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France and Germany moving towards closer political union
EU Observer ^ | 30.08.12 @ 10:58 (August 30) | Valentina Pop

Posted on 09/02/2012 5:06:46 PM PDT by Olog-hai

Last year, Germany went out on a limb by calling for political union in Europe. The idea was met with little enthusiasm elsewhere in the eurozone, but particularly in France.

After the election of French President François Hollande in May, it seemed that views of the EU's foremost political duo could not be further apart.

But the mood has since changed, and serious plans are underway to create—if not a full political union, then something close to it. …

Meanwhile, EU council president Herman Van Rompuy and others are drawing up a paper to upgrade the eurozone, which will be discussed by EU leaders at a summit on 18-19 October. It will include elements for a political union, but also for a fiscal union—surrendering more budgetary powers to Brussels—considered key for the survival of the single currency. …

(Excerpt) Read more at euobserver.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Germany; Government
KEYWORDS: europeanunion; eussr; falloftheussr; france; germany; politicalunion; vichyfrance
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1 posted on 09/02/2012 5:06:50 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

The last time that happened was around 1938.


2 posted on 09/02/2012 5:08:32 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: Olog-hai

enslaving the rest of europe


3 posted on 09/02/2012 5:10:49 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Olog-hai

I read a book with this plot line once.....


4 posted on 09/02/2012 5:12:20 PM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: gorush

And Germany’s doing it without firing a shot. Come to think of it, they didn’t have to fire too many shots in 1938 either, at least not against the French.


5 posted on 09/02/2012 5:13:29 PM PDT by mkmensinger
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To: gorush

Actually it was June 1940. Only lasted until August 1944 though.


6 posted on 09/02/2012 5:14:10 PM PDT by AustinBill (consequence is what makes our choices real)
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To: mkmensinger

I guess next they will dividing up other countries


7 posted on 09/02/2012 5:14:30 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Olog-hai

I’m going to dust this one off:

The European Union commissioners have announced that agreement has been reached to adopt English as the preferred language for European communications, rather than German, which was the other possibility. As part of the negotiations, Her Majesty’s Government conceded that English spelling had some room for improvement and has accepted a five-year phased plan for what will be known as EuroEnglish (Euro for short).

In the first year, “s” will be used instead of the soft “c.” Sertainly, sivil servants will resieve this news with joy. Also, the hard “c” will be replaced with “k”. Not only will this klear up konfusion, but typewriters kan have one less letter.

There will be growing publik emthusiasm in the sekond year, when the troublesome “ph” will be replaced by “f”. This will make words like fotograf” 20 persent shorter.

In the third year, publik akseptanse of the new spelling kan be expekted to reach the stage where more komplikated changes are possible. Governments will enkorage the removal of double letters, which have always ben a deterent to akurate speling. Also, al wil agre that the horible mes of silent “e”s in the languag is disgrasful, and they would go.

By the fourth year, peopl wil be reseptiv to steps such as replasing “th” by “z” and “w” by “ v”.

During ze fifz year, ze unesesary “o” kan be dropd from vords kontaining “ou”, and similar changes vud of kors be aplid to ozer kombinations of leters.

After zis fifz yer, ve vil hav a reli sensibl riten styl. Zer vil be no mor trubls or difikultis and evrivun vil find it ezi tu understand ech ozer.

Ze drem vil finali kum tru.


8 posted on 09/02/2012 5:18:32 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: GeronL
We get Luxemburg, woot!


9 posted on 09/02/2012 5:21:15 PM PDT by palmer (Jim, please bill me 50 cents for this completely useless post)
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To: eddie willers

The beginnings of Newspeak?


10 posted on 09/02/2012 5:27:32 PM PDT by Fred Hayek (The Democratic Party is the operational wing of CPUSA.)
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To: Olog-hai

Ze french.....ptoooey.....enjoy the sarcasm:

http://www.strangetravel.com/images/content/8669.jpg

http://i.eatliver.com/2010/5721.jpg

http://0.tqn.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/u/R/french_soldierofsurrender.jpg

http://www.kratzmc.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/chirac_sweetsurrender.jpg

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/blog/French.gif

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-hmRwqJA68Do/Trd29Ero6KI/AAAAAAAAHCs/HCvNaTefePM/s640/french-soldiers-surrender-1940.jpg

Ze french wats u be likes zem!!!!!!

(And if anyone knows how to post these pics....plz)


11 posted on 09/02/2012 5:29:19 PM PDT by Puckster
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To: Olog-hai

It’s no great surprise. The two have strong economic, infrastructural and cultural ties now.


12 posted on 09/02/2012 5:32:55 PM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: GeronL

Do an internet search for “Europe of the regions”.


13 posted on 09/02/2012 5:38:06 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

ok!


