24 PM PDT by tgusa (gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger .......)
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To: Alter Kaker

Understand. But at the same time a flag officer is a man who occupies a very powerful position. When he make a phone call to a private citizen it’s not like someone from the house down the block calling to ask you to clean up after your dog.


76 posted on 09/12/2012 12:29:39 PM PDT by RavenATB
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To: Alter Kaker

Understand. But at the same time a flag officer is a man who occupies a very powerful position. When he makes a phone call to a private citizen it’s not like someone from the house down the block calling to ask you to clean up after your dog.


79 posted on 09/12/2012 12:29:52 PM PDT by RavenATB
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To: Alter Kaker

WHY is an arm of the US governement doing this? By what authority?


115 posted on 09/12/2012 12:46:51 PM PDT by PghBaldy (I am sick of Obama and his apologies, especially after 11 September 2012.)
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To: Alter Kaker

A military officer has no business whatsoever asking a civilian to do or not do anything. Period.


119 posted on 09/12/2012 12:47:47 PM PDT by MeganC (The Cinemark theatre in Aurora, CO is a 'Gun Free Zone'. Spread the word.)
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To: Alter Kaker

Why do you call him an idiot pastor?

Because he has the guts to burn a Koran?

Maybe he’s an idiot because you are too chicken to stand up for Freedom of Speech, and he isn’t?

Maybe because you don’t know that Pastor Jones had NOTHING to do with the murder of US citizens.


131 posted on 09/12/2012 12:53:30 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Alter Kaker
Don't be ridiculous. Of course we have Freedom of Speech which is why General Dempsey had to ASK the idiot pastor to stop endangering American lives and did not ORDER him to do so.

That's like this quisling general going into a bar and ASKING the patrons to help him support prohibition.....

153 posted on 09/12/2012 1:02:57 PM PDT by papertyger
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To: Alter Kaker
Don't be ridiculous. Of course we have Freedom of Speech which is why General Dempsey had to ASK the idiot pastor to stop endangering American lives and did not ORDER him to do so.

So, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff is now a propaganda enforcer for POTUS and you support that?

155 posted on 09/12/2012 1:03:54 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: Alter Kaker; GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
Don't be ridiculous. Of course we have Freedom of Speech which is why General Dempsey had to ASK the idiot pastor to stop endangering American lives and did not ORDER him to do so.

He didn't "ask" him.

He asked him AND put that event in the major media so that

1. America had a fundamentalist to blame for the death of an ambassador....and not an islamic fundamentalist, and

2. Obama could hide behind a military uniform

166 posted on 09/12/2012 1:10:16 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Alter Kaker

Your distinction is meaningless and dangerous.

The Gestapo also started by “asking” people to do certain things.

If you as a Freeper cannot see that a question like this by the military leader of the armed forces departs the realm of a polite request and enters firmly the domain of government restrictions of speech, we are doomed.


173 posted on 09/12/2012 1:15:27 PM PDT by mwilli20 (BO. Making communists proud all over the world.)
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To: Alter Kaker
Don't be ridiculous. Of course we have Freedom of Speech which is why General Dempsey had to ASK the idiot pastor to stop endangering American lives and did not ORDER him to do so.

You do comprehend that this action has nothing at all to do with "asking". It's intimidation. And it's the act of a eunuch general, frankly.

I could just see Patton "asking" a US journalist to stop mocking Hitler because it might make the Nazis mad.
177 posted on 09/12/2012 1:17:10 PM PDT by Antoninus (Sorry, gone rogue.)
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To: Alter Kaker
Why do you call Terry Jones an "idiot pastor"

What in your opinion makes him an idiot? I thought the video was funny

179 posted on 09/12/2012 1:18:55 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: Alter Kaker

Point is: The General had no business making that call to begin with.


186 posted on 09/12/2012 1:22:05 PM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: Alter Kaker

On the surface, you’re right. No problem with one person asking another to reconsider continuing 1A-protected speech.

