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Man goes to jail for collecting rainwater on his own property (OR)
mensnewsdaily.com ^ | 8/9/12 | Amy Alkon

Posted on 08/11/2012 10:34:06 AM PDT by Past Your Eyes

Kendra Alleyne writes at CNSNews.com about Gary Harrington, an Oregon man who was convicted of collecting rainwater and snow runoff on his property who's just begun serving a 30-day jail sentence for it:

"I'm sacrificing my liberty so we can stand up as a country and stand for our liberty," Harrington told a small crowd of people gathered outside of the Jackson County (Ore.) Jail.

(Excerpt) Read more at amyalkon.mensnewsdaily.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; US: Oregon
KEYWORDS: jail; oregon; property; water
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Left coast craziness.
1 posted on 08/11/2012 10:34:10 AM PDT by Past Your Eyes
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To: Past Your Eyes

You think it’s just left coast craziness? All gubmint is the same - it seeks control and domination. Ask anyone who lives in Idaho - the citizens there are being strangled by the government just as they are in CA and OR.

“All water is publicly owned”???

Can’t be.


2 posted on 08/11/2012 10:40:38 AM PDT by karnage
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To: Past Your Eyes

Men’s news daily???

What the hell is that?


3 posted on 08/11/2012 10:40:42 AM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: Past Your Eyes

I heard Lars Larson interview this guy. He has some ponds on his property, but he’s supposed to let the water run off and soak into the ground because that’s what it would do otherwise without his intervention. The fire department is even against doing this because this is a fire season and they might need the water for their helicopters. This is in fact a crazy state with liberals in charge. I remember when our chief climatologist was fired by our Democrat governor because he didn’t believe in global warming.


4 posted on 08/11/2012 10:41:31 AM PDT by Telepathic Intruder (The right thing is not always the popular thing)
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To: Past Your Eyes

This reminds me of an article published a few years ago about farmers in the Texas Panhandle waiting for the clueless bureaucrats at the USDA to give them permission to let their starving cattle graze their wheat land, because their pastures were exhausted.

That’s when it dawned on me that when a landowner has to wait for a Washington bureaucrat to give him permission to feed his own cows on his own wheat, we no longer live in a free country.


5 posted on 08/11/2012 10:45:29 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: Past Your Eyes
Just think of all the democrats and republicans who cannot imagine living without “zoning” controls over private property!

This is exactly why the tea party came into being and have grown, it is both parties, the liberal democrates and RINO republicans who have established this wacko socialist zoning control over private property under the guise of “do you want a chemical plant in your backyard?” This is so much horseshit that it smacks of foolishness only the dweebs could swallow!

Why a single American would go along with turning their private property over to the government (through zoning) to control is beyond my comprehension, but, here it is, then we all read with bewilderment that a fellow American is in jail because he was collecting rain water on his private property!

Sheeeeeeeeeeeeese!

6 posted on 08/11/2012 10:46:56 AM PDT by paratrooper82 (We are kicking Ass in Afghanistan, soon we will be home to kick some more Asses in Congress!)
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To: mamelukesabre

I found it on infowars.com but evidently even the Bible would not be allowed to be quoted here if it came from infowars.com or the Huffington Post. So I googled it up and found it elsewhere.


7 posted on 08/11/2012 10:47:46 AM PDT by Past Your Eyes (What if there is no tomorrow? There wasn't one today.)
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To: Past Your Eyes

One of my relatives lives in Colorado Springs. And the city has a similar ordinance.


8 posted on 08/11/2012 10:55:38 AM PDT by NEWwoman (God Bless America)
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To: paratrooper82

Unfortunately the nazi attitude that more laws means better laws even lives in the hearts of a few FReepers.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2917239/posts


9 posted on 08/11/2012 10:56:06 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Past Your Eyes

The Idiot Future of environmentalist extremism begins in Oregon.

Watch for it soon in a community near you.


10 posted on 08/11/2012 10:57:10 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: Past Your Eyes

"The rain that falls on you? That's mine."

