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Romney Praises Israel's Socialized Health Care System
Buzzfeed ^ | July 30, 2012 | Zeke Miller

Posted on 07/30/2012 6:26:24 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo

JERUSALEM — Presumptive Republican nominee Mitt Romney offered praise for the Israeli health care system today — a medical plan that has been socialized since its founding in 1948.

Romney, who championed the Massachusetts health care mandate, but is an opponent of the federal mandate passed by President Barack Obama, marveled at how little Israel spends on health care relative to the United States.

“Do you realize what health care spending is as a percentage of the GDP in Israel? eight percent," Romney told donors at a fundraiser at the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, speaking of a health care system that is compulsory for Israelis and funded by the government. "You spend eight percent of GDP on health care. You're a pretty healthy nation. We spend 18% of our GDP on health care. Ten percentage points more. That gap, that 10 percent cost, compare that with the size of our military — our military which is four percent — four percent. Our gap with Israel is 10 points of GDP. We have to find ways — not just to provide health care to more people, but to find ways to find and manage our health care costs."

Romney has explained that he opposes ObamaCare because what worked in Massachusetts may not work for other states. Highlighting the success of the Israeli system — in a country that enjoys one of the highest life expectancy rates in the world — could complicate matters for Romney at home.

Rights of the Insured under the National Health Insurance Law

-—Every Israeli citizen is entitled to health care services under the National Health Insurance Law.

—Every resident has a right to register as a member of an HMO of his/her choice, free of any preconditions or limitations stemming from his/her age or the state of his/her health.

—Every resident has a right to receive, via the HMO of which he or she is a member, all of the services included in the medical services basket, subject to medical discretion, and at a reasonable quality level, within a reasonable period of time and at a reasonable distance from his/her home.

—Each member has a right to receive the health services while preserving the member’s dignity, privacy and medical confidentiality.

—Every Israeli resident has the right to transfer from one HMO to another.

—Each member has a right to select the service providers, such as doctors, caregivers, therapists, hospitals and institutes, from within a list of service providers who have entered into an agreement with the HMO to which the member belongs, and within the arrangements in place for the selection of the service providers, and which the HMO publishes from time to time.

—Each member has a right to know which hospitals and institutes, and other service providers, are included in the agreement with the HMO, and what are the selection processes at the HMO.

—Each member has a right to see and to receive a copy of the HMO regulations.

—Each resident has a right to receive from the HMO complete information concerning the payment arrangements in place in the HMO for health services as well as the HMO’s plans offered for additional health services (CIP).

—Each member has a right to complain with the Public Inquiries commissioner at the medical institute that treated the member, to the person in charge of investigating member complaints at the HMO of which s/he is a member, or to the complaints commissioner for the national health insurance law in the Ministry of Health.

—Each member has a right to file suit at the district labor court.


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Maybe Mitt has found a system of socialized medicine he likes even more than Romneycare.

To be fair to Mitt, I suspect it's the cost aspect that he was thinking about, but the fact remains he's praising a system which guarantees health care to every Israeli regardless of ability to pay.

1 posted on 07/30/2012 6:26:35 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Doctors in Israel all belong to a union. In the past when they have gone on strike the mortality rate in the country actually went DOWN!


2 posted on 07/30/2012 6:28:30 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Romney Praises Israel’s Socialized Health Care System
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Does it have free and $50 abortions too like RomneyCare ???


3 posted on 07/30/2012 6:33:41 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

“marveled at how little Israel spends on health care relative to the United States.”

Amazing what billions in U.S foreign aid can do.


4 posted on 07/30/2012 6:34:09 AM PDT by ScottfromNJ
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To: Colonel Kangaroo; Liz; AuntB
Does Isreal allow anyone from any nearby country to sign up for those national ‘health care rights’ like we do? I suspect they limit who gets the benefits to avoid national bankruptcy. (Why give free health care to a kid who will strap a suicide bomb pack on later anyway?)

They don't have thousands of new Dreamers every-day entitled.

Tell you what, let California enact a state wide socialized system and lets see how it works.

5 posted on 07/30/2012 6:37:10 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (Obama-ney Care ))
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

No doubt, we will have to spend the next four years fighting Romney back to the right every step of the way. But let’s get rid of Obama first!


6 posted on 07/30/2012 6:37:56 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Socialism consumes everything)
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To: Paine in the Neck

I like your thinking.

By the way, if Romney does a little research he may find out what he doesn’t want to know.

In our system, we pay for research of pharmaceuticals and equipment which we share with countries like Israel.

Just a guess.

