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WATCH: Police gun down Michigan man with 46 shots in 5 seconds
New York Daily News ^ | August 18, 2012 | Charlie Wells

Posted on 08/18/2012 8:01:20 PM PDT by ConservativeStatement

Stunning new footage of six police officers gunning down a Michigan man in an intense, five-second burst of 46 shots was made public Friday, setting off fierce reaction from members of a community still grappling with the incident.

"I'm stunned that six human beings would stand in front of one human being and fire 46 shots," victim Milton Hall’s mother, Jewel, told CNN.

(Excerpt) Read more at nydailynews.com ...


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1 posted on 08/18/2012 8:01:29 PM PDT by ConservativeStatement
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To: ConservativeStatement

Suicide by police. He knew what beast he was throwing himself into the jaws of.

Though it does sound like the taser was tailor made for this kind of situation, if for any.


2 posted on 08/18/2012 8:03:59 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: ConservativeStatement

If the threat of lethal force is not instantly neutralized five seconds can seem like an eternity.

On full auto 7 rounds per cop is not unreasonable.


3 posted on 08/18/2012 8:05:31 PM PDT by lightman (Settling for the "lesser of two..." is still choosing Evil)
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To: carriage_hill

ping


4 posted on 08/18/2012 8:06:43 PM PDT by lightman (Settling for the "lesser of two..." is still choosing Evil)
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To: lightman

Another police brutality Springsteen song about this..


5 posted on 08/18/2012 8:07:36 PM PDT by Col Frank Slade
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To: ConservativeStatement

My father in law was a policeman. He told me about the time he tried to shoot a knife out of a guy’s hand.
“It don’t work like in the movies.”


6 posted on 08/18/2012 8:08:10 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: ConservativeStatement
"I'm stunned that six human beings would stand in front of one human being and fire 46 shots,"

I can see it. If I am in a fire fighting for my life against a hoard of zombies and just as fast as I could and quickly reloading for more.
7 posted on 08/18/2012 8:11:46 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: HiTech RedNeck

It should be pointed out to the “TAZER BAD TAZER BAD BAN IT NOW BAN IT NOW” crowd that this is the other alternative to the Tazer. Which do they prefer?


8 posted on 08/18/2012 8:12:03 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: ConservativeStatement

Not watching. This stuff shouldn’t be on line


9 posted on 08/18/2012 8:12:38 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
All 6 totally terrified officers fired ~ and kept on firing.

Probably best to not frighten them.

10 posted on 08/18/2012 8:12:55 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: ConservativeStatement

Watch? Why would I want to watch another human being losing their life? I don’t care who he is or what he did, seeing someone die is not entertainment.


11 posted on 08/18/2012 8:13:00 PM PDT by FightforFreedomCA (I WILL be voting on November 6th to evict the current pResident.)
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To: blueunicorn6

This is from Chicago:

Police sergeant shoots knife-wielding driver after Loop accident

http://www.suntimes.com/news/crime/14572114-418/police-sergeant-shoots-knife-wielding-driver-after-loop-accident.html


12 posted on 08/18/2012 8:13:00 PM PDT by ConservativeStatement (Obama "acted stupidly.")
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To: ConservativeStatement

If one shot had been fired and killed him, would the people be as worked up?


13 posted on 08/18/2012 8:14:11 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: ConservativeStatement

Although I cannot comment on this particular situation, I do know that cope are supposed to be trained to avoid pulling out their guns, if possible.

However, once the decision has been made to pull out the gun, you either unquestionably surrender or you risk being shot.

I agree that 46 bullets seem like a lot, but each cop is running under the assumption that the other cops may not be firing their guns. There’s also the reality that some peeps still fire their guns despite having been shot 20 times.


14 posted on 08/18/2012 8:15:03 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: ConservativeStatement
Saginaw County Prosecutor Michael Thomas told CNN that Hall had been “threatening to assault police,” and Gerald Cliff, the town’s police chief, said Hall was "known to be an assaultive person."

"Assaultive"?? I just love cop-speak. They more often-than-not end up tripping over their tongues.

15 posted on 08/18/2012 8:16:04 PM PDT by randog (Tap into America!)
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To: Spktyr

And so the debate goes back and forth, and the fact that tasers rarely kill ends up being a temptation to deploy them in trivial cases where there is little or no true danger to police personnel. But still. Why did this group have none, or not wish to try them, for this clearly irrationally combative nut. That’s why the taser was invented, to bring a humane end to such horrible face offs.


16 posted on 08/18/2012 8:17:14 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: ConservativeStatement

We ought to ask ourselves how, in a life-or-death situation, they might have orchestrated a “cleaner” kill, one less likely to offend public sensibilities.


17 posted on 08/18/2012 8:17:14 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: ConservativeStatement; All

At least the guy wasn’t handcuffed in the back of a police car when he was shot, like that guy in Arkansas.


