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Chemotherapy Can Backfire and Boost Cancer Growth: Study
Yahoo ^ | August 5, 2012 | AFP

Posted on 08/05/2012 6:57:19 PM PDT by dubyagee

Cancer-busting chemotherapy can cause damage to healthy cells which triggers them to secrete a protein that sustains tumour growth and resistance to further treatment, a study said Sunday. Researchers in the United States made the "completely unexpected" finding while seeking to explain why cancer cells are so resilient inside the human body when they are easy to kill in the lab.

They tested the effects of a type of chemotherapy on tissue collected from men with prostate cancer, and found "evidence of DNA damage" in healthy cells after treatment, the scientists wrote in Nature Medicine.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/chemotherapy-backfire-boost-cancer-growth-study-164516832.html

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KEYWORDS: cancer; chemo; chemotherapy; health; medicine
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1 posted on 08/05/2012 6:57:29 PM PDT by dubyagee
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To: dubyagee

Have always suspected this. Happened with my father who had a very small localized tumor-—chemo seemed to make it spread and killed him.


2 posted on 08/05/2012 7:06:49 PM PDT by scottjewell
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To: dubyagee

Yes the treatment is as bad as the disease itself.


3 posted on 08/05/2012 7:07:11 PM PDT by hamboy
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To: dubyagee

Wait wait... what does the ObamaCare bureaucrats say...


4 posted on 08/05/2012 7:08:27 PM PDT by mike_9958
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To: dubyagee

What makes cancer even harder to kill is that no two people are alike and the same treatment may not work from person to person.


5 posted on 08/05/2012 7:09:19 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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To: mike_9958

ObamaCare will follow the new, coincidentally helpful to their bottom line, cost saver findings that say

1)Forget that PSA test
2)Don’t bother with those mammograms
3)Chemo causes cancer.


6 posted on 08/05/2012 7:15:42 PM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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bttt


7 posted on 08/05/2012 7:16:50 PM PDT by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: dubyagee
A leading Oncologist told me that our “treatment” is entirely Medieval: Burn it (radiation); poison it (chemo); or cut it (surgical removal).
8 posted on 08/05/2012 7:18:27 PM PDT by lightman (One of the marks of the Beast is a white lower case "f" on a blue square.)
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To: mike_9958
Wait wait... what does the ObamaCare bureaucrats say...

"Take the pain pill (and donate to our re-election campaign or those mean Republicans will take away your health care)."

9 posted on 08/05/2012 7:18:40 PM PDT by OrangeHoof (Our economy won't heal until one particular black man is unemployed.)
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To: dubyagee

Hoo-boy! This article certainly does nothing to boost my spirits. My dad’s been battling prostate cancer off and on for about 20 years and just found out he now has lung cancer. His first chemo treatment begins this week. He sounded so tired this afternoon when I spoke to him on the phone, so I was already worried about him before seeing this.
All I can do at this point is pray.


10 posted on 08/05/2012 7:19:18 PM PDT by radu (May God watch over our troops and keep them safe)
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To: lightman

Yes. The unfortunate part is when you poison the cancer with chemo, you poison the body, too. I’ve been primary caregiver for several people, and oncologists are perfectly upfront about that. I have no doubt chemo has helped some, but there’s no doubt it has horrid side effects.


11 posted on 08/05/2012 7:22:51 PM PDT by dubyagee ("I can't complain, but sometimes I still do.")
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To: radu

So sorry. Prayers up for you and your dad for healing, strength and peace.


12 posted on 08/05/2012 7:25:12 PM PDT by dubyagee ("I can't complain, but sometimes I still do.")
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To: radu

My brother in law is in the middle of chemo for lung cancer. He may have just had round three. There is a pattern - first week, wiped out, just very tired. Then he starts to get better, goes back to work, eats a lot - right back to normal for the next two weeks. Then another round. Your dad will be fine.


13 posted on 08/05/2012 7:25:31 PM PDT by bboop (Without justice, what else is the State but a great band of robbers? St. Augustine)
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To: dubyagee
Reminds me of when the flouroscope was invented.

Many a surgery for organ sag was done.


