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Leader of anti-Semitic party in Hungary discovers he is Jewish
The Star ^ | August 16, 2012 | Pablo Gorondi

Posted on 09/04/2012 1:30:22 AM PDT by Cronos

BUDAPEST, HUNGARY—As a rising star in Hungary’s far-right Jobbik Party, Csanad Szegedi was notorious for his incendiary comments on Jews: He accused them of “buying up” the country, railed about the “Jewishness” of the political elite and claimed Jews were desecrating national symbols.

Then came a revelation that knocked him off his perch as ultra-nationalist standard-bearer: Szegedi himself is a Jew.

Following weeks of Internet rumours, Szegedi acknowledged in June that his grandparents on his mother’s side were Jews — making him one too under Jewish law, even though he doesn’t practice the faith. His grandmother was an Auschwitz survivor and his grandfather a veteran of forced labour camps.

Since then, the 30-year-old has become a pariah in Jobbik and his political career is on the brink of collapse. He declined to be interviewed for this story.

At the root of the drama is an audio tape of a 2010 meeting between Szegedi and a convicted felon. Szegedi acknowledges that the meeting took place but contends the tape was altered in unspecified ways; Jobbik considers it real.

In the recording, the felon is heard confronting Szegedi with evidence of his Jewish roots. Szegedi sounds surprised, then offers money and favours in exchange for keeping quiet.

Under pressure, Szegedi resigned last month from all party positions and gave up his Jobbik membership. That wasn’t good enough for the party: Last week it asked him to give up his seat in the European Parliament as well. Jobbik says its issue is the suspected bribery, not his Jewish roots.

Szegedi came to prominence in 2007 as a founding member of the Hungarian Guard, a group whose black uniforms and striped flags recalled the Arrow Cross, a pro-Nazi party which briefly governed Hungary at the end of World War II and killed thousands of Jews. In all, 550,000 Hungarian Jews were killed during the Holocaust, most of them after being sent in trains to death camps like Auschwitz. The Hungarian Guard was banned by the courts in 2009.

By then, Szegedi had already joined the Jobbik Party, which was launched in 2003 to become the country’s biggest far-right political force. He soon became one of its most vocal and visible members, and a pillar of the party leadership. Since 2009, he has served in the European Parliament in Brussels as one of the party’s three EU lawmakers, a position he says he wants to keep.

The fallout of Szegedi’s ancestry saga has extended to his business interests. Jobbik executive director Gabor Szabo is pulling out of an Internet site selling nationalist Hungarian merchandise that he owns with Szegedi. Szabo said his sister has resigned as Szegedi’s personal assistant.

In the 2010 tape, former convict Zoltan Ambrus is heard telling Szegedi that he has documents proving Szegedi is Jewish. The right-wing politician seems genuinely surprised by the news — and offers EU funds and a possible EU job to Ambrus to hush it up.

Ambrus, who served time in prison on a weapons and explosives conviction, apparently rejected the bribes. He said he secretly taped the conversation as part of an internal Jobbik power struggle aimed at ousting Szegedi from a local party leadership post. The party’s reaction was swift.

“We have no alternative but to ask him to return his EU mandate,” said Jobbik president Gabor Vona. “Jobbik does not investigate the heritage of its members or leadership, but instead takes into consideration what they have done for the nation.”

Szegedi’s experience is not unique: The Holocaust was a taboo subject during Hungary’s decades of communist rule that ended in 1990, and many survivors chose to keep their ordeals to themselves. Russian far-right firebrand Vladimir Zhirinovsky was anti-Semitic until he acknowledged in 2001 that his father was Jewish.

Szegedi, who was raised Presbyterian, acknowledged his Jewish origins in June interviews with Hungarian media, including news broadcaster Hir TV and Barikad, Jobbik’s weekly magazine. He said that after the meeting with Ambrus, he had a long conversation with his grandmother, who spoke about her family’s past as Orthodox Jews.

“It was then that it dawned on me that my grandmother really is Jewish,” Szegedi told Hir TV. “I asked her how the deportations happened. She was in Auschwitz and Dachau and she was the only survivor in the extended family.”