In any case, watch research and development take a nosedive over the next years after this Obama scare.


7 posted on 07/30/2012 6:54:07 AM PDT by stanne
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

He will bring Romney care to us if elected...it only makes sense...he will use the guise of ...well its state mandated...but it will still be mandated...
I am voting for Constitution Party for POTUS...GOP for US Senator here in Florida in hopes of overturning health care disaster...but I have had it with E GOP...Cheney’s remarks about Palin were typical E GOP circular firing squad instead of going after Obama
freegards LEX


8 posted on 07/30/2012 7:00:47 AM PDT by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: lexington minuteman 1775

They went after her because mitt has been not nominated yet. They will live in fear of her until he is.


9 posted on 07/30/2012 7:12:08 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: ScottfromNJ

foreign aid is to be spent on US weapons


10 posted on 07/30/2012 7:15:38 AM PDT by hecht (restore Hetch-Hetchy, and screw San Francisco and Pelosi)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

its a mixture of public and private.


11 posted on 07/30/2012 7:18:37 AM PDT by hecht (restore Hetch-Hetchy, and screw San Francisco and Pelosi)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Israel is a tiny country....alot of things would work there that would not work here!!!


12 posted on 07/30/2012 7:27:00 AM PDT by ontap
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Every time I begin to warm towards Mittens, the vapid dork once again demonstrates that he has the mind of a pea.

But, at least he does have a mind...unlike our Cretin-in-Chief.


14 posted on 07/30/2012 7:32:58 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

The percentage of people on the dole, living on welfare in Israel is probably lower than what it is in the US, thereby making their healthcare more affordable.

How many illegals enter Israel every year who all qualify for medical care?


15 posted on 07/30/2012 7:48:20 AM PDT by 353FMG
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
If America could provide ALL U.S. citizens healthcare at 8 or even 10% of GDP instead of the present 18% I would vote for it in a second!
16 posted on 07/30/2012 7:50:26 AM PDT by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: Liz; ScottfromNJ; dragnet2; Condor51
RE :”Man oh man, Mitty's mouth muscles are at Mach One speed——who knew the ol’ guy could suckup so fast

This is standard POTUS campaign stuff. It doesn't faze me.

Fox and Friends reported on this today and they pointed out that Romney is 30% to 40% below Obama in polling of US Jewish voters. It remains to be seen how much this helps them with him.

One of the unstated and whispered goals of invading Iraq was to help Israel (yet Bush never tried to sell that to general voters even as that war became very unpopular) and maybe it did help them, or maybe not in the long run, but Jewish voters who tend to be liberal, probably wanted Hillary more than Obama but then voted for Obama, were largely turned off by that war (Iraq) the way it turned out. Now if Nuke based WMDs were found and displayed on TV it may have played out differently. Another ironic miscalculation.

17 posted on 07/30/2012 7:59:10 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (Obama-ney Care ))
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To: ontap
Israel is a tiny country....alot of things would work there that would not work here!!!

Just look at the US Postal Service and ask yourself, are these people capable of managing a group health plan with 300 million members?

18 posted on 07/30/2012 7:59:42 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: New Jersey Realist
If America could provide ALL U.S. citizens healthcare at 8 or even 10% of GDP instead of the present 18% I would vote for it in a second!

I cannot find the "right" to healthcare in the Constitution. You have the right to purchase healthcare, but you do not have the right to force me to purchase your healthcare. You also do not have the right to force doctors to provide healthcare for you. Unless you believe in slavery.

19 posted on 07/30/2012 8:19:31 AM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

ObamaCare = RomneyCare = IsraeliCare


20 posted on 07/30/2012 8:38:39 AM PDT by bgill
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To: ScottfromNJ
“marveled at how little Israel spends on health care relative to the United States.”

Amazing what billions in U.S foreign aid can do.

In the U.S. millions are out of work, lost homes, lost medical benefits, wide open borders, millions of jobs shipped to Commie China, and the U.S. Government is sending billions of tax dollars to Israel and every other country on earth?

What a twisted evil this has become.

21 posted on 07/30/2012 9:35:08 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: SVTCobra03
I cannot find the "right" to healthcare in the Constitution.

I cannot find "Foreign Aid" in the Constitution.

I'd rather the money go to our own American brothers and sisters than foreign countries that hate us.

22 posted on 07/30/2012 9:39:37 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: SVTCobra03
You also do not have the right to force doctors to provide healthcare for you.

Bull chet. Millions of illegal aliens do, as your government showers them with coupons, benefits and prizes.