One things for sure, 50 years from now they will look at us like the barbarians we are.

14 posted on 08/05/2012 7:30:36 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: dubyagee

My father was diagnosed with colon cancer and had it removed surgically. He is on a bag.
He refused chemotherapy and every other kind of therapy.

He went to see the doc about a reversal a year after.
The doc almost fell out of his chair at the sight of him.
The reversal couldn’t be done, NOT because of cancer recurrence, but because of old tissue that couldn’t be stretched to accommodate the distance removed in the previous surgery.
But, a biopsy was sent out and came back cancer free.
Dad has been a vitamin addict ever since Linus Pauling. He eats sweets and drinks a vodka tonic everyday. He also takes colloidal silver. Can’t tell you how much of anything he takes, but he said even doctors wouldn’t go through chemo.
God love him...I hope he passed on his genes, but I doubt it.
(gonna take up vodka tonics, though! Life’s too short!)
He’s 89 years old.


15 posted on 08/05/2012 7:33:46 PM PDT by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: radu

Stay strong! Don’t let this article get you down. Yes, obviously, over time, chemo is no longer effective... I don’t know why the researchers were so surprised at this discovery. I’m a cancer patient myself (stage two - a couple of lymph nodes involved), and the results of this study are no surprise to me. However, the important point is that this research could lead to ways of improving the effectiveness of chemotherapy, and that’s good news. Stay positive and take everything day by day.


16 posted on 08/05/2012 7:42:12 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: dubyagee

The side effects aren’t always immediate or obvious. Chemo can and will kill cancer but it also targets “weak” spots in the body. It has added years to my wife but there is a price to pay for that time.


17 posted on 08/05/2012 7:45:30 PM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: radu

Prayers for your dad.
Read up on iodine.


18 posted on 08/05/2012 7:45:47 PM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: dubyagee

It’s rather like using a shotgun to kill a fly....a lot of collateral damage.


19 posted on 08/05/2012 7:46:29 PM PDT by lightman (One of the marks of the Beast is a white lower case "f" on a blue square.)
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To: dubyagee

It’s an unnerving time for us but Dad’s a fighter and I hope he can pull through. And one can never get too many prayers in situations like this. Every prayer counts. Thank you.


20 posted on 08/05/2012 7:46:33 PM PDT by radu (May God watch over our troops and keep them safe)
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To: radu

Chemo works.


21 posted on 08/05/2012 7:47:54 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: dubyagee

Yep, found a tumor in my mom’s ovary, started chemo and spread to liver, stomach, etc... within 2 months.


22 posted on 08/05/2012 7:50:50 PM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: bboop

The dr.’s are going to give Dad chemo treatments once a week rather than once every three weeks, I guess because of his age (he’s 84). They said they’ll use smaller dosages this way and it shouldn’t knock him down as hard. I just hope he’s able to have some good days each week before going back in for the next treatment.

I hope your brother-in-law responds well to his treatments.


23 posted on 08/05/2012 7:51:43 PM PDT by radu (May God watch over our troops and keep them safe)
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To: dubyagee

I am not surprised. One day, chemotherapy will be seen as we now see leeches as medical treatment.


24 posted on 08/05/2012 7:56:23 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Tired of Taxes
The discovery is a disappointment but not really a surprise. I've long suspected this, as have others, I'm sure. It just sucks to see the suspicions pretty much confirmed.

Taking it day by day is all we can do.

I hope your treatments are successful so you can soon say you're a cancer survivor. :-)

25 posted on 08/05/2012 7:58:13 PM PDT by radu (May God watch over our troops and keep them safe)
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To: mike_9958; unkus; vette6387; justiceseeker93; mazda77; bevperl; seekthetruth; rodguy911; Kaslin; ...

A Big Bro/Big Sis Holocasut Death Panel will send you direct to their camp/hospice center for the Big Pill! No need to worry about any other treatment.