Judaism is traced from mother to child, meaning that under Jewish law Szegedi is Jewish. Szegedi said he defines himself as someone with “ancestry of Jewish origin — because I declare myself 100 per cent Hungarian.”

In the interview with Hir TV, Szegedi denied ever having made anti-Semitic statements, but several of his speeches and media appearances show otherwise.

In a November 2010 interview on Hungarian state television, Szegedi blamed the large-scale privatization of state assets after the end of communism on “people in the Hungarian political elite who shielded themselves in their Jewishness.”

Speaking on a morning program in late 2010, he said that “the problem the radical right has with the Jews” was that Jewish artists, actors and intellectuals had desecrated Hungary’s national symbols like the Holy Crown of St. Stephen, the country’s first Christian king.

Szegedi also complained of “massive real estate purchases being done in Hungary, where — it’s no secret — they want to bring in Israeli residents.”

Szegedi met in early August with Rabbi Slomo Koves, of Hungary’s Orthodox Chabad-Lubavitch community, whose own parents were in their teens when they discovered they were Jewish.

“As a rabbi ... it is my duty to receive every person who is in a situation of crisis and especially a Jew who has just now faced his heritage,” Koves said.

During the meeting, Szegedi apologized for any statements which may have offended the Jewish community, and vowed to visit Auschwitz to pay his respects.

Koves described the conversation as “difficult and spiritually stressful,” but said he is hopeful for a successful outcome.

“Csanad Szegedi is in the middle of a difficult process of reparation, self-knowledge, re-evaluation and learning, which according to our hopes and interests, should conclude in a positive manner,” Koves said. “Whether this will occur or not is first and foremost up to him.”


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: hungary; nazi; racist
The roots of recent Hungarian anti-semitism date to 1918, but the a-s party harkens back to ancient history calling on incidenets like on August 29, 1526 when the Hungarians lost to the Ottoman Turks and deserted Buda (Budapest). The Jews who remained in the abandoned city gave the grand vizier the keys to the abandoned fort and thereby securing eternal bad propaganda pieces against them

Things got better after the revolutions of 1848 and the population was 5% of the Jewish faith

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But the immediate and present reasons given by the a-s party is that after WWI when there was a brief communist rule in Hungary, the revolutionary leaders were all (except 1) of Jewish origin (note: origin, most were converts or athiests) like the leader Bela Kun (Bela Kohen) -- sufficient fodder for anti-semites.

during the communist rule from 1945 there were others of Jewish background (but not, I repeat NOT practising Jews) -- like Erno Gero (the head of state in the 50s) and Peter Gabor (head of the secret police). Let me repeat -- these were of Jewish background only, were NOT practising Jews and might be classified as anti-semitic themselves, but most people don't care for finer details and would use this as a stick.

Now they are just 0.5% of the total population but many people must have some Jewish blood in them (you can't have a large population living side by side without some dissemination) so the entire anti-semitism to me seems illogical.

1 posted on 09/04/2012 1:30:27 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: Cronos
Szegedi met in early August with Rabbi Slomo Koves, of Hungary’s Orthodox Chabad-Lubavitch community, whose own parents were in their teens when they discovered they were Jewish.

During the meeting, Szegedi apologized for any statements which may have offended the Jewish community, and vowed to visit Auschwitz to pay his respects.

What I see here is a politician now cast out by his political base and now seeking to build a new base. Political survivalism.

I don’t see much hope for him.

2 posted on 09/04/2012 2:02:16 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Cronos

“anti-Semitic party in Hungary”

Hmmm, so in other words they have Democrats there as well.


3 posted on 09/04/2012 2:39:21 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Someday our schools we will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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To: Cronos
Leader of anti-Semitic party in Hungary finds out that he's Jewish

Whoops! Don't you hate when that happens?....