14 posted on 09/02/2012 5:38:39 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: familyop

France’s railroads still run on the left. Think they’ll be browbeaten to change that?


15 posted on 09/02/2012 5:39:31 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: GeronL
This article from 2008 explains the EU’s plan better.
16 posted on 09/02/2012 5:46:40 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

This time, I say let the Krauts have the Frogs. They saved us during the Revolution, we saved them twice in the 20th Century, they owe us.


17 posted on 09/02/2012 5:46:57 PM PDT by MuttTheHoople (Obama does not have the work ethic to be Anti-Christ.)
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To: clee1

Charlemagne would be so proud. Anyway, I think that Greece, Spain and Italy would be fifth wheels in this arrangement.


18 posted on 09/02/2012 5:47:08 PM PDT by fhayek
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To: fhayek

Seems like you’re thinking of this “arrangement” as something other than imperialistic.


19 posted on 09/02/2012 5:49:14 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

thanks, isn’t the EU enough of a union as it is?


20 posted on 09/02/2012 5:51:38 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: fhayek

fifth wheels?

They’d be the puppet states


21 posted on 09/02/2012 5:53:06 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Olog-hai

Maybe, but I think that if Germany could cut a new deal with France (and maybe Britain) and cut Greece, Italy and Spain loose, they would do so in a heartbeat.


22 posted on 09/02/2012 5:53:25 PM PDT by fhayek
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To: GeronL

You guys are soooo twentieth century. Brown shirts and jack boots are so declasse.


23 posted on 09/02/2012 5:55:46 PM PDT by fhayek
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To: GeronL
The EU elites don’t think so. Their goal even way back in the 50s was for an “ever-closer union among the peoples of Europe” (so printed right on the first line of the 1957 Treaty of Rome after naming the heads of state of Belgium, Germany, France, Italy, Luxembourg and the Netherlands), which frankly sounds Orwellesque in and of itself.
24 posted on 09/02/2012 5:59:45 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: fhayek

Loose to where? They were put in the union in the first place not because of their wealth but because of their strategic advantage. The EU’s long-term outlook is hawkish.


25 posted on 09/02/2012 6:01:10 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: clee1

Larry Bond?


26 posted on 09/02/2012 6:01:49 PM PDT by RichInOC (Palin 2012: The Perfect Storm.)
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To: Olog-hai

Loose to anywhere but access to the German treasury, I would presume.


27 posted on 09/02/2012 6:03:51 PM PDT by fhayek
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To: Olog-hai

So the lesson Germany took from the World Wars was to not use military force in trying to conquer Europe. Of course, it’s still trying to conquer Europe.


28 posted on 09/02/2012 6:07:21 PM PDT by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: Olog-hai

29 posted on 09/02/2012 6:11:04 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: fhayek

They don’t have such access. They have loans whose terms are quite draconic and demand this political union as one of the terms, though.


30 posted on 09/02/2012 6:11:36 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai; fhayek

Err, make that draconian. They also have to pay off the tanks and other armaments that they bought from Germany before anything else as part of the deal. There’s a lot going on there that is more than merely fishy.


31 posted on 09/02/2012 6:14:02 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: gorush

1940 and it took roughly 6 weeks to accomplish!
It didn’t work so well for the French.


32 posted on 09/02/2012 6:20:18 PM PDT by Reily
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To: Reily
1940 and it took roughly 6 weeks to accomplish! It didn’t work so well for the French.

Which in the end, may have been a blessing in disguise.....A long drawn out war, may have worn down the British, French and German Armies, allowing Stalin to swoop in and take all of Europe.

33 posted on 09/02/2012 6:22:23 PM PDT by dfwgator (I'm voting for Ryan and that other guy.)
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To: Olog-hai

Okay, Germany calls for a reformulation of the terms of the European Union. A constitutional convention if you will. During the convention, new standards are formulated, which, son of a gun, exclude spendthrift nations like Italy and Greece. The excluded nations can become members as soon as they get their budget problems in check (yeah right). This happens so quickly and unexpectedly, that almost everyone is taken by suprise. A new currency the Northern Euro or Neuro, comes into being. The old Euro collapses, and the resulting hyperinflation devestates the economies of Greece, Spain and Italy. Germany reiterates that the Mediterranean countries are more than welcome into the Northern European Union, as soon as they achieve fiscal reponsibilty (yeah right). China converts as many dollars as it can into Neuros, causing the dollar to collapse. Interest rates are driven up to stop the sell off. The United States economy goes into free-fall. Stop me if you have heard enough...