26 posted on 08/05/2012 8:00:29 PM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: Mortrey

Some cancer tumors are slow-growing, nonaggressive, and easier to beat. Plus, if the surgeon can remove all of it, the patient has a better chance. I lost three family members (including my father) to aggressive colon cancers. My dad was denied chemo, and the cancer grew very quickly without it. OTOH, I know a woman whose father refused surgery for colon cancer and takes no treatment at all, and the cancer doesn’t even seem to be spreading. I’m always glad to hear that a cancer is nonaggressive, but some of us need chemo - sometimes it’s our only chance.


27 posted on 08/05/2012 8:02:54 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: 1_Rain_Drop

Thank you.

I imagine Dad’s read up on as much as he can. My step-mom is a retired nurse and has dealt with all this stuff in her work. I may be more concerned about this whole thing than they are since I’ve never dealt with it before.


28 posted on 08/05/2012 8:03:08 PM PDT by radu (May God watch over our troops and keep them safe)
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To: Gene Eric

I know chemo works sometimes, and doesn’t others. I’ve met several cancer survivors over the years. It all depends on the particular situation, I guess, and I hope Dad’s situation is one that will respond to it.
One day at a time.


29 posted on 08/05/2012 8:07:26 PM PDT by radu (May God watch over our troops and keep them safe)
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To: radu
I hope your treatments are successful so you can soon say you're a cancer survivor. :-)

Oops! My bad. I should've said "survivor". I finished chemo and radiation last year, and I'm doing very well. So, I'm an example of someone who finished some very strong chemo, and I'm doing fine. Just make sure your dad eats! That's very important.

30 posted on 08/05/2012 8:09:04 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: dubyagee
Humans certainly have a lot to learn.

Personally, my policy is to muddle through as best I can without treatment, and then go to bed with a fifth of Jack and a handful of pills. To relieve pain.

Having been at death's door, I'm not afraid of it.

/johnny

31 posted on 08/05/2012 8:09:53 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: radu

Can’t argue with that.

Prayers for your Dad, you, and your family.


32 posted on 08/05/2012 8:10:47 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: lightman; dubyagee; radu; mike_9958; Uncle Ike; CaptainK; Blood of Tyrants; hamboy; scottjewell; ...

“A leading Oncologist told me that our “treatment” is entirely Medieval: Burn it (radiation); poison it (chemo); or cut it (surgical removal).”

We work with cancer clients, teaching them treatment remedies. They usually come to us after the doctor tells them to get their affairs in order, and maybe sends them home with morphine ‘to deal with the pain’ (actually morphine is euthanogenic...it hastens death). All of the things I am reading posted here about the negative effects of the slash, burn, poison oncology practiced in this country is true. It has never been about curing cancer...it has always been about making money for the drug companies (first), then for the doctors.

Back in the mid 80’s there was a medical doctor practicing in Germany who used what we call ‘alternative’ treatments for cancer. Specifically he was using the Hi pH therapy with Cesium that was based on extensive work done by Dr Brewer, PhD, in Wisconsin. The doctor in Germany was successful in treating cancer. His name was Hans Nieper, MD. Many celebrities and executives from America went to Germany to be treated by Dr. Nieper, including one President of the United States. Dr Nieper reported the following...

“You wouldn’t believe how many FDA officials or relatives or acquaintances of FDA officials come to see me as patients in Hanover. You wouldn’t believe this, or directors of the AMA, or ACA, or the presidents of orthodox cancer institutes. That’s the fact.” They came to see him and brought their loved ones because they KNEW that his protocol worked.....even though they made it impossible for him to practice in the United States. They weren’t taking THEIR chances at MD Anderson!!!!

In other words, while the pharmaceutical industry and their patsies in the government and “charities” are persecuting alternative medicine, throwing practitioners in jail, claiming there is “no scientific evidence” for alternative cancer treatments, destoying equipment, medical records, etc., they were sending their own relatives and friends to Dr. Nieper to be treated for cancer!!!


33 posted on 08/05/2012 8:13:04 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: Gene Eric

Thank you. Every prayer counts and I’ve seen the Power of Prayer at work a time or two. May it work this time. :-)


34 posted on 08/05/2012 8:17:49 PM PDT by radu (May God watch over our troops and keep them safe)
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To: radu
Prayers up.