Seems foreigners, foreign countries and illegal aliens of every description are receiving U.S. tax paid assistance, cash as prizes, but God forbid anything goes to helping U.S. citizens in legitimate need. .

23 posted on 07/30/2012 9:45:00 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Heh. The low cost is precisely because of its socialist nature — all advanced socialized medicine systems have lower costs than the U.S. non-system.

BTW, in praising Israeli economic performance, he omitted the billions in stimulus spending pumped into the Israeli economy over many decades, courtesy of U.S. tax payers — per capita, vastly, vastly greater than any of Obama’s tyrannical, budget-busting boondoggles.


24 posted on 07/30/2012 11:07:57 AM PDT by Egypt Steve
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To: SVTCobra03

Would you please refund the tax dollars I have contributed to the roads you drive on, the police and firemen and military that protect you, the inspectors who inspect your meat and eggs, and the teachers who taught you. I’m tired of being your slave, you moocher.


25 posted on 07/30/2012 12:08:58 PM PDT by Egypt Steve
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
As someone who has gone through the Israeli Health Care system I can tell you flat out, it is great. And impossible to do in the United States without completely getting the Fed out of the way.

The first difference and the biggest, is you would have to have complete Tort Reform first. You cant sue for silly stuff in Israel. So the doctors don't have to waste time testing for every possible bit of crap before they get down to helping you.

Secondly, the entire medical profession has a different mindset. When you go to the doctor and the visit with one is done, he hands you all your records. You are responsible to follow up everything. He tells you where to go, hands you your folder and its done. He is not responsible for you, YOU are. That does not work in America either. People are not assumed to be brain dead in Israel.

I had a procedure done that would have cost $30,000 in the US. It cost me $750 bucks. But there is a bit of a difference. I was handed a box of syringes and drugs and was shown how to give my wife shots. It was up to me to do it and do it right, we did not have to go in for weekly visits. This frees up a heck of a lot of doctor time.

Comparing Israeli health care to the US is completely apples and oranges. It shows Mitt is CLUELESS, or dishonest. I vote clueless, due to not understanding the cultural differences.

Can you imagine handing a box of drugs and syringes to a welfare recipient and giving the doctor immunity from lawyers? In Israel if you slip on a sidewalk, you are considered a klutz, not criminally attacked by the owner of the sidewalk.

26 posted on 07/30/2012 12:51:25 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: ScottfromNJ
Amazing what billions in U.S foreign aid can do.

Uh, the foreign aid is military hardware. You know, Egypt gets four new tanks, the Saudi's get four new airplanes and the Jews get a Jeep.

Ever tried to do surgery with a F16?

27 posted on 07/30/2012 1:12:37 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: SVTCobra03

Are you f***ing serious? You are an idiot. I did not say force, I said I would vote for it. If you want to live back in colonial America then go pump your own water and sH*t in your outhouse.

America has evolved and some things necessarily change. A central bank isn’t in the Constitution either but don’t we have one? Our own founding fathers screwed this country with that action.

If the people of this country (a democracy and a republic) VOTE for certain things then we have to live with it. I am totally against Obamacare and will do everything to overcome it....but common sense says that if our country is spending 18% of our GDP on healthcare, 10% would me much better. Get real!


28 posted on 07/30/2012 1:15:00 PM PDT by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: sickoflibs
Does Isreal allow anyone from any nearby country to sign up for those national ‘health care rights’ like we do?

No, but they do give health care to Palestinians. Who usually stiff them for the bill. Health care is NOT free in Israel, even Isreali's have to help foot the costs. Its just that without the Government trying to control the Hospitals, the costs are reasonable, like they were before Bush voted in the Pharma act.

The only problem with health care in the USA is not health care costs, it is Lawyers and Politicians.

29 posted on 07/30/2012 1:16:29 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: SVTCobra03

Furthermore, a point I forgot to mention. I am forced to buy auto insurance if I own a car. Where is that in the constitution?


30 posted on 07/30/2012 1:16:43 PM PDT by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: stanne
In our system, we pay for research of pharmaceuticals and equipment which we share with countries like Israel.

Interesting that you should mention that, as Israel leads the world in medical R and D! Because they cannot have their pants sued off because some idiot swallowed a whole bottle of pills at once, they can actually make a profit with innovation. And medical research goes very well with the Jewish Psyche, its a real mitzva, a good deed, to save lives!

That is why they offer medical assistance to Palestinians, it is honorable to save the life of even your enemies. The more you get to know the Jews, the more you find to like, trust me.