34 posted on 09/02/2012 6:25:53 PM PDT by fhayek
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To: fhayek
Okay, Germany calls for a reformulation of the terms of the European Union. A constitutional convention if you will. During the convention, new standards are formulated, which, son of a gun, exclude spendthrift nations like Italy and Greece. The excluded nations can become members as soon as they get their budget problems in check (yeah right). This happens so quickly and unexpectedly, that almost everyone is taken by suprise. A new currency the Northern Euro or Neuro, comes into being. The old Euro collapses, and the resulting hyperinflation devestates the economies of Greece, Spain and Italy. Germany reiterates that the Mediterranean countries are more than welcome into the Northern European Union, as soon as they achieve fiscal reponsibilty (yeah right). China converts as many dollars as it can into Neuros, causing the dollar to collapse. Interest rates are driven up to stop the sell off. The United States economy goes into free-fall. Stop me if you have heard enough...

See my tagline.

35 posted on 09/02/2012 6:47:59 PM PDT by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: Olog-hai

The Frogs are so good at surrendering before a shot is even fired...


36 posted on 09/02/2012 6:48:12 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: fhayek

You can stop. If southern Europe goes into the tank, Germany is right behind them. Those countries represent a large market for Germany’s export based economy and German banks have billions in loans there. That is why Merkel is desparate to find a solution. I don’t think there is a solution other than to let the countries go bankrupt, revert to soverign currencies and let the market work things out. Anyway, the dollar is going to the winner in this even though we are bystanders.


37 posted on 09/02/2012 6:48:53 PM PDT by Pamlico (Oppose 0bama at every opportunity)
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To: Pamlico
as long as we remain bystanders!
The pressure to get involved will be tremendous!
38 posted on 09/02/2012 6:55:26 PM PDT by Reily
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To: Reily

Well the goods news such as it is or will be is that at the time the PIGS default, we will still be broke and there would be little that we could do. Second, while I am not a Romney cheerleader, I believe he will be our next President and will bring, along with Paul Ryan, a clear headed business approach to economic matters. There is no way Romney or Ryan would think that grabbing a falling anvil that is the Euro would be a great idea.


39 posted on 09/02/2012 7:09:14 PM PDT by Pamlico (Oppose 0bama at every opportunity)
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To: clee1; Gyroscope
"I read a book with this plot line once...."

Yes! He was a concert pianist who emigrated from behind the Iron Curtain when the USSR invaded his country around 1956.

I'm emailing the guy that turned me on to him because I'm having a senior moment regarding his name. It was a wonderful book from someone with the perfect perspective/experiences to make it all understandable. I'm looking for my signed copy...

40 posted on 09/02/2012 8:11:06 PM PDT by SierraWasp (Government it'self is the REAL "Free Rider!" Obamacare will create burdensome "Free Riding!!!")
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To: clee1

I read a book with this plot line once.....

CAULDRON by larry bond. the goos guys are poland and hungary and us and britain, russia is borderline and the french end up trying to screw the germans.


41 posted on 09/02/2012 8:18:47 PM PDT by bravo whiskey (if the little things really annoy you, maybe it's because the big things are going well.)
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To: Olog-hai

Sounds Vichy to me.


42 posted on 09/02/2012 8:19:34 PM PDT by AZLiberty (No tag today.)
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To: eddie willers

France needs to return all of the vowels they have stolen from the Slavs.


43 posted on 09/02/2012 8:50:47 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: eddie willers

Ja wohl.


44 posted on 09/02/2012 8:56:49 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: eddie willers

Compared to German, English is very problematic concerning phonetic spellings.


45 posted on 09/02/2012 9:06:33 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Olog-hai

Nothing like fixing a failed policy by doubling down on it.


46 posted on 09/02/2012 9:16:45 PM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: Olog-hai

Ten kings will give The Beast their power.........


47 posted on 09/02/2012 9:46:41 PM PDT by Red Badger (Anyone who thinks wisdom comes with age is either too young or too stupid to know the difference....)
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To: palmer

We have always been at war with Eurasia, Winston........


48 posted on 09/02/2012 9:48:27 PM PDT by Red Badger (Anyone who thinks wisdom comes with age is either too young or too stupid to know the difference....)
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To: gorush
quite different. Note that Germany is a very Federal, decentralized country with their federal government having less power than ours. In contrast, France is a very centralized country -- everything revolves around Paris.

For the Germans to move an administrative role from Berlin to Brussels is little more than the move from Bonn to Berlin. the individual states in Germany will remain powerful and independent.

it's the same in Spain.

But France would have a problem giving up power to Brussels because it would go against 400 years of French history and admin

49 posted on 09/03/2012 4:51:50 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: GeronL
thanks, isn’t the EU enough of a union as it is?

Yes. the commercial union was fine, but I wonder if a defensive pact will really mean that Germany would fight Russia if it invades Estonia or Latvia...

50 posted on 09/03/2012 5:02:27 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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