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1 posted on 08/31/2012 9:46:50 AM PDT by Mozilla
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To: Mozilla

Still here propagandizing for the Democrats huh bot boy?


2 posted on 08/31/2012 9:48:22 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: Mozilla
Definitely not good.

A little historical perspective, though: every time a party attempts to put in rules that will achieve purpose x, they usually have the exact opposite unintended effect. Recall the post-McGovern frenzy by the Dems to require certain % of women, minorities, etc in every delegation. All that did was make them unelectable (Mondale). It took Clinton to do an end run around the whole process through the DLC and his alliances with governors to overcome the new rules. But he did.

3 posted on 08/31/2012 9:51:18 AM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually (Hendrix))
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Self-ping


4 posted on 08/31/2012 9:53:21 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (Science puts you on the moon, atheism puts you in the gulag)
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To: Mozilla

Thanks for the concise update.


6 posted on 08/31/2012 9:54:29 AM PDT by JohnG45
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It’s incredible that Obama is our President and only such a distasteful incumbent could force us to accept one such as Romney. But he was picked early on just like W was. The RNC gave him the big bucks and the rest is history. Hopefully things will get better without a Leninist in the White House, but not much in my estimation.


7 posted on 08/31/2012 9:54:46 AM PDT by RichardMoore (There is only one issue- Life: dump TV and follow a plant based diet)
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If this is the case then the Republican Party has become as Fascist as the Democrats. The Democrats forever changed the course of their party in 1972 by adopting rules changes that put the party squarely to the extreme left and cut out most centrists and conservatives. You see the end result.
The Republicans have decided,in a way, to do the same thing and cut out all grass roots and conservatives also.
The party now will be controlled centrally from D.C. and RNC headquarters.
These rule changes should give pause to all Conservatives on continuing to support this party.
Let me Phrase It Thus: CONSERVATIVES NOT WANTED!!!!!!!!!
8 posted on 08/31/2012 9:56:42 AM PDT by Captain Peter Blood
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The rule change had nothing to do with Ron Paul.
His convention trolls and odious activities at the primaries merely gave them an excuse to pull this stunt.
This was aimed at the Tea Party grassroots and Conservatives.
The nominee was already chosen for us long before any primaries were held.
Look at how Florida was sddenly ‘all awarded to Romney’ despite the RNC rules sayng that it wasn’t to be so before ‘a certain date’.


10 posted on 08/31/2012 9:59:39 AM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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But the Romney camp and RNC insiders won the day, successfully imposing their will with the help of their control of the gavels, superior knowledge of the process, and perhaps some dirty tricks.

This is why I always tell these people who think that "all we need to do is take the GOP over at the county level and work our way up" that they are delusional.

When the GOP-E controls the gavel, chooses who gets called on, decides what proposals get considered and which do not, decides what rules get made, etc., then it doesn't matter how many average Joes you turn out to the conventions - the GOP-E will still win at the end of the day. It's like playing a baseball game where the home team gets to move the home run wall closer or farther away from home plate, depending on who's up to bat.

12 posted on 08/31/2012 10:01:10 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (Science puts you on the moon, atheism puts you in the gulag)
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When conservatives are a majority of the Republican party they can change the rules to suit themselves.

When conservatives are a majority (or even close) of the party, I’ll rejoin it.


14 posted on 08/31/2012 10:01:48 AM PDT by SaxxonWoods (....The days are long, but the years are short.....)
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“Grassroots” , aka, - Paulers.

This is getting tiresome.


16 posted on 08/31/2012 10:05:30 AM PDT by Eva
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Why was this move made? Probably because of the Paulistinians who, even though Paul did not win a single contest, still were able to maneuver to get the delegate slots. The Paul supporters were moving to nominate Paul, despite the fact that everyone’s favorite crazy uncle did not win, or even come close. They adopted the rules to avoid the embarrasment that the media would heap upon them for the Pual delegate actions.

Code Pink was able to infiltrate and disrupt Ryan’s speech and Romney’s speech. How and why? Paul supporters, of course; they gave them their credentials. What if they had given the credentials not to a whacked out chick screaming about her “lady parts” but rather to some whacked out, violent terrorist who would kill delegates, or the candidates? The Paulistinians showed their true colors this week. They were not above sabatoging the convention and the candidates in their little immature hissy fit.