Below that surface, when the director of the most powerful military on the planet “asks” you to do something, you don’t consider it a simple man-to-man request.


190 posted on 09/12/2012 1:23:41 PM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: Alter Kaker; tgusa; RavenATB; PghBaldy; MeganC; Responsibility2nd; papertyger; elkfersupper; ...

One ringie dingie.....

Two ringie dinies! (snort!)

Hello, Mr. Kaker?

Yes, this is Secretary of Homeland Security, Janet Napolitano. How are you this lovely afternoon?

Excellent. I just want to say how interesting I find your posts on Free Republic. They’re really a hoot sometimes, and we in the Administration appreciate some humor and your occassional support of us.

Nonetheless, it has unfortunately come to our attention that some of your posts have needlessley inflamed the Occupy Wallstreet Movement.

Yes, yes, they are a rowdy bunch. And they smell a bit too. Anyhoo, some of them have become violent as you may have noticed in the media.

So, I just want to ASK you politely if you would refrain from posting anything that that Occupy Wall Street movement might find offensive?

You know, anything like a defense of Free Markets or Speech. You know how it riles them up! And we at the Department really don’t need any more headaches.

I’m sure you understand.

For example, it would be tragic if anything were to happen to that nice dog “Fluffy” you’re holding or if that prop-job you’re taking to Sheboygan next week were to be, ah, “affected” shall we say by any of your anti-Occupy Wall Street postings.

So! Until next time, Mr. Kaker! You have a great day, and don’t cross any busy streets! Those OWS people can be so unpredictable, you know.


193 posted on 09/12/2012 1:26:05 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (You didn't build that. The private sector is doing fine. We tried our plan and it worked.)
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To: Alter Kaker

I think you’re missing the point. A US Army General called a private citizen and asked him to engage in self-censorship.

I think the outrage is that a US Army General is mostly occupied with the very complicated job of drawing up plans for holding on to enemy territory during times of war. His job isn’t to ask law-abiding citizens to self-censor because Libya decided to declare war on the US by invading our embassy.

I would like to see the reaction from Russia had their embassy had been invaded.


195 posted on 09/12/2012 1:27:32 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs (Does beheading qualify as 'breaking my back', in the Jeffersonian sense of the expression?)
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To: Alter Kaker
Don't be ridiculous.

That's just precious!

Bless your heart!

200 posted on 09/12/2012 1:30:27 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: Alter Kaker
AK, I urge you to rethink your position in this case.

General Dempsey has many offical duties, all centering around the military defense of the United States. He certainly has no role in advising private citizens as to the content of their political speech (if you regard Jones's speech as political) or their religious speech (if you regard it as religious) or the free expression of their idiocy (which is probably what it is.)

If Dempsey had made this call on his own time and his own dime, and without further publicity, it would possibly be justifiable; but to do it apparently in his official capacity (announced by his spokesman) is clearly an attempt to use the prestige and authority of his office to have a "chilling effect" on civilian speech.

We can incline towards Dempsey's point of view while still seeing that he is abusing his position.

The fact that it was publicized shows that he hopes that his efforts will extend beyong chilling Jones, to chilling everybody.

Jones's idiocy has nothing to do with it. Dempsey's efforts are incipient tyranny.

205 posted on 09/12/2012 1:35:57 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to God" - Ben Franklin's proposed motto for the Seal of the U.S.)
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To: Alter Kaker
Don't be ridiculous. Of course we have Freedom of Speech which is why General Dempsey had to ASK the idiot pastor to stop endangering American lives and did not ORDER him to do so.

That's either sarcasm and you forgot the sarcasm tag, or you're a complete idiot. I hope you just forgot the "/s". A member of the government never "asks" a private citizen anything. It can't be done Behind every word they say lurks "the government". It's why freedom of speech had to be written into the Constitution instead of just being assumed.

212 posted on 09/12/2012 1:39:57 PM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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