18 posted on 08/18/2012 8:24:10 PM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (Science puts you on the moon, atheism puts you in the gulag)
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To: ConservativeStatement; All

At least the guy wasn’t handcuffed in the back of a police car when he was shot, like that guy in Arkansas.


19 posted on 08/18/2012 8:24:25 PM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (Science puts you on the moon, atheism puts you in the gulag)
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To: ConservativeStatement

We have an English word that describes what was done to this man - SLAUGHTER!

I carried a badge for over 30 years; this was uncalled for, was incompetently handled, and verges on murder.


20 posted on 08/18/2012 8:25:27 PM PDT by Ed Story
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To: ConservativeStatement

Sure they squeezed off 46 rounds...

Given some LEO’s inability to hit the broad side of a barn..

How many of them hit their intended target?


21 posted on 08/18/2012 8:26:18 PM PDT by cableguymn
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To: cableguymn
How many of them hit their intended target?

Good question. And judging from the video, I wonder how many rounds hit him in the back.

22 posted on 08/18/2012 8:28:56 PM PDT by randog (Tap into America!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
That video is awful! It looks like some third world execution squad.

I'm pro-cop, but this will not be good. I'm sure Al Sharpton is flying in as we speak.

23 posted on 08/18/2012 8:30:49 PM PDT by boop (It's not personal...it's strictly business)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Apparently the Saginaw PD had tazed someone back in April and the guy died.

http://www.minbcnews.com/news/story.aspx?id=740772#.UDBdVEROiKg

My guess is the Tazers were then probably blocked from use pending a review.


24 posted on 08/18/2012 8:31:00 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: ConservativeStatement

Once the police start shooting, how many shots they fire is insignificant. Don’t bring a knife to a gun fight. There is a video on the web somewhere of a similar situation in South America. The cops were too hesitant to shoot and the bad guy managed to cut one or two and actually killed one. Remember the 21 foot rule. A person can cover 21 feet before even an experienced person can draw a gun.


25 posted on 08/18/2012 8:31:43 PM PDT by suthener
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To: FightforFreedomCA

To watch or not to watch is a personal call. The video might be instructive to others. I watched the Daniel Pearl and Nick Berg murders to steel my resolve that the perpetrators of the “religion of peace” were my enemies. The videos were gruesome to be sure but violent death is quite commonplace whether you choose to acknowledge it or not.


26 posted on 08/18/2012 8:33:22 PM PDT by old school
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To: boop

Even better as far as racial poverty pimpers are concerned, Barack Obama gets to Zimmerize the whole group. Why would Barack turn the opportunity down? He’s enough of a fool to double and triple down on it.


27 posted on 08/18/2012 8:34:08 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: ConservativeStatement

Looks to me, after a few viewings, like he was walking away. Somebody got itchy and the rest on hearing the first shot let her rip. That’s the problem with groups with guns. The shoot or don’t shoot training cenerios don’t include all your buddies on your right and left shooting.

Nightmare.


28 posted on 08/18/2012 8:34:48 PM PDT by Dogbert41 ("...The people of Jerusalem are strong, because the Lord Almighty is their God" Zech. 12:5)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

The homicide is between 1:45 and 1:50. Leading up to it the victim is belligerent, indecisive and obviously ‘not right’. The police bring out a dog and he freaks. It then looks like turns his back and starts to walk away, and they all open up on him simultaneously like at a firing range. Frankly, it looks like they shot him in the back as he was retreating. Film is shot from a distance, so hard to see. Fortunately for the viewer it is too distant to be gruesome, but if this is a ‘justifiable’ use and level of force in the circumstances then we are indeed in a Yankee-doodle Soviet.

I am not sure that general knowledge that the target is ‘assaultive’ is an adequate defense just yet.


29 posted on 08/18/2012 8:34:59 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans. Don't read their lips. Watch their hands.)
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To: ConservativeStatement

Reports: Albuquerque police activist is mother of Milton Hall, homeless man killed in altercation with police

She said witnesses told her that her son walked into a store for coffee and “either forgot to pay for it or made a remark to the clerk,” which is why the clerk called police.

She said he was holding a “plastic knife, like you would get in the convenience store,” according to reports.

Police said Milton Hall was wielding a 3-inch folding knife.

Several sites, including the Albuquerque Journal and SFGate.com, refer to Jewel Hall as an Albuquerque police critic because she has been pushing for a federal probe of the Albuquerque Police Department over 24 officer-involved shootings since 2010.

http://birchrunchamber.org/reports-albuquerque-police-activist-is-mother-of-milton-hall-homeless-man-killed-in-altercation-with-police/


30 posted on 08/18/2012 8:34:59 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: ConservativeStatement
Can't tell enough from the video. Perhaps the dead guy suddenly reached for his waistband.