18 posted on 08/31/2012 10:06:37 AM PDT by RayBob (If guns kill people, can I blame misspelled words on my keyboard?)
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Why was this move made? Probably because of the Paulistinians who, even though Paul did not win a single contest, still were able to maneuver to get the delegate slots. The Paul supporters were moving to nominate Paul, despite the fact that everyone’s favorite crazy uncle did not win, or even come close. They adopted the rules to avoid the embarrasment that the media would heap upon them for the Pual delegate actions.

Code Pink was able to infiltrate and disrupt Ryan’s speech and Romney’s speech. How and why? Paul supporters, of course; they gave them their credentials. What if they had given the credentials not to a whacked out chick screaming about her “lady parts” but rather to some whacked out, violent terrorist who would kill delegates, or the candidates? The Paulistinians showed their true colors this week. They were not above sabatoging the convention and the candidates in their little immature hissy fit.


19 posted on 08/31/2012 10:06:51 AM PDT by RayBob (If guns kill people, can I blame misspelled words on my keyboard?)
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We expect Democrats to be top-down and high-handed -- centralization of power is their governing principle, after all. But coming from Republicans, high-handedness is deeply disappointing. Republican rhetoric has always emphasized decentralization and local control -- making policy from the bottom up. And until yesterday, the GOP was in fact a mostly bottom-up party. No longer.

This is 100% spot-on...and, as a result, very sad. I had long thought that the Republicans were different, but it is clear that the Party's leaders are no different in their purpose than those of the Dems - to ensure the continuity of their own power. None of this letting the peasants revolt stuff anymore.

Note that I am a solid Reagan conservative, not some Paulista. To me, conservative principles are correct, and we should proudly shout them from the rooftops. However, the Republican elites obviously not only don't share my views, they have disdain for them. I'd be very much for a big exodus of conservatives to a well-organized Conservative Party, but I know that such would only lead to a guaranteed Dem win. Maybe if we can convince reasonable Dems to also leave their party at the same time...so we'll have 4 parties.

22 posted on 08/31/2012 10:08:42 AM PDT by Ancesthntr (Bibi to Odumbo: Its not going to happen.)
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If this is true then the Republican party will definitely go the way of the Whig party. Good luck GOP celebrating your own funeral.


23 posted on 08/31/2012 10:09:14 AM PDT by Jean2
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A lengthy post, but well worth reading.

"The new rules strongly suggest the insiders don’t think they need the grassroots to win in 2012 -- an astounding assumption, given the critical role grassroots voters played in the historic 2010 wave election."

Judging by the reaction of a lot of posters on this very website, they might be right. Conservatism in the Republican Party has entered the wilderness.

25 posted on 08/31/2012 10:10:36 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Conservatism is not a matter of convenience.)
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This video will blow your mind:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKaXqoC4DjE

The republicans are not the good guys.


33 posted on 08/31/2012 10:17:03 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Mozilla

For later consumption.


34 posted on 08/31/2012 10:17:39 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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I’m sorry my mind went this way but as I read this I found myself more and more reminded of Hitler’s rise to power in the party and finally the country.

Especially after seeing what happened in the video.


36 posted on 08/31/2012 10:21:52 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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So, which fringe candidate did Dean Clancy like? He sounds like a Paulistinian. Maybe he was a Huntsman man?


38 posted on 08/31/2012 10:28:39 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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They also wouldn't allow any other candidate to be nominated. For example, Paul never would have won, but he was nominated which would have put his name on the board and allowed him 15 minutes to speak. From NY Times:

Delegates from Nevada tried to nominate Mr. Paul from the floor, submitting petitions from their own state as well as Minnesota, Maine, Iowa, Oregon, Alaska and the Virgin Islands. That should have done the trick: Rules require signatures from just five states. But the party changed the rules on the spot. Henceforth, delegates must gather petitions from eight states.

If it could happen to Paul, it could also happen to Palin or any other conservative the GOPe doesn't want. We can never nominate a conservative candidate. It will always be who the GOPe selects.
40 posted on 08/31/2012 10:29:40 AM PDT by bravedog
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