11 posted on 08/11/2012 10:58:01 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Roger Taney? Not a bad Chief Justice. John Roberts? A really awful Chief Justice.)
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To: cripplecreek
It is this “Nazi attitude” that will spell the doom for this government, when the American people have had enough, and begin he long process of reclaiming their rights, freedoms, and property back from these Nazi’s!
12 posted on 08/11/2012 11:03:12 AM PDT by paratrooper82 (We are kicking Ass in Afghanistan, soon we will be home to kick some more Asses in Congress!)
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To: karnage
In riparian rights states the land owner can divert a pro rata share of rainfall based on the size of the tract. Apparently Oregon has a different water rights law. There are few facts contained in the article.

As a general note it is easy to get stamped to wrong conclusions on just about any topic. Not saying that is the case here. But some “conservatives” get caught up in the same fallacy as leftists in not knowing all the facts. -—Just speaking as a hydrologist and hydraulic engineer.

13 posted on 08/11/2012 11:03:56 AM PDT by texican01
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To: Past Your Eyes
Got'a ask...

Is Oregon where moonbat liberals go when they think California has become too conservative?

Arrested and sent to jail for collecting rain water! Sometime even the Nazi death camp guards wouldn't have thought of.

14 posted on 08/11/2012 11:13:29 AM PDT by sjmjax (Politicans are like bananas - they start out green, turn yellow, then rot.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

“You didn’t create that rain. I did...”


15 posted on 08/11/2012 11:18:01 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Nope 2012)
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To: Past Your Eyes
The State Of Oregon Vs. Rain Man

Water resources officials say his rights are clear: He cannot store water without a permit, and he does not have a permit.

The law exempts water collected off parking lots or rooftops and funneled into rain barrels, water resources officials say. If it’s not gathered on an artificial, impervious surface, such as a rooftop, then you need a state water-right permit to collect it.

That’s way different than the roughly 40 acre-feet of water — enough to fill 20 Olympic-sized swimming pools — Harrington illegally captures without a water right behind dams as much as 20 feet tall that he built without permits, state officials say.

“Mr. Harrington has operated these three reservoirs in flagrant violation of Oregon law for more than a decade,” Oregon Water Resources Department Deputy Director Tom Paul says.


16 posted on 08/11/2012 11:18:54 AM PDT by tentmaker (vote for John Galt)
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To: Past Your Eyes

Government at all levels must be reduced to almost nothing. that means immediately abolishing the IRS, then the EPA, then the government schools. And then keep going at all levels of government until 99% of these freedom robbing and prosperity killing government agencies ( monstrosities) are no more.

Why do democrats trust government? Look at the hell that government created with the government public housing projects, the government schools, the IRS , the EPA, shall I go on?


17 posted on 08/11/2012 11:23:33 AM PDT by rurgan (Sunset all laws at 4 years.China is destroying U.S. ability to manufacture,makes everything)
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To: texican01

i just took the opportunity of that specific Oregon case to make a sweeping generalization!


18 posted on 08/11/2012 11:39:04 AM PDT by karnage
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To: karnage

Montana too.


19 posted on 08/11/2012 12:19:58 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Bigg Red

mark


20 posted on 08/11/2012 12:20:22 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Pray for our republic.)
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To: txrefugee

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wickard_v._Filburn


21 posted on 08/11/2012 12:22:43 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: texican01

I suspect many of our city-dwelling and east of the Mississippi FR friends are unaware of the seriousness of water rights issues in the west.

We just spent over $25,000 to obtain water rights for a pond on our property which is not over 70’ in diameter, and has been there for over 30 years.


22 posted on 08/11/2012 12:27:31 PM PDT by QBFimi (When gunpowder speaks, beasts listen.)
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To: Past Your Eyes

Left coast gub mint gone NAZI;/


23 posted on 08/11/2012 12:28:14 PM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Hey Mitt, F-you too pal)
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To: Past Your Eyes

Eyes, you running again?


24 posted on 08/11/2012 12:33:33 PM PDT by Little Bill
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To: Past Your Eyes

Eyes, you running again?