4 posted on 09/04/2012 2:47:47 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: Cronos

Ironically, the person most responsible for the deportations and deaths of Hungarian Jews during the Nazi occupation was a Jew, Erich Kastner, a so-called leader of the Jewish community. Kastner and other Jewish leaders were warned about what really awaited the Jews at the exterminatation camps by two heroic escapees from Auschwitz. Kastner used the information to get his own family and a select group out of Hungary, and concealed the information from the rest of the population, allowing hundreds of thousands of Hungarian Jews to go blindly into being slaughtered.
Kastner went to live in Israel, where he was assassinated for his heinous crimes in Tel Aviv in the mid 1950s.


5 posted on 09/04/2012 2:48:31 AM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: kabumpo

I did not know that


6 posted on 09/04/2012 2:51:22 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Cronos

shades of Hitler. History repeating itself.


7 posted on 09/04/2012 3:09:21 AM PDT by chainsaw ("Two ways to conquer and enslave a nation. One is by the sword. The other is by debt.")
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To: Cronos

This information changed my life and was the beginning of what I consider to be my radicalisation. The name of the escapee who wrote a book about this was Rudi Vreba. They should have renamed Tel Aviv after him.
This was what made me begin to see the inherent corruption in so-called leadership, and the way that true history has been suppressed.


8 posted on 09/04/2012 3:15:36 AM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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kabumpo: "Ironically, the person most responsible for the deportations and deaths of Hungarian Jews during the Nazi occupation was a Jew..."

The person most responsible for the deportations and deaths of Hungarian Jews during the Nazi occupation was Adolf Hitler, whose grandfather, so it is said, was Jewish.

9 posted on 09/04/2012 3:25:07 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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Really? And if an armed thug is on their way to your house to kill you, and I know his intention and plan, and I inform the police and the mayor of your town with all the details, and they don’t give you the information so thatch you can be prepared, take action and.defend yourself - and the thug comes and kills you - wouldn’t blame fall on the authorities who had the information but chose to conceal it from you?


10 posted on 09/04/2012 3:40:15 AM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: Cronos

So what. 0bama’s half white. Yet, his policies often are in favor of Black, and put the whites in a disadvantage position.


11 posted on 09/04/2012 3:43:11 AM PDT by paudio (Post-racial society: When we can legitimately hire and fire a Black man without feeling guilty.)
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kambumpo: "...wouldn’t blame fall on the authorities who had the information but chose to conceal it from you?"

Of course, no disagreement.
I mearly point out that Hitler himself is said to have been 1/4 Jewish, and without Hitler's directions none of the Holocaust could happen.

12 posted on 09/04/2012 4:04:52 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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I kind of doubt that, there are stories about it, but I doubt it.


13 posted on 09/04/2012 4:20:21 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: BroJoeK; chainsaw

No serious historian believes that there is any credible evidence that Hitler’s paternal grandfather was Jewish.


14 posted on 09/04/2012 4:45:29 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The Democratic Party strongly supports full civil rights for necro-Americans!)
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To: Unam Sanctam

There’s a story out there that Khomeini had a jewish background and also Achmenijad is a jewish name. They’re everywhere. :^)


15 posted on 09/04/2012 4:50:15 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (.Are they stupid, malicious or evil?)
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Cronos: "I kind of doubt that, there are stories about it, but I doubt it."

Lonesome in Massachussets: "No serious historian believes that there is any credible evidence that Hitler’s paternal grandfather was Jewish."

To Cronos & Lonesome:

Check this out: a summary of evidence for Hitler's Jewish ancestry.

The story makes sense to me, and sheds light on Hitler's violent anti-Semitism.

16 posted on 09/04/2012 7:09:11 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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To: Jabba the Nutt

I heard that Jesus was a Jew as well! They are everywhere!


17 posted on 09/04/2012 7:46:48 AM PDT by sagar
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To: sagar

On the weekend, I read that some Imam said that “anti-semitism was incompatible with Islam”. Whew! Talk about delusional.