31 posted on 07/30/2012 1:26:21 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: bgill
ObamaCare = RomneyCare = IsraeliCare

NOT even close. ObamaCare may be a clone of RomneyCare, but HMO's are services you pay for, and choose if you want it or not. You know, American Health care before Obama "fixed" it.

Health Care is fixed alright, just like WWF wrestling matches. Back in the old days, insurance was considered a Mafia scam. Now the Government and lawyers have stolen the scam from the Mafia. (Well, the Chicago Mafia is the government but lets not go there...)

32 posted on 07/30/2012 1:34:11 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Egypt Steve
BTW, in praising Israeli economic performance, he omitted the billions in stimulus spending pumped into the Israeli economy over many decades, courtesy of U.S. tax payers — per capita, vastly, vastly greater than any of Obama’s tyrannical, budget-busting boondoggles.

All money given to Israel is in military arms. Something that they would not need if we did not also give 5 times as much to the Muslims. It is not a stimulus to Israel to give the latest version of the M1A1 Abrams Tanks to Egypt. The fricking Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood now controls more modern tanks than some of the ones our troops drive!

And if you think "stimulus" works, you are sadly mistaken. The US always garners a price for everything it gives Israel. Like Gaza, which now is stimulating nearby Israeli cities with missiles daily.

I am all for foreign aid to our allies, but do not understand why we spend Billions more on our enemies.

Obama is "stimulating" his Mafia Buddies, follow the money trail. America is not being stimulated. After Obama emptied the treasury, he borrowed a few trillion more to hand out to his Mafia buddies. Heck, he gave more money to Peloi's brother in laws fake solar company than he gave the Nation of Israel.

The low cost is precisely because of its socialist nature — all advanced socialized medicine systems have lower costs than the U.S. non-system.

EVERY single socialist health care system costs much more than simple health care, someone has to pay for all the overhead of the socialist masters. When they socialized health care, did your payments go down, or up? Are you going to believe what you see, or what Obama tells you?

History shows that central planning is always a mess and costs more. The more masters you have, the more massa's you gotta work for. And Massa's always figure they are worth a whole lot more than Peons that actually produce something.

You got a lot to learn.

33 posted on 07/30/2012 1:50:02 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: dragnet2
Amazing what billions of tax dollars vote-crazed politicans handout as "US foreign aid" allows: a tiny foreign aid-addicted country like Israel is able to finance a cheap health care system (among its numerous other socialist systems)....... while Americans pay and pay and pay.

In the U.S. millions of Americans are out of work, are losing hope, their homes and medical benefits; we have wide open borders w/ millions pouring in to ride the US gravy train; millions of jobs are being shipped to Commie China.......yet vote-crazed politicans are sending billions of our tax dollars to Israel, and every other country on earth. What a twisted evil this has become.

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SIGH---these are my two fave foreign aid stories....enjoy:

REFERENCE In 1995 (the year Newt Gingrich became the powerful Speaker of the US House), his then-wife Marianne Gingrich landed a plum job with the Israel Export Development Company (IEDC).

Marianne's previous job was a “makeup consultant” for a door-to-door cosmetics company. Larry now employed Marianne as IEDC’s Vice President. Talk about affirmative action (/snix).

Marianne's boss at IEDC was Larry Silverstein---lessee of the World Trade Center. Among Marianne's tasks for Silverstein and his Israel Export Development Company were (1) to develop Americans to relocate jobs and businesses to Israel, and, (2) to get jobs for Israeli interns in Congressional offices.

Wouldn't you love to see the paper trail of numerous financial bombs the IEDC interns planted in US govt agencies to jetstream zillions of US tax dollars to Israel? Zillions over and above the "piddling" $10 billion foreign aid appropriation "ceremoniously" announced each year.

BTW, WTC developer LARRY SILVERSTEIN was the biggest winner of the "9/11 Lottery." Larry fought like hell to get insurance billions "he said" was for "two accidents" from the 9/11 bombing---AND Larry got billions more from the Port Authority govt agency's budget (supposedly for (cough) rebuilding.

Seems Larry's not too good at math (/snix) b/c the World Trade Center rebuilding is set to cost $14.8 billion, 35% more than the 2008 estimate of $11 billion....So the PA "says" it has to raise tolls on the working class to pay Larry for the increases.

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REFERENCE: The Mérida Initiative (also called Plan Mexico by critics) is a so-called "security cooperation agreement" between the United States and the government of Mexico and the countries of Central America, with the declared aim of combating the threats of drug trafficking, transnational organized crime and money laundering. The assistance includes training, equipment and intelligence.

In seeking partnership with the United States, Mexican officials point out that the illicit drug trade is a shared problem in need of a shared solution, and remark that most of the financing for the Mexican traffickers comes from American drug consumers. U.S. law enforcement officials estimate that US$12 to 15 billion per year flows from the United States to the Mexican traffickers, and that is just in cash, i.e., not including the money sent by wire transfers.

The U.S. Congress passed legislation in late June 2008 to provide Mexico with $400 million and Central American countries with $65 million that year for the Mérida Initiative. The initiative was announced on 22 October 2007 and signed into law on June 30, 2008.

34 posted on 07/30/2012 2:05:23 PM PDT by Liz
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To: American in Israel

No need to try and pigeon hole me, been putting up with customers all day who are angry that I speak no spanish.

I said it was a guess, you can see that.

Am glad to have input, And I can certainly imagine that Israel has advanced R&D in medical. Glad to learn something new.

Am anxious about our future in this respect looking at the events of the past three or so years, that’s all.


35 posted on 07/30/2012 2:07:48 PM PDT by stanne
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To: Liz

I guess all the Romney supporters missed this thread.


36 posted on 07/30/2012 2:38:09 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: American in Israel

“Uh, the foreign aid is military hardware. You know, Egypt gets four new tanks, the Saudi’s get four new airplanes and the Jews get a Jeep.

Ever tried to do surgery with a F16?”

Which means money that Israel would normally spend on military can be diverted to health care. But you’re not the first poster to fail to realize that.


37 posted on 07/30/2012 3:26:50 PM PDT by ScottfromNJ
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To: New Jersey Realist
I am forced to buy auto insurance if I own a car. Where is that in the constitution?

The Consitution doesn't guarantee your right to a car, and your car insurance isn't for YOUR protection or for the protection of your car, it's for the protection of anyone or any property you may happen to injure/damage with your car. Your car insurance is not required for the upkeep of your car.

No one is forcing you to buy a car, therefore ultimately, no one is forcing you to buy car insurance. However, the Constitutin does guarantee your right to life; Obama/RomneyCare forces you to buy health insurance just by virtue of your being alive, and that health insurance isn't for the protection of others you might make sick, but for the upkeep of your own self.

I don't like being forced to buy car insurance, but it's part of the price of owning a car, and my owning a car is optional. When the Federal or State government forces me to buy health insurance simply because I live, it is a far cry from forcing me to buy car insurance because I've opted to own a car.

The comparison of being forced to buy car insurance to being forced to buy health insurance, is fundamentally flawed.

38 posted on 07/30/2012 4:50:01 PM PDT by Finny (A deal with the devil is ALWAYS a losing proposition. Voting for Romney to avoid Obama is just that.)
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To: Finny

I get your point. Thanks.


39 posted on 07/31/2012 10:58:13 AM PDT by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: New Jersey Realist

You’re so gracious! :^)


40 posted on 07/31/2012 12:29:47 PM PDT by Finny (A deal with the devil is ALWAYS a losing proposition. Voting for Romney to avoid Obama is just that.)
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To: ScottfromNJ
Which means money that Israel would normally spend on military can be diverted to health care. But you’re not the first poster to fail to realize that.

Actually it means that Israel is going broke trying to balance the other four fifths of the military hardware given to the Muslims. They have to draft EVERYBODY into the military in the hope to survive.

Add up all the money given to the Muslim radicals and see how many you can divide it into the second rate stuff we give to Israel.

Like when we delivered all the F16 jets to Israel but refused to include the electronics packages that we did include for the Muslims. Know what you call a F16 with no radar and gun control?

Target drone...

Of course we could have not given any assistance to those dirty Joos and only given Billions to our sworn enemies. But then we would have had to do without a lot of our cutting edge technology that was developed by our ally, Israel.

But for some in this country, thats a fair trade.

41 posted on 07/31/2012 4:54:41 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: American in Israel

Thanks for the perspective. Can you imagine the howls from the liability lawyers if we tried to make the Israeli system work here by modifying our tort laws?


42 posted on 07/31/2012 5:02:06 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (FUMR)
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To: American in Israel

I’m not saying there isn’t good reason to provide military support to Israel for the reasons you stated, what I’m saying is the situation that exists with Israel isn’t much different than what existed in post war Europe where we spent over 100 billion annually to defend them, which allowed those countries to build their nanny states and socialized health care systems rather than pay for their own defense. We were basically funding the European welfare state.


43 posted on 07/31/2012 6:39:38 PM PDT by ScottfromNJ
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