25 posted on 08/11/2012 12:33:43 PM PDT by Little Bill
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To: Past Your Eyes

same law applies in colorado.


26 posted on 08/11/2012 12:45:37 PM PDT by bravo whiskey
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To: Paladin2
Montana too.

I'm rethinking my and the pygmy pony's plan to open a dental floss farm up there.

FMCDH(BITS)

27 posted on 08/11/2012 12:48:27 PM PDT by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: Past Your Eyes

AH, people love to put their bling bling children politicians in power. They think they are so cute and it is free... yeah... right... they will get it.

Ef’n retard Ayatollah Romney metrosexuals.


28 posted on 08/11/2012 12:56:28 PM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: QBFimi
That's very interesting. From whom did you have to buy the water rights?

Once, a few years ago, I visited an old coffee plantation outside of Ponce, Puerto, Rico that was powered by an iron turbine manufactured in West Point N.Y. in 1847, and a 30 foot overshot water wheel. Surprisingly, the stream which fed the turbine and the wheel was only about a foot wide and a foot deep, but it powered a generator, a coffee mill, and a host of other machinery. It was all beautifully maintained and in perfect working order, but it had not been operated since around 1900. Apparently, under Spanish law the owner of the plantation had the right to use the water from the stream that ran through his property, but when Puerto Rico fell under U.S. sovereignty, that changed, and the plantation had to shut down.

29 posted on 08/11/2012 1:02:51 PM PDT by PUGACHEV
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To: Little Bill

Yes, I am. I will have an opponent in the general election but not the primary. I don’t know her but people in her town (Groton) tell me she and her husband are well out there in left field.


30 posted on 08/11/2012 1:05:07 PM PDT by Past Your Eyes (What if there is no tomorrow? There wasn't one today.)
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To: Past Your Eyes
If you need some bucks FReepmail me.
31 posted on 08/11/2012 1:12:56 PM PDT by Little Bill
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To: NEWwoman

It’s state law here in CO, all rainwater belongs to the state.

Includes the water in a bucket under a downspout, or even just left out in the rain.


32 posted on 08/11/2012 1:13:30 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Liberals, at their core, are aggressive & dangerous to everyone around them,)
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To: PUGACHEV

>> From whom did you have to buy the water rights?

From an irrigation company that has been in business since the 19th century. It was a trade, actually. In return for my being allowed to keep the water in my pond, they agreed to allow the equivalent amount of water (retained and evaporated) to be made available further downstream.

The risk of not doing this is that my “cachement basin” (which was turned into a pond over 30 years ago) could, at any time, be protested by a downstream neighbor. That neighbor could petition the state to force me to drain the pond.


33 posted on 08/11/2012 1:26:28 PM PDT by QBFimi (When gunpowder speaks, beasts listen.)
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To: Little Bill

Jeez, no! I got a check in the mail yesterday for $50 from a group wanting to help me out. I do not plan on spending any money for a job that pays $100/year (before taxes)!
But I thank you for the thought. We’ll see what this woman does. She ran last time and didn’t do much - came in 6th out of 6 candidates running for 3 seats. Districts were different then.
She did get the endorsement of the Sierra Club so guess where she’s coming from.


34 posted on 08/11/2012 1:40:39 PM PDT by Past Your Eyes (What if there is no tomorrow? There wasn't one today.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

I see Dear Leader is doing the Mussolini pose again.


35 posted on 08/11/2012 1:44:23 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: Balding_Eagle
It's state law here in CO, all rainwater belongs to the state.

Colorado state Police finally apprehended Duke, the notorious rainwater thief.

Despite repeated sightings of Duke blatantly frolicking in recent heavy rains Duke has eluded capture taking his rain soaked coat God knows where.

Under state law as a repeat offender Duke faces the possibility of a death sentence being handed down.

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In other news Colorado Law Enforcement revealed that the killer of Jon Benet Ramsey still remains at large.


36 posted on 08/11/2012 1:49:22 PM PDT by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: Joe Boucher

Law dates to 1925...before we dammed the West. And before Nazis.


37 posted on 08/11/2012 1:49:52 PM PDT by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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To: texican01; karnage
There are people who live their whole lives without even knowing about water rights laws and their variations.