Maybe one of the cops though he/she could shoot the knife from his hand but failed to notify the other officers of the plan.

31 posted on 08/18/2012 8:35:43 PM PDT by fso301
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To: Spktyr

With tasers this fellow might theoretically have died... without tasers he was guaranteed Swiss Cheese. What to do, what to do? Liberals hoist on their own petard.


32 posted on 08/18/2012 8:35:55 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

There was no life or death situation. There were, however, 6 guns against 1 knife. They either panicked or just simply wanted to fill him full of lead. It tells me there were no cool heads there. It’s ok, until it happens to one of us.


33 posted on 08/18/2012 8:36:53 PM PDT by AlmaKing
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To: cableguymn

“How many of them hit their intended target?”

Enough.


34 posted on 08/18/2012 8:37:23 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans. Don't read their lips. Watch their hands.)
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To: ConservativeStatement

35 posted on 08/18/2012 8:38:24 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Yup. And they won’t allow cops to have nightsticks because they might use them to Rodney King someone for being black. -rolleyes-


36 posted on 08/18/2012 8:39:43 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: ConservativeStatement

That video does not make the officers look very good. There did not look to be a threat that warranted that reaction. A taser was surely indicated, or why did they not use the dog as they had threatened? Shooting has come to be the first alternative now. He was likely shot because he did not obey commands, regardless of any perceived danger. When an officer knows that all he has to do to clear himself of a uniformed killing is to say, “I felt threatened,” he is much more likely to shoot a suspect or a perp just because it is easier than other methods.


37 posted on 08/18/2012 8:41:46 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson)
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To: Psalm 144

No tasers (though perhaps per spktyr, maybe that was simply not allowed) and group shooting the knifist in the back.

Yup (and I didn’t want to look, I am not a voyeur of slayings) this is going to be pretty. Barack Obama now has a fairly plausible case of “police acted stupidly” to toss out in his campaign. Get waffling civil libertarians back to his side.


38 posted on 08/18/2012 8:41:58 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: boop

Hope the guy who filmed that makes it to court to testify.....


39 posted on 08/18/2012 8:42:57 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: Spktyr

Even conking him cold over the head from behind would have been far superior to what seemed to have transpired.


40 posted on 08/18/2012 8:43:27 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: ConservativeStatement

Jewel Hall told the Albuquerque Journal that her son struggled with a mild form of mental illness through the years but was able to live on his own and did have an apartment in Saginaw.

***********

And you know who was paying for that. Dear media, he wasn’t homeless!


41 posted on 08/18/2012 8:44:33 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: kcvl

So the moral is we ought to shoot nuts on welfare?


42 posted on 08/18/2012 8:45:57 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: ConservativeStatement
One crazed man with a knife plus six cops plus adrenalin pumping at highest levels plus a double tap philosophy plus fear (maybe) = overkill.
43 posted on 08/18/2012 8:47:02 PM PDT by Tupelo (Sara Palin.............my write in vote for 2012)
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To: ConservativeStatement

Seems like there could be a better way to subdue a knife wielding suspect and all those cops around. Why not fire some sort of netting around him and then run it around in a circle to wrap him all up. Seems a bit excessive gunning him down like that surrounded by multiple police.


44 posted on 08/18/2012 8:50:34 PM PDT by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

“I didn’t want to look, I am not a voyeur of slayings”

Your decision is wise. Such things take their toll. I once had to watch an evidence tape of a male prostitute demonstrating all that he was capable of performing. If I could get those sullied bits of my brain cut out I would. Homicides, torture etc. are even worse.

That is part of the problem here, too. Police are exposed to the worst behavior of the species day after day. It is not an edifying or uplifting experience. IMO, most city street cops are simmering at some level of emotional trauma most of the time, on duty or off.

Ugly incident, and it won’t end well for anyone.


45 posted on 08/18/2012 8:50:57 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans. Don't read their lips. Watch their hands.)
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To: Psalm 144; Dogbert41
dogbert41: Looks to me, after a few viewings, like he was walking away.

Psalm 144: It then looks like turns his back and starts to walk away,

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I agree. He was walking away.

46 posted on 08/18/2012 8:51:25 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Where did I say that? I think I can speak for myself without your “help”.


47 posted on 08/18/2012 8:53:38 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Right Wing Assault

Yes, but not nearly as worked up as watching a city-sanctioned firing squad in action.


48 posted on 08/18/2012 8:58:29 PM PDT by Bshaw (A nefarious deceit is upon us all!)
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To: ConservativeStatement

Reminds me of how Capone would mow people down.


49 posted on 08/18/2012 9:01:30 PM PDT by UnwashedPeasant
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To: cableguymn

“How many of them hit their intended target?”

Maybe they were all trying to shoot the dog.


50 posted on 08/18/2012 9:02:56 PM PDT by tumblindice (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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