Posted on 08/04/2012 7:16:59 PM PDT by neverdem
I'd stick with cell culture studies or animals as a last resort. There are plenty of methods of testing these questions that don't involve clinical studies with human subjects. (I dislike clinical human studies anyway; I find them extremely limited in the types of questions that they can answer, and often they are flawed in other ways.)
I was able to find the abstract directly at the journal website. The full abstract, at least, seems to recognize that there is a more complicated two-way interaction between host and flora than the article posted here would indicate. Still, this article makes claims that are not, as far as I can tell, supported by the evidence--for example, the claim that it may be important to control the early environment to prevent conditions such as metabolic syndrome leading to obesity. I think that, to a large extent, the metabolic conditions cause the change in microflora. Since an obese person's biochemistry is not the same as a thin person's biochemistry, I would expect to see a difference in species prevalence of gut microflora as a result.
The use of silver in wound dressings does show promise, but given the way silver builds up in body tissues until it reaches toxic levels, I’ll pass on the injested kind, thank you. I’ve been through chelation for metal poisoning once already, and that was more than enough.
Thanks for the ping!
“Unless you count the people who died from it.”
Sources, please.
“However, the question is whether it is similarly toxic to multi-cellular organisms. Unfortunately, there are too many studies that say yes, it is.”
Sources, please.
“Most non-metal based antibiotics don’t build up in the tissues.”
And they do not work. MRSA, C-DIFF, etc etc etc...these are because of the over use of antibiotics by doctors...and these hospital acquired diseases kill people. There are solutions to these too, but not in the conventional medicine scheme of things.
Pregnancy alters resident gut microbes
Good hunch, but neither pregnant women nor diabetics are considered as having robust immune systems. In the former, it's considered down regulated. In the latter, it's compromised in ways similar to cancer patients, patients on chronic steroid therapy or chronic alcoholics, at least from a clinical perspective.
My hunch is that a lot of the vague “fatigue, depression, anxiety attacks, and chronic pain” symptoms women experience and often get diagnosed as fibromyalgia are due to improper sleep.
I was amazed to read that sleep has an amplifying effect on all of these symptoms, and these symptoms of course cause sleepiness in turn. Plus, there does seem to be a general consensus in society that women are inadequate if they can’t function on little sleep, because of the demands of motherhood.
ack... fat fingers... I meant SLEEPLESSNESS not sleepiness. Lack of sleep may be what causes those symptoms.
This is NOT that kind of silver. It leaves the body in 24 hours. This is not injected into anything (however, they are doing some IV processes) You need to read about it. Homeland security, special ops, etc. are using it. My sister’s friend has someone in the nursing home and the nurse said she was happy to see they were giving their loved one silver sol. Type in Dr. Pedersen and watch the videos. It healed a MRSA sore for my mother that amazed the doctor with no scar. I won’t bother you again with a post but I think you need to take a look at this stuff . . . it’s amazing and NOT like the regular silver that can collect in the body and even turn a person blue
Mirsattari SM, Hammond RR, Sharpe MD, Leung FY, Young GB (April 2004). “Myoclonic status epilepticus following repeated oral ingestion of colloidal silver”.
http://rais.ornl.gov/tox/profiles/silver_f_V1.html
http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/QAA363388/collodial-silver.html
http://cira.ornl.gov/documents/SILVER.pdf
Ellenhorn, M.J., S. Schonwald, G. Ordog, J. Wasserberger. Ellenhorn’s Medical Toxicology: Diagnosis and Treatment of Human Poisoning. 2nd ed. Baltimore, MD: Williams and Wilkins, 1997., p. 1608
http://nccam.nih.gov/health/silver
Let me know if you’d like to see more.
As a side note, it seems the increase in the use of silver in wound dressings and as an antibiotic is leading to new resistant strains of bacteria already:
http://www.nursingtimes.net/nursing-practice-clinical-research/bacterial-resistance-to-silver-based-antibiotics/201749.article
http://www.o-wm.com/article/8483
Of course.
My objection is more to the idea that these metabolic conditions can be treated by altering the gut flora, when it looks a lot like the microbial species distribution is a consequence of the conditions. The concept that, e.g., obesity could be cured by altering the gut microflora is very appealing, since there really is no easy way to treat or even prevent it, and it is human nature to want easy solutions. This isn't to say that certain microorganisms don't have an effect; clearly, a bacterial colonization of synovial fluid will cause problems.
Thank you. I will check these out. I do know of some experience we and others have had with very high oral doses using colloidal silver and no adverse effects. I also know that if the silver is ionic rather tan colloidal, the results can be very negative.
Some doctors in Texas were using colloidal silver intravenously to treat Aids, and were having great success. The FDA shut down the supplier of the colloidal silver to stop this successful treatment.
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