18 posted on 09/04/2012 10:57:02 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (.Are they stupid, malicious or evil?)
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To: BroJoeK
The person most responsible for the deportations and deaths of Hungarian Jews during the Nazi occupation was Adolf Hitler, whose grandfather, so it is said, was Jewish.
Alois's father was George Heidler, his mother's uncle and husband. Alois's mother was a grand-daughter of his father's brother. Hitler wasn't Jewish, just an inbred Schiklegrubber and Heidler.
19 posted on 09/04/2012 2:43:15 PM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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rmlew: "Hitler wasn't Jewish, just an inbred Schiklegrubber and Heidler."

I think, if you study the link carefully, you'll see that every claim and objection has been answered.

Obviously, there is no "proof", but it's worth noting how much effort Hitler himself took to make certain of that.

And Hitler's own Jewish ancestry sheds interesting light on his violent anti-Semitism.

20 posted on 09/04/2012 5:12:04 PM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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To: BroJoeK

You want to find a source that doesn’t call Zionists Nazis? Lloyd has an ax to grind.


21 posted on 09/04/2012 5:38:38 PM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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rmlew: "You want to find a source that doesn’t call Zionists Nazis?
Lloyd has an ax to grind."

Say what??
I know nothing about Lloyd Thomas, but the site looks legit, certainly not anti-Semitic -- and nothing about "Zionists Nazis".

Indeed, here is their home page.
What's the problem?

Here is another site reporting on DNA analysis.

And here is a pretty good summary -- fair and balanced -- of the whole discussion.

So the bottom line:
There are very old claims that Hitler's grandfather was Jewish, and some evidence, including DNA, supporting them.
There is no convincing evidence otherwise.

Of course, you are free to believe what you wish about it, but I'll say again: it certainly sheds light on Hitler's violent anti-Semitism.

Indeed, what other explanation comes anywhere as close?

22 posted on 09/06/2012 1:59:58 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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I know nothing about Lloyd Thomas, but the site looks legit, certainly not anti-Semitic -- and nothing about "Zionists Nazis".
I suggest that you read a bit more carefully. About a third of the way down the page on the right side, below the picture of Auschwitz victims, there is an Israeli flag, with a Swastika and a caption "See also: Zionist Fascism". This should be a dead giveaway. http://www.lloydthomas.org/Graphics/Israel-nazi.gif

What's the problem?
I don't feel like spending an hour pointing out each historical inaccuracy.

There are very old claims that Hitler's grandfather was Jewish, and some evidence, including DNA, supporting them. There is no convincing evidence otherwise.
Plenty of Germans and Czechs have some Jewish Ancestry. Figuring out where and when is the hard part.

Indeed, what other explanation comes anywhere as close?
German Romantic Nationalism and the Volkisch movement? Go read the works of Wilhelm Marr, who coined the term anti-Semitic, to explain his modern, scientific, racial hatred of Jews and differentiated it from the medieval religious Judenhass (Jew Hate). Karl Leuger of the Christian Social Party was elected a few times as mayor of Vienna on a platform attacking Jews, especially those from the east. Hitler was fond of Leuger.

23 posted on 09/06/2012 11:26:30 PM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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rmlew: "About a third of the way down the page on the right side, below the picture of Auschwitz victims, there is an Israeli flag, with a Swastika and a caption "See also: Zionist Fascism".
This should be a dead giveaway."

Sorry, my bad -- did not intend to provide a link to lunatics.

rmlew: "Plenty of Germans and Czechs have some Jewish Ancestry."

So, you agree it would not be so unusual to find that Hitler too had Jewish ancestors?

We should note again that allegations of Hitler's Jewish grandfather came early and came from people close to Hitler.
Those could just as easily claim some other scandal -- i.e., illegitimate birth, incestuous parents, etc. -- but they chose Jewish ancestry for a reason, political doubtless, but also likely that is what they knew.

rmlew: "Hitler was fond of Leuger."

Did Leuger advocate mass extermination of Jews?
I doubt it.
Hitler was in a different class, one requiring more explanation...

Finally, check out the other two sites linked above.
Hopefully you'll find them factual, fair and free of anti-Semitism.

24 posted on 09/07/2012 7:20:53 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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