When you get West of the 100 degree line you move into elevations mostly higher than 3000 feet and where the annual precipitation is just a fraction of what it is to the East.

Obviously water rights laws are going to vary with the circumstances, but unless you bother to study the situation and find out what these laws are about and how utterly ancient they are, you will invariably make erroneous conclusions.

Basically, where it rains a lot you can divert water at will. Where it doesn't rain very much, the fellow using that water (which may be downstream) has a priority over your new use so you'll probably need a permit of some kind, or maybe you'll have to buy out his water rights.

Some states started business without private claimants. Others had occupants when the US took over. That leads to sometimes almost inexplicable rules. Oregon was already part of Spanish North America and subject to Spanish traditional water rights laws once the inlet to the Inside Passage up there at the Alaskan border was discovered.

Once the US and UK made their settlement, Oregon continued to follow the traditional water rights laws imposed by Spanish ownership. And even though it rains a lot West of the mountains, it does not rain much at all East of that area. Most of Oregon is truly semi-arid.

This guy knew better.

38 posted on 08/11/2012 1:53:58 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: sjmjax

The nazi death camp guards lived in an area where there’s a lot of rain. They likely wouldn’t have understood this either, but if they had to live all their lives in the Sahel, they’d known.


39 posted on 08/11/2012 1:55:38 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: rurgan
You did know that even if government didn't exist, the downstream users would enforce their right to prior use with deadly force, right?

That's the ancient law in arid and semi-arid regions.

Their neighbors would applaud the killings of anyone tapping their water.

40 posted on 08/11/2012 1:57:57 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Past Your Eyes

If all the water that falls on my property belongs to the government, I’ll be happy to deliver it to town hall one bladderfull at a time.


41 posted on 08/11/2012 2:00:19 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Legalize Freedom!!)
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To: QBFimi
Bet that was a bargain too.

It's not quite the MIssissippi ~ it's the 100 degree line that makes the difference.

42 posted on 08/11/2012 2:00:19 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: PUGACHEV

Could have ~ or Puerto Rico was turned into a US Navy coaling station and coal displaced waterpower all over the island. It’s cheap and reliable.


43 posted on 08/11/2012 2:02:12 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: gundog

oregon?


44 posted on 08/11/2012 2:17:20 PM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Hey Mitt, F-you too pal)
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To: muawiyah

>> Bet that was a bargain too.

Yup - it means when we go to sell, the property is “horse property”. Although many people do it, you can’t water horses with a “domestic use only” well.


45 posted on 08/11/2012 2:18:56 PM PDT by QBFimi (When gunpowder speaks, beasts listen.)
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To: Past Your Eyes

Unbelievable!


46 posted on 08/11/2012 2:19:07 PM PDT by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: Joe Boucher

Yeah....even though it’s not raining at the moment. Seems to me that repeal or modernization is in order for these laws. Hate to say it, but it sounds like this guy is in the wrong.


47 posted on 08/11/2012 2:23:29 PM PDT by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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To: karnage

. . .”in Idaho - the citizens there are being strangled by the government just as they are in CA and OR.”

Examples, please. I have lived in Idaho for 25 years, currently in the most liberal city/legislative ditrict in the state, but don’t sense anything near the statewide mind set of Oregon. Even here there is credible blow-back against a LIBERAL mayor. What am I missing?


48 posted on 08/11/2012 3:21:53 PM PDT by Elsiejay
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To: Telepathic Intruder
Click on the link to listen to the interview
Lars Larson Interviews Harrington
http://soundcloud.com/thelarslarsonshow/gary-harrington-is-prepared-to


49 posted on 08/11/2012 4:59:54 PM PDT by preacher (Communism has only killed 100 million people: Let's give it another chance!)
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To: QBFimi
The opening scene sequence in Lawrence of Arabia is about some Bedouin without water rights watering their animals at Omar Shariff's well out in the desert.

He shoots them dead on the spot.

50 posted on 08/11/2012 6:59:35 PM PDT by muawiyah
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