/johnny

35 posted on 08/05/2012 8:20:06 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Tired of Taxes

Oh! That’s awesome! So glad to hear it!
I’m sure my step-mom will make him eat as much as he’s able. She’s worked with cancer patients in the past and will take good care of him. That’s one factor that’s given me a little peace of mind.


36 posted on 08/05/2012 8:21:56 PM PDT by radu (May God watch over our troops and keep them safe)
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea
Try treating yourself, and the police will shoot your dog.

It's for the cheeruns.

/nanny state /police state

37 posted on 08/05/2012 8:24:48 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea

I have a hard time believe that alternative therapies work because there are far too many rich celebrities and politicians who die of cancer every day.


38 posted on 08/05/2012 8:26:40 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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To: radu

Prayers offered up for those in treatment.


39 posted on 08/05/2012 8:31:14 PM PDT by Ciexyz
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To: Ciexyz

Indeed, prayers up for ALL who are receiving these treatments.


40 posted on 08/05/2012 8:36:50 PM PDT by radu (May God watch over our troops and keep them safe)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

“I have a hard time believe that alternative therapies work because there are far too many rich celebrities and politicians who die of cancer every day.”

Alternative works, conventional medicine does not. But believe what you will. It is your life to loose if you come down with cancer and choose the oncology route. And by the way, it is not about money. Successful alternative treatments are not expensive...less than the copay with conventional oncology treatments that cost hundreds of thousands of dollars (usually insurance company dollars).

Conventional oncology therapies are maybe 5% successful. Alternative therapies for late stage cancers are in the 50% successful range...these are the ones the doctor has said ‘get your affairs in order’.


41 posted on 08/05/2012 8:59:25 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: ExTexasRedhead

So true.


42 posted on 08/05/2012 9:13:23 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: radu

this Thursday will mark my halfway point in my chemo, to be followed by radiation. I chose it, i’ll live with the results. I have chemo every other week, so I get 3 or 4 days every two weeks that are really good. Today was one of them.


43 posted on 08/05/2012 9:14:51 PM PDT by Shimmer1 (government health officials seem to have the haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.)
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To: dubyagee

Bookmark


44 posted on 08/05/2012 9:41:06 PM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: Shimmer1
Dad's not happy about taking chemo but like you, he chose it. And with luck, he - and you - will live with it for many years to come. :-)
45 posted on 08/05/2012 9:50:03 PM PDT by radu (May God watch over our troops and keep them safe)
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To: scottjewell
I agree, they 'carpet bomb' the immune system.

I suspect that in a few years we will look back at these treatments as we do bleeding in the 18th century.

46 posted on 08/05/2012 10:11:24 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: dubyagee

Have to go with the Doc’s expertise, and knowledge of the percentages.

I was trying to play google-doc and was determined to select my own chemo type, but fate stepped in and made that impossible.

Had to go with Doc’s recommendation....
Later learned that my “studied” preference would have likely killed me.

7 weeks of low dose cisplatin & radiation saved me....7 years ago.


47 posted on 08/05/2012 10:34:11 PM PDT by G Larry (Progressives are Regressive because their objectives devolve to the lowest common denominator.)
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea
Back in the mid 80’s

that was 20 to 30 years ago. what is the current status of those protocols?

48 posted on 08/06/2012 1:06:10 AM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea
Back in the mid 80’s

that was 20 to 30 years ago. what is the current status of those protocols?

49 posted on 08/06/2012 1:06:21 AM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: dubyagee

another Duh article. We docs always knew a small percentage of those who got chemo would develop another cancer, usually a blood cancer since the chemo affects growing cells such as in the bone marrow.

But of course, there is a subgroup of patients who get multiple cancers too: one of the “risks” for breast cancer is having breast cancer. Often they find a small one in the other breast when they biopsy the first one.

Both problems have to do with the immune system....when it gets weak, it doesn’t destroy the cancer mutation.

However, like most medical treatments, it’s “not as bad as the disease”: its a benefit risk ratio. If you had cancer, would you rather die right away or die twenty years later from a chemo induced cancer?


50 posted on 08/06/2012 1:19:30 AM PDT by LadyDoc
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