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NY Times: Islamists Taking Power Produces Moderation, Ends Terrorism
PJ Media ^ | 7-13-2012 | Barry Rubin

Posted on 07/13/2012 8:22:16 PM PDT by Sir Napsalot

Well, now at least the debate is in the open and we can see just how questionable are the talking points of those who claim the United States has nothing to fear from Islamists.

The New York Times publishes an article with the promising title of “Fast-Changing Arab World is Upending U.S. Assumptions,” yet sadly, the article shows that certain assumptions are not changing at all. Indeed, are not even discussed. To summarize the article’s thesis: before Obama’s election, the United States thought that pro-American regimes were good and radical Islamists were bad — but now we know better.

For decades, Obama’s predecessors supported a number of Arab governments, including those in Egypt and Tunisia but not Syria. Obama put the emphasis on engaging Syria, but did not directly challenge the Egyptian and Tunisian governments until uprisings began against them in January 2011. Then he threw those two under the bus as fast as possible. But that policy did not apply to anti-American Syria, which he abandoned only in August 2011 after four months of full-scale revolt and massacres far more intense than those which made it abandon the Egyptian and Tunisian governments during the first week of demonstrations.

AdvertisementWhat makes the effort to talk seriously about the Middle East nowadays so frustrating is that the “mainstream” debate, as illustrated by the Times article, devotes no space to suggesting the following: perhaps the rapid rise of Islamists might be bad for the United States, and the outbreak of violence from Salafist groups, two armed cross-border attacks on Israel, or other events suggest that the threat had been underestimated. ....

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: egypt; newyork; newyorkcity; newyorkslimes; newyorktimes; partisanmediashills; syria; tunisia; waronterror
As Mr. Rubin said it is a good thing. Now that it (NYTimes' bias) is out in the open, maybe we can have some honest discussion/debate.
1 posted on 07/13/2012 8:22:27 PM PDT by Sir Napsalot
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To: Sir Napsalot

So by extension global Caliphate = world peace?

Bravo Sierra.


2 posted on 07/13/2012 8:24:09 PM PDT by lightman (Adjutorium nostrum (+) in nomine Domini--nevertheless, Vote Santorum!)
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To: Sir Napsalot

The NY Slimes have not connected Islamists and planes flying into buildings. Stuck on stupid.


3 posted on 07/13/2012 8:27:01 PM PDT by Salvavida (The restoration of the U.S.A. starts with filling the pews at every Bible-believing church.)
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To: Sir Napsalot

Liberalism is a mental illness. That’s the only way to explain the NY Slimes incredible stupidity and denial of reality...


4 posted on 07/13/2012 8:27:40 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: lightman

Bravo Sierra, indeed!


5 posted on 07/13/2012 8:27:51 PM PDT by WXRGina (Further up and further in!)
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To: piytar

Their case is apparently terminal..


6 posted on 07/13/2012 8:28:54 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: Sir Napsalot; All

It is not only willfully ignorant, it is dangerously idiotic.


7 posted on 07/13/2012 8:31:37 PM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: piytar

Their case is apparently terminal..


8 posted on 07/13/2012 8:33:10 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: Sir Napsalot; All

It is not only willfully ignorant, it is dangerously idiotic.


9 posted on 07/13/2012 8:34:09 PM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: Sir Napsalot

Dear NT Slimes,

**Islamists Taking Power Produces Moderation, Ends Terrorism**

as the Islamics taking power in the Middle East Caused killing? Especially of Christians?

This is a nutty article.

Don’t ever believe the Slimes.


10 posted on 07/13/2012 8:34:30 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: sheik yerbouty

And frankly, I’d be OK with that, but they’re going to get a lot of innocent people killed along with themselves. Not to mention the loss of freedom they’re abetting.

I TRY to be a good Christian and just oppose leftscum as opposed to hating them, but sometimes I fail...


11 posted on 07/13/2012 8:40:49 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: Sir Napsalot

I saw nothing in the article supporting the headline- nothing.

The reader comments are bizarre, what a baseless world these people live in!


12 posted on 07/13/2012 8:42:23 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: Sir Napsalot

I often wonder if the idiots at the NYT actually believe the BS they are continually shoveling out to their readers. Makes me thankful that I am not on of their readers..... =.=


13 posted on 07/13/2012 8:43:24 PM PDT by cranked
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Sir Napsalot.


14 posted on 07/13/2012 8:43:55 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: mrsmith

The reader comments at the NYTimes.


15 posted on 07/13/2012 8:45:21 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: Sir Napsalot
Sure. Just see the world through our distorted lens, submit to our laws and our religion and there will be peace.

Two (at least) problems with that. First, why not have them see things our way and have peace? We think we are every bit as right as they do. Second, isn't this tacit admission that they are not only responsible for the lack of peace in the world, but that they plan unending warfare until they prevail or are wiped out?

16 posted on 07/13/2012 9:06:43 PM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: Sir Napsalot

Somewhat like a prison rapist saying he only wants to be your friend if you will be his special friend. It is all for our own good, we just need to smile and drop the soap for everything to be better.


17 posted on 07/13/2012 9:26:23 PM PDT by dog breath
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To: Sir Napsalot

The Slimes is ignoring reality again. What else is new?


18 posted on 07/13/2012 9:30:49 PM PDT by wjcsux ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: wjcsux; All

Islamists in power reduce terrorism because they subjugate, enslave you so slaves are controlled so “peace” prevails and terrorism becomes unnecessary.

BTW you may want to drop byhttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2490938/posts?page=3582#3582


19 posted on 07/13/2012 10:36:23 PM PDT by FARS (Be Healthy, Happy and Thrive)
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To: wjcsux; All

Islamists in power reduce terrorism because they subjugate, enslave you so slaves are controlled so “peace” prevails and terrorism becomes unnecessary.

BTW you may want to drop byhttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2490938/posts?page=3582#3582


20 posted on 07/13/2012 10:36:23 PM PDT by FARS (Be Healthy, Happy and Thrive)
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To: wjcsux; All

Islamists in power reduce terrorism because they subjugate, enslave you so slaves are controlled so “peace” prevails and terrorism becomes unnecessary.

BTW you may want to drop byhttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2490938/posts?page=3582#3582


21 posted on 07/13/2012 10:36:35 PM PDT by FARS (Be Healthy, Happy and Thrive)
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To: Sir Napsalot

As soon as the last Christians are slaughtered in Egypt the NY Times will brag that the muslims have ended terrorism.


22 posted on 07/14/2012 12:53:59 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Ayn Rand: "In any compromise between food and poison, it is only death that can win")
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To: Sir Napsalot
comments. NY Times: Islamists Taking Power Produces Moderation, Ends Terrorism

Yes - it worked so well when a guy named Neville thought the same thing about the Nazis - give them their way and all will be just fine. Islamists make the Nazis looke like a benevolent brotherhood.

It's akin to folks saying, "If we can only stop Romney, and leave the current regime in place, it will be better for all of us".........

23 posted on 07/14/2012 4:13:50 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: Sir Napsalot

This is it! This is that dream I kept having as a boy! The one where I was hollering and nobody heard. At some point along the way I fell asleep and never woke up...


24 posted on 07/14/2012 4:24:32 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (A Dalmation was spotted wagging its tail.)
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To: ThunderSleeps

but that they plan unending warfare until they prevail or are wiped out?

Depends on which sect - Sunni or Shiite wins the internal argument.

Sunni’s want to rule the world, the ruling Iranian Shiites want to bring every living human to Paradise ... last two standing Shiites are obliged to bring eachother to Paradise ... naturally, the Iranians need nukes to bring this vision off ...


25 posted on 07/14/2012 4:25:41 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: Iron Munro
As soon as the last Christians are slaughtered in Egypt the NY Times will brag that the muslims have ended terrorism.

or

As soon as the last Pyramid (as recently called for by leading Islamic autority) is destroyed in Egypt, the NY Times will brag that the muslims have ended tourism ...

26 posted on 07/14/2012 4:29:46 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: Sir Napsalot

The NY Slimes also loved Joe Stalin and Soviet Communism. Pulitzers were given for stories about how Soviet Communism was a model for the world to follow. Even while mass murder happened under their noses.


27 posted on 07/14/2012 4:29:54 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

bumping the thread.


28 posted on 09/13/2012 12:13:05 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: nutmeg

bookmark


29 posted on 09/13/2012 12:15:09 AM PDT by nutmeg (I'm with Sarah Palin and Ted Cruz: "ABO"/Ryan